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Baron Von Humongous
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | bluehill wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Biggest difference in skillset is that Giannis can run the offense and set others up as the primary ball handler. AD is the better shooter. I would take Giannis because I think the edge he has in ball handling/playmaking is more important than the shooting edge AD has. |
Seems like his shot is good enough or could be tweaked to my non-expert eyes. Also, he seems like a competitor and focused on getting better, so it wouldn't surprise me if his range and percentage improve over the next couple of years. |
I agree. Giannis can still get his shooting to average level which would make him completely unstoppable. Biggest area he needs to add is a pull up mid range J.
What I am curious to see is if AD's playmaking improves more. He is coming off by far his best assist % season |
I support point-AD. Let him run the offense when Lebron rests.
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | bluehill wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Biggest difference in skillset is that Giannis can run the offense and set others up as the primary ball handler. AD is the better shooter. I would take Giannis because I think the edge he has in ball handling/playmaking is more important than the shooting edge AD has. |
Seems like his shot is good enough or could be tweaked to my non-expert eyes. Also, he seems like a competitor and focused on getting better, so it wouldn't surprise me if his range and percentage improve over the next couple of years. |
I agree. Giannis can still get his shooting to average level which would make him completely unstoppable. Biggest area he needs to add is a pull up mid range J.
What I am curious to see is if AD's playmaking improves more. He is coming off by far his best assist % season |
Assist isn’t always a measurement of your ability to pass. If someone was to measure Lonzo by this past seasons stats you’d think he was average as ball handler.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Amazing how PG13 could have been on this team. We'd have 3 top 10 players... |
Still can't believe PG13 turned down LeBron in LA to go play with his bff in OKC on a team that can't advance past the first round.  |
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The God Particle
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| Car54 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | bluehill wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Biggest difference in skillset is that Giannis can run the offense and set others up as the primary ball handler. AD is the better shooter. I would take Giannis because I think the edge he has in ball handling/playmaking is more important than the shooting edge AD has. |
Seems like his shot is good enough or could be tweaked to my non-expert eyes. Also, he seems like a competitor and focused on getting better, so it wouldn't surprise me if his range and percentage improve over the next couple of years. |
I agree. Giannis can still get his shooting to average level which would make him completely unstoppable. Biggest area he needs to add is a pull up mid range J.
What I am curious to see is if AD's playmaking improves more. He is coming off by far his best assist % season |
Assist isn’t always a measurement of your ability to pass. If someone was to measure Lonzo by this past seasons stats you’d think he was average as ball handler. |
For a PG Lonzo is actually a below average ball handler.
He's a very good passer despite his below average handle. |
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The God Particle
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Giannis is a 6'11" Power Point Guard.
AD is a 6'11" Power Small Forward.
Give me the Power Point Guard skillset all day, err'day. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Amazing how PG13 could have been on this team. We'd have 3 top 10 players... |
Very true. BUT we have 2 of the top 10 players (no matter where they rank) in
the league that are Lakers and there is still whining; incredible LOL.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| deal wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Amazing how PG13 could have been on this team. We'd have 3 top 10 players... |
Very true. BUT we have 2 of the top 10 players (no matter where they rank) in
the league that are Lakers and there is still whining; incredible LOL. |
any duo better than LBJ-AD out there?
Steph-Klay?
Harden-CP3?
Kawhi-Lowry?
Embiid-Jimmy?
Lillard-McCollum?
Jokic-Murray?
none, maybe last yr's Steph-KD |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | bluehill wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Biggest difference in skillset is that Giannis can run the offense and set others up as the primary ball handler. AD is the better shooter. I would take Giannis because I think the edge he has in ball handling/playmaking is more important than the shooting edge AD has. |
Seems like his shot is good enough or could be tweaked to my non-expert eyes. Also, he seems like a competitor and focused on getting better, so it wouldn't surprise me if his range and percentage improve over the next couple of years. |
I agree. Giannis can still get his shooting to average level which would make him completely unstoppable. Biggest area he needs to add is a pull up mid range J.
