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venturalakersfan
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | Ariza is a shell of himself. Don't get caught up in the nostalgia of it. He can not shoot. I would rather keep KCP who is a better shooter and is starting to turn the corner. |
People said the same about Tyson. Ariza will be a role player. He was instrumental to the rockets (look at them now). Hard to play motivated onthat suns team. |
He was instrumental to the Rockets losing to the Warriors last playoffs.
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venturalakersfan
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| LKA wrote: | There seems to be a misconception among Laker fans that KCP is a good 3pt shooter .. if you never looked up his numbers you’d think he was a career 40% from deep the way fans talk about him
The reality is that hes slightly below 35% for his career and hes not a better shooter than Ariza, its actually pretty equal, slight edge to Trevor .. |
Ehh, that goes with the misconception that Ariza is a good 3 pt shooter, he is at 35%.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Lebron, Chandler, and maybe Ariza.....we should change our jersey sponsor to Centrum Silver. |
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LKA
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LKA wrote: | There seems to be a misconception among Laker fans that KCP is a good 3pt shooter .. if you never looked up his numbers you’d think he was a career 40% from deep the way fans talk about him
The reality is that hes slightly below 35% for his career and hes not a better shooter than Ariza, its actually pretty equal, slight edge to Trevor .. |
Ehh, that goes with the misconception that Ariza is a good 3 pt shooter, he is at 35%. |
So they are pretty much equal 3pt shooters ..Ariza is bigger and offers more versatility defensively to help contain bigger wing players that we struggle against (ex: DeRozan)
Then it makes sense to swap. |
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adkindo
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| LKA wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LKA wrote: | There seems to be a misconception among Laker fans that KCP is a good 3pt shooter .. if you never looked up his numbers you’d think he was a career 40% from deep the way fans talk about him
The reality is that hes slightly below 35% for his career and hes not a better shooter than Ariza, its actually pretty equal, slight edge to Trevor .. |
Ehh, that goes with the misconception that Ariza is a good 3 pt shooter, he is at 35%. |
So they are pretty much equal 3pt shooters ..Ariza is bigger and offers more versatility defensively to help contain bigger wing players that we struggle against (ex: DeRozan)
Then it makes sense to swap. |
not if you can package KCP in a deal later in the year for a legit star....this feels desperate.....and I have no idea why KCP or Rich Paul would agree to this unless PHX has promised a long term deal....but last time I checked, PHX does not need a SG. |
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LKA
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | | LKA wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LKA wrote: | There seems to be a misconception among Laker fans that KCP is a good 3pt shooter .. if you never looked up his numbers you’d think he was a career 40% from deep the way fans talk about him
The reality is that hes slightly below 35% for his career and hes not a better shooter than Ariza, its actually pretty equal, slight edge to Trevor .. |
Ehh, that goes with the misconception that Ariza is a good 3 pt shooter, he is at 35%. |
So they are pretty much equal 3pt shooters ..Ariza is bigger and offers more versatility defensively to help contain bigger wing players that we struggle against (ex: DeRozan)
Then it makes sense to swap. |
not if you can package KCP in a deal later in the year for a legit star....this feels desperate.....and I have no idea why KCP or Rich Paul would agree to this unless PHX has promised a long term deal....but last time I checked, PHX does not need a SG. |
Maybe Magic knows more than we do and is sticking to the summer plan. Idk. I dont think KCP goes to Phoenix if this trade happens |
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adkindo
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| LKA wrote: | | I dont think KCP goes to Phoenix if this trade happens |
maybe you are right about KCP....because I just can't make sense of why Rich Paul would send him to PHX knowing they would have no bird rights, and have a better SG locked up long term |
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I’m hoping for this 3 way deal. NO decides to blow it up. Phx gets rid of Ariza and gets a new pg.
