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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:26 pm    Post subject:

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California defies NCAA as Gov. Gavin Newsom signs into law Fair Pay to Play Act

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One of the current core tenets of the NCAA's identity and business model will be illegal in the state of California starting in 2023.

Gov. Gavin Newsom has signed into law the Fair Pay to Play Act, which says colleges in California cannot punish their athletes for collecting endorsement money.


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Politicians in Florida, New York, Washington state, Colorado, Maryland, North Carolina and South Carolina have publicly supported the idea of creating similar laws in their states.


Looks like the NCAA has a problem on their hands.
I read they are going to argue that is unconstitutional in that California can't regulate interstate commerce.


nothing to worry about in Florida, North Carolina and South Carolina. There is little support for those bills....just some politicians trying to get attention. Not sure about New York, Colorado, Washington or Maryland.


There will also be little interest from kids wanting to go school there.
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California defies NCAA as Gov. Gavin Newsom signs into law Fair Pay to Play Act

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One of the current core tenets of the NCAA's identity and business model will be illegal in the state of California starting in 2023.

Gov. Gavin Newsom has signed into law the Fair Pay to Play Act, which says colleges in California cannot punish their athletes for collecting endorsement money.


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Politicians in Florida, New York, Washington state, Colorado, Maryland, North Carolina and South Carolina have publicly supported the idea of creating similar laws in their states.


Looks like the NCAA has a problem on their hands.
I read they are going to argue that is unconstitutional in that California can't regulate interstate commerce.


nothing to worry about in Florida, North Carolina and South Carolina. There is little support for those bills....just some politicians trying to get attention. Not sure about New York, Colorado, Washington or Maryland.


There will also be little interest from kids wanting to go school there.


Yep.
And California started the ball rolling. There is no going back now.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/27751454/congressman-propose-federal-legislation-paying-college-athletes
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:37 pm    Post subject:

Here's an interesting thread question regarding the Fair Pay to Play act.

https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/1180130292100685824

Thinking about Nebraska Football, imagine someone like Tommie Frazier who never really had a chance at the NFL, being able to stay in college 7-10 years. Or a basketball player that isn't good enough for the NBA staying at school for years instead of maybe playing in Europe.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:46 pm    Post subject:

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Here's an interesting thread question regarding the Fair Pay to Play act.

https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/1180130292100685824

Thinking about Nebraska Football, imagine someone like Tommie Frazier who never really had a chance at the NFL, being able to stay in college 7-10 years. Or a basketball player that isn't good enough for the NBA staying at school for years instead of maybe playing in Europe.


Why not? As long as he's meeting the requirements for his/her degree....theres people that stay in college for a decade to get their bachelors, masters and then PHD.
Right now Jalen Hurts is attending the University of Oklahoma playing as the starting QB while he is getting his masters degree. This was after he transferred from Alabama after doing his undergraduate degree.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:51 pm    Post subject:

Huskers wrote:
Here's an interesting thread question regarding the Fair Pay to Play act.

https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/1180130292100685824

Thinking about Nebraska Football, imagine someone like Tommie Frazier who never really had a chance at the NFL, being able to stay in college 7-10 years. Or a basketball player that isn't good enough for the NBA staying at school for years instead of maybe playing in Europe.


it could be possible...seems like most of the well thought out theories of subsequent events if something is implemented to compensate players is the NCAA would likely disband. At that point in theory, all eligibility rules are void. Maybe Tebow could return to the Gators.

Once the NCAA disbands, most of the non-revenue sports begin a path to elimination and within 2 years the trial lawyers will have overwhelmed the courts with Title IX and race related discrimination cases.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:51 pm    Post subject:

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Huskers wrote:
Here's an interesting thread question regarding the Fair Pay to Play act.

https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/1180130292100685824

Thinking about Nebraska Football, imagine someone like Tommie Frazier who never really had a chance at the NFL, being able to stay in college 7-10 years. Or a basketball player that isn't good enough for the NBA staying at school for years instead of maybe playing in Europe.


Why not? As long as he's meeting the requirements for his/her degree....theres people that stay in college for a decade to get their bachelors, masters and then PHD.
Right now Jalen Hurts is attending the University of Oklahoma playing as the starting QB while he is getting his masters degree. This was after he transferred from Alabama after doing his undergraduate degree.


Yes, but he's still limited to the 5 year clock. Imagine him being able to stay there another 4-5 years and get multiple degrees.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:55 pm    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
Huskers wrote:
Here's an interesting thread question regarding the Fair Pay to Play act.

https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/1180130292100685824

Thinking about Nebraska Football, imagine someone like Tommie Frazier who never really had a chance at the NFL, being able to stay in college 7-10 years. Or a basketball player that isn't good enough for the NBA staying at school for years instead of maybe playing in Europe.


Why not? As long as he's meeting the requirements for his/her degree....theres people that stay in college for a decade to get their bachelors, masters and then PHD.
Right now Jalen Hurts is attending the University of Oklahoma playing as the starting QB while he is getting his masters degree. This was after he transferred from Alabama after doing his undergraduate degree.


Not sure what is significant about Jalen. He is still operating on the standard 4 years of play within 5 year window afforded to every player....and a lot of players exit after 5 years with their Graduate Degree.

Why not? Because the entire structure is to force student athletes out so others have an opportunity.
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Huskers wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Huskers wrote:
Here's an interesting thread question regarding the Fair Pay to Play act.

https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/1180130292100685824

Thinking about Nebraska Football, imagine someone like Tommie Frazier who never really had a chance at the NFL, being able to stay in college 7-10 years. Or a basketball player that isn't good enough for the NBA staying at school for years instead of maybe playing in Europe.