What I am curious to see is if AD's playmaking improves more. He is coming off by far his best assist % season |
I support point-AD. Let him run the offense when Lebron rests. |
No, his handles aren't good, he gets stripped of the ball often.
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Baron Von Humongous
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | bluehill wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Biggest difference in skillset is that Giannis can run the offense and set others up as the primary ball handler. AD is the better shooter. I would take Giannis because I think the edge he has in ball handling/playmaking is more important than the shooting edge AD has. |
Seems like his shot is good enough or could be tweaked to my non-expert eyes. Also, he seems like a competitor and focused on getting better, so it wouldn't surprise me if his range and percentage improve over the next couple of years. |
I agree. Giannis can still get his shooting to average level which would make him completely unstoppable. Biggest area he needs to add is a pull up mid range J.
What I am curious to see is if AD's playmaking improves more. He is coming off by far his best assist % season |
I support point-AD. Let him run the offense when Lebron rests. |
No, his handles aren't good, he gets stripped of the ball often. |
What better way to learn than through failure, vlf?
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | bluehill wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Biggest difference in skillset is that Giannis can run the offense and set others up as the primary ball handler. AD is the better shooter. I would take Giannis because I think the edge he has in ball handling/playmaking is more important than the shooting edge AD has. |
Seems like his shot is good enough or could be tweaked to my non-expert eyes. Also, he seems like a competitor and focused on getting better, so it wouldn't surprise me if his range and percentage improve over the next couple of years. |
I agree. Giannis can still get his shooting to average level which would make him completely unstoppable. Biggest area he needs to add is a pull up mid range J.
What I am curious to see is if AD's playmaking improves more. He is coming off by far his best assist % season |
I support point-AD. Let him run the offense when Lebron rests. |
No, his handles aren't good, he gets stripped of the ball often. |
What better way to learn than through failure, vlf? |
That is true.
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| If AD continues to improve his play-making (he did last year), he will be the best player in the league. |
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| alleyoop wrote: | I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George |
Lebron is still the best basketball player on the planet and it's not even close...he's the only one on that list that looks "non-human" when he switches to "God mode"...
Giannis is awesome and i hope that one day he comes to LA, but right now i still think that AD is better all-around basketball player... |
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I always thought it odd to compare wings vs bigs
Wait, is Giannis a big? |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| The God Particle wrote: | Giannis is a 6'11" Power Point Guard.
AD is a 6'11" Power Small Forward.
Give me the Power Point Guard skillset all day, err'day. |
Pretty sure AD has better handles,
ad has a much better post game, so there is no way Kawhi can cover him |
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LeBrow playing with LeBron should post even higher stats than his previous years!
Which might just allow him to win POY over LeGreek next season...!
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| The God Particle wrote: | Giannis is a 6'11" Power Point Guard.
AD is a 6'11" Power Small Forward.
Give me the Power Point Guard skillset all day, err'day. |
FYI, AD was a Guard in High School before he had that growth spurt.
| Quote: | | To understand what makes Davis so good, it's helpful to know this bit of trivia — Davis grew from 6'2" to 6'10" between his sophomore and senior years in high school. He went from a lightly-recruited guard who had one scholarship offer (from Cleveland State) to the best high school player in the country. link |
>>>>AD HighSchool MixTape <<<<< |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| LakerLand247 wrote: | | The God Particle wrote: | Giannis is a 6'11" Power Point Guard.
AD is a 6'11" Power Small Forward.
Give me the Power Point Guard skillset all day, err'day. |
FYI, AD was a Guard in High School before he had that growth spurt.
| Quote: | | To understand what makes Davis so good, it's helpful to know this bit of trivia — Davis grew from 6'2" to 6'10" between his sophomore and senior years in high school. He went from a lightly-recruited guard who had one scholarship offer (from Cleveland State) to the best high school player in the country. link |
>>>>AD HighSchool MixTape <<<<< |
Sounds like his guard skills weren't too hot before his growth spurt.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| xэloЯRolex wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George |
Lebron is still the best basketball player on the planet and it's not even close...he's the only one on that list that looks "non-human" when he switches to "God mode"...