Lakers
in: AD
out: Ball, BI, KCP, pick
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in: Ball, KCP
out: Ariza, Bender
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in: Ariza, Bender, BI, pick
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | Ariza is a shell of himself. Don't get caught up in the nostalgia of it. He can not shoot. I would rather keep KCP who is a better shooter and is starting to turn the corner. |
People said the same about Tyson. . |
And Tyson looks the same here as he did in PHX, he is just getting more minutes to produce.
Last season in 25 MPG he put up 6/9.
This season in 21 MPG putting up 3/10
Chandler didn't have any kind of resurgence here with us, he just got his minutes increased from 12MPG to 21MPG
Even in the 12 MPG in PHX he put up 3/7.
Increase it to 21 he now gives us 3/10.
He looks the same.
The only difference is he put on a Lakers jersey and got 9 additional MPG
Fans see it as a resurgence because that's what they want to see. In actuality, the same shell of himself they saw last year and this year would be doing the same right now that he's doing for us had PHX decided to keep him playing 21 MPG instead of developing their young players.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| l4kerz wrote: | I’m hoping for this 3 way deal. NO decides to blow it up. Phx gets rid of Ariza and gets a new pg.
Lakers
in: AD
out: Ball, BI, KCP, pick
Phx
in: Ball, KCP
out: Ariza, Bender
NO
in: Ariza, Bender, BI, pick
out: AD |
Bender is a bust. Terrible deal for NO. They are better off trading for BI, Ball, KCP and a pick straight up.
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| MJST wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | Ariza is a shell of himself. Don't get caught up in the nostalgia of it. He can not shoot. I would rather keep KCP who is a better shooter and is starting to turn the corner. |
People said the same about Tyson. . |
And Tyson looks the same here as he did in PHX, he is just getting more minutes to produce.
Last season in 25 MPG he put up 6/9.
This season in 21 MPG putting up 3/10
Chandler didn't have any kind of resurgence here with us, he just got his minutes increased from 12MPG to 21MPG
Even in the 12 MPG in PHX he put up 3/7.
Increase it to 21 he now gives us 3/10.
He looks the same.
The only difference is he put on a Lakers jersey and got 9 additional MPG
Fans see it as a resurgence because that's what they want to see. In actuality, the same shell of himself they saw last year and this year would be doing the same right now that he's doing for us had PHX decided to keep him playing 21 MPG instead of developing their young players. |
Exactly! |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | Ariza is a shell of himself. Don't get caught up in the nostalgia of it. He can not shoot. I would rather keep KCP who is a better shooter and is starting to turn the corner. |
People said the same about Tyson. . |
And Tyson looks the same here as he did in PHX, he is just getting more minutes to produce.
Last season in 25 MPG he put up 6/9.
This season in 21 MPG putting up 3/10
Chandler didn't have any kind of resurgence here with us, he just got his minutes increased from 12MPG to 21MPG
Even in the 12 MPG in PHX he put up 3/7.
Increase it to 21 he now gives us 3/10.
He looks the same.
The only difference is he put on a Lakers jersey and got 9 additional MPG
Fans see it as a resurgence because that's what they want to see. In actuality, the same shell of himself they saw last year and this year would be doing the same right now that he's doing for us had PHX decided to keep him playing 21 MPG instead of developing their young players. |
Impact defensively. |
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LKA
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Regardless if Tyson has looked the same or not hes made a huge impact on this team lol i dont understand that argument. |
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| it just feels like each move this FO makes, or is rumored to be considering "shrinks the window" which is what everyone feared about signing Lebron.....eventually he and Rich Paul would push all the young talent out for older role players that maybe make the Western Conference Finals. |
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LakerLogic
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| adkindo wrote: | | it just feels like each move this FO makes, or is rumored to be considering "shrinks the window" which is what everyone feared about signing Lebron.....eventually he and Rich Paul would push all the young talent out for older role players that maybe make the Western Conference Finals. |
Which young player is getting moved out? |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | Ariza is a shell of himself. Don't get caught up in the nostalgia of it. He can not shoot. I would rather keep KCP who is a better shooter and is starting to turn the corner. |
People said the same about Tyson. Ariza will be a role player. He was instrumental to the rockets (look at them now). Hard to play motivated onthat suns team. |
He was instrumental to the Rockets losing to the Warriors last playoffs. |
That
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | Ariza is a shell of himself. Don't get caught up in the nostalgia of it. He can not shoot. I would rather keep KCP who is a better shooter and is starting to turn the corner. |
People said the same about Tyson. Ariza will be a role player. He was instrumental to the rockets (look at them now). Hard to play motivated onthat suns team. |
He was instrumental to the Rockets losing to the Warriors last playoffs. |
And look at them now.
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| adkindo wrote: | | it just feels like each move this FO makes, or is rumored to be considering "shrinks the window" which is what everyone feared about signing Lebron.....eventually he and Rich Paul would push all the young talent out for older role players that maybe make the Western Conference Finals. |
They only have a "window" because they signed Lebron. They would be lotto bound again without him.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | it just feels like each move this FO makes, or is rumored to be considering "shrinks the window" which is what everyone feared about signing Lebron.....eventually he and Rich Paul would push all the young talent out for older role players that maybe make the Western Conference Finals. |
Which young player is getting moved out? |
DLo
Randle
Clarkson
Nance
KCP is young compared to Ariza. If Rich Paul is open to moving KCP, then I am saving him for a potential deal for a star. I like Ariza....he would fit in nice on a Lebron and AD team....or Lebron and KD team....but Ariza is probably a 5th starter on a contender at best right now.....and I think KCP is definitely more of an offensive spark that plays well with Lebron, that we actually would have early bird rights on....just do not see the point, except to get older. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | it just feels like each move this FO makes, or is rumored to be considering "shrinks the window" which is what everyone feared about signing Lebron.....eventually he and Rich Paul would push all the young talent out for older role players that maybe make the Western Conference Finals. |
KCP isn’t part of the young core. 
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Chad09 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | Ariza is a shell of himself. Don't get caught up in the nostalgia of it. He can not shoot. I would rather keep KCP who is a better shooter and is starting to turn the corner. |
People said the same about Tyson. Ariza will be a role player. He was instrumental to the rockets (look at them now). Hard to play motivated onthat suns team. |
He was instrumental to the Rockets losing to the Warriors last playoffs. |
That
would
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CP3
going
down. |
I think that was a lot of things....they just kind of caught lightning in a bottle last season. |
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Clarkson- Below average
Nance- below average
Randle- his agent didn't wanted him to be here
Dlo- his own team didn't sign him to extension
But ya sure let's pretend like we lost a Booker/Murray or something like that and keep complaining |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | it just feels like each move this FO makes, or is rumored to be considering "shrinks the window" which is what everyone feared about signing Lebron.....eventually he and Rich Paul would push all the young talent out for older role players that maybe make the Western Conference Finals. |
KCP isn’t part of the young core. |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Clarkson- Below average |
right, he scores more off the bench than all but 2 of out starters in 25 minutes a night...but he is terrible. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | it just feels like each move this FO makes, or is rumored to be considering "shrinks the window" which is what everyone feared about signing Lebron.....eventually he and Rich Paul would push all the young talent out for older role players that maybe make the Western Conference Finals. |
Which young player is getting moved out? |
DLo
Randle
Clarkson
Nance
KCP is young compared to Ariza. If Rich Paul is open to moving KCP, then I am saving him for a potential deal for a star. I like Ariza....he would fit in nice on a Lebron and AD team....or Lebron and KD team....but Ariza is probably a 5th starter on a contender at best right now.....and I think KCP is definitely more of an offensive spark that plays well with Lebron, that we actually would have early bird rights on....just do not see the point, except to get older. |
Except we have to renounce KCP in the offseason to reach the 38 million in cap space we plan to use on (insert name of mega-star here). If we resign KCP this summer it'll be a symptom of utter failure in free agency and we'd be doing it with cap space not early bird rights anyway. |
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