Giannis is awesome and i hope that one day he comes to LA, but right now i still think that AD is better all-around basketball player... |
All around skills does not necessarily equate to a better basketball player or at least impact on the court. If you do a few things at a very elite level, you could be a better player. See: Shaq
Other than KL and playing against a team playing elite level defense in the biggest stage, Giannis was unstoppable. I see him adjusting and fixing those things in the next couple of years. It would have helped if some of his teammates hit more open shots. Looking at you Bledsoe. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: |
Sounds like his guard skills weren't too hot before his growth spurt. |
Mediocre high school guard + growth spurt to 6'10" = NBA franchise player. It would be crazy if this happened again sometime.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | LakerLand247 wrote: | | The God Particle wrote: | Giannis is a 6'11" Power Point Guard.
AD is a 6'11" Power Small Forward.
Give me the Power Point Guard skillset all day, err'day. |
FYI, AD was a Guard in High School before he had that growth spurt.
| Quote: | | To understand what makes Davis so good, it's helpful to know this bit of trivia — Davis grew from 6'2" to 6'10" between his sophomore and senior years in high school. He went from a lightly-recruited guard who had one scholarship offer (from Cleveland State) to the best high school player in the country. link |
>>>>AD HighSchool MixTape <<<<< |
Sounds like his guard skills weren't too hot before his growth spurt. |
Ad grew like a foot in high school....
#luckygenes# |
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The God Particle
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | The God Particle wrote: | Giannis is a 6'11" Power Point Guard.
AD is a 6'11" Power Small Forward.
Give me the Power Point Guard skillset all day, err'day. |
Pretty sure AD has better handles,
ad has a much better post game, so there is no way Kawhi can cover him |
Are you out of your mind? AD has better handle than Giannis?
That's a complete non-starter in any discussion. |
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The God Particle
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLand247 wrote: | | The God Particle wrote: | Giannis is a 6'11" Power Point Guard.
AD is a 6'11" Power Small Forward.
Give me the Power Point Guard skillset all day, err'day. |
FYI, AD was a Guard in High School before he had that growth spurt.
| Quote: | | To understand what makes Davis so good, it's helpful to know this bit of trivia — Davis grew from 6'2" to 6'10" between his sophomore and senior years in high school. He went from a lightly-recruited guard who had one scholarship offer (from Cleveland State) to the best high school player in the country. link |
>>>>AD HighSchool MixTape <<<<< |
What makes AD such a great player is his small(er)-ball skills at his size. He has elite level on ball skills for a player his size. He has the on ball skills of a small forward (and sometimes guard like skills) at 6'11". It's what makes him great.
Giannis has the on ball skills of a point guard. Literally. Giannis was able to keep his point guard skills, and can literally still play PG if called upon (initiate offense, collapse defenses and dish, always rebound and go). Although AD can do many of those things, he can't do them full time because his on-ball skills aren't as good as GA.
I'll say it again, Giannis is literally a 6-11 Power Point Guard. AD is a 6-11 Power Small Forward/Guard. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| xэloЯRolex wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George |
Lebron is still the best basketball player on the planet and it's not even close...he's the only one on that list that looks "non-human" when he switches to "God mode"...
Giannis is awesome and i hope that one day he comes to LA, but right now i still think that AD is better all-around basketball player... |
Guys who play 60 games in a season aren’t the best player.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | xэloЯRolex wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George |
Lebron is still the best basketball player on the planet and it's not even close...he's the only one on that list that looks "non-human" when he switches to "God mode"...
Giannis is awesome and i hope that one day he comes to LA, but right now i still think that AD is better all-around basketball player... |
Guys who play 60 games in a season aren’t the best player. |
You salty he left your team. FYI Kawhi avg around 60 games per season
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Giannis vs. AD |
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| methdxman wrote: | | After seeing Giannis win the MVP... for the real hoop junkies out there, how do their games compare on both ends of the floor + intangibles? To be honest, living overseas, I can really only have time to focus on the Lakers so I haven't seen either of them really play all that much. Who's better at what aspects of the game? Did we get a potential MVP candidate in AD or is he already lagging behind a guy like Giannis? |
Not even close.
Giannis is a PF sized wing.
AD is a PF sized PF.
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