Why not? As long as he's meeting the requirements for his/her degree....theres people that stay in college for a decade to get their bachelors, masters and then PHD.
Right now Jalen Hurts is attending the University of Oklahoma playing as the starting QB while he is getting his masters degree. This was after he transferred from Alabama after doing his undergraduate degree.


Yes, but he's still limited to the 5 year clock. Imagine him being able to stay there another 4-5 years and get multiple degrees.


Thats just sheer madness....a well educated student athlete with the potential to earn multiple degrees...the horror!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:01 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Huskers wrote:
Here's an interesting thread question regarding the Fair Pay to Play act.

https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/1180130292100685824

Thinking about Nebraska Football, imagine someone like Tommie Frazier who never really had a chance at the NFL, being able to stay in college 7-10 years. Or a basketball player that isn't good enough for the NBA staying at school for years instead of maybe playing in Europe.


Why not? As long as he's meeting the requirements for his/her degree....theres people that stay in college for a decade to get their bachelors, masters and then PHD.
Right now Jalen Hurts is attending the University of Oklahoma playing as the starting QB while he is getting his masters degree. This was after he transferred from Alabama after doing his undergraduate degree.


Not sure what is significant about Jalen. He is still operating on the standard 4 years of play within 5 year window afforded to every player....and a lot of players exit after 5 years with their Graduate Degree.

Why not? Because the entire structure is to force student athletes out so others have an opportunity.


That's the entire point of the twitter thread, if you are going to change one fundamental pillar of college athletics what's to stop athletes, especially athletes that won't be in the NFL or NBA, to say we want more than 5 years? Some students are in school 10+ years getting multiple degrees, why couldn't a VB do that, and get paid endorsements? What if those paid endorsements are more lucrative than a career outside of college sports? Why should the athlete be forced to quit playing if they are still attending classes and working toward a degree? Heck, what if Hurts says, I like college, I get paid well in endorsements, I don't have as long of a season. I want to play for Oklahoma for the next 10 years.


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Huskers wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Huskers wrote:
Here's an interesting thread question regarding the Fair Pay to Play act.

https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/1180130292100685824

Thinking about Nebraska Football, imagine someone like Tommie Frazier who never really had a chance at the NFL, being able to stay in college 7-10 years. Or a basketball player that isn't good enough for the NBA staying at school for years instead of maybe playing in Europe.


Why not? As long as he's meeting the requirements for his/her degree....theres people that stay in college for a decade to get their bachelors, masters and then PHD.
Right now Jalen Hurts is attending the University of Oklahoma playing as the starting QB while he is getting his masters degree. This was after he transferred from Alabama after doing his undergraduate degree.


Yes, but he's still limited to the 5 year clock. Imagine him being able to stay there another 4-5 years and get multiple degrees.


Thats just sheer madness....a well educated student athlete with the potential to earn multiple degrees...the horror!


cool, why stop there....lets go full Al Bundy and let kids continue to play for their high school as long as they want....
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:04 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Huskers wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Huskers wrote:
Here's an interesting thread question regarding the Fair Pay to Play act.

https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/1180130292100685824

Thinking about Nebraska Football, imagine someone like Tommie Frazier who never really had a chance at the NFL, being able to stay in college 7-10 years. Or a basketball player that isn't good enough for the NBA staying at school for years instead of maybe playing in Europe.


Why not? As long as he's meeting the requirements for his/her degree....theres people that stay in college for a decade to get their bachelors, masters and then PHD.
Right now Jalen Hurts is attending the University of Oklahoma playing as the starting QB while he is getting his masters degree. This was after he transferred from Alabama after doing his undergraduate degree.


Yes, but he's still limited to the 5 year clock. Imagine him being able to stay there another 4-5 years and get multiple degrees.


Thats just sheer madness....a well educated student athlete with the potential to earn multiple degrees...the horror!


cool, why stop there....lets go full Al Bundy and let kids continue to play for their high school as long as they want....


Difference is once you get your HS diploma you are done. You can't get multiple HS diplomas. You can get multiple college degrees.
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Huskers wrote:
adkindo wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Huskers wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Huskers wrote:
Here's an interesting thread question regarding the Fair Pay to Play act.

https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/1180130292100685824

Thinking about Nebraska Football, imagine someone like Tommie Frazier who never really had a chance at the NFL, being able to stay in college 7-10 years. Or a basketball player that isn't good enough for the NBA staying at school for years instead of maybe playing in Europe.


Why not? As long as he's meeting the requirements for his/her degree....theres people that stay in college for a decade to get their bachelors, masters and then PHD.
Right now Jalen Hurts is attending the University of Oklahoma playing as the starting QB while he is getting his masters degree. This was after he transferred from Alabama after doing his undergraduate degree.


Yes, but he's still limited to the 5 year clock. Imagine him being able to stay there another 4-5 years and get multiple degrees.


Thats just sheer madness....a well educated student athlete with the potential to earn multiple degrees...the horror!


cool, why stop there....lets go full Al Bundy and let kids continue to play for their high school as long as they want....


Difference is once you get your HS diploma you are done. You can't get multiple HS diplomas. You can get multiple college degrees.


Are you saying you are in favor of a guy playing college football for a decade? There is a real trickle down that would negatively impact others.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:12 pm    Post subject:

Huskers wrote:
adkindo wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Huskers wrote:
Here's an interesting thread question regarding the Fair Pay to Play act.

https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/1180130292100685824

Thinking about Nebraska Football, imagine someone like Tommie Frazier who never really had a chance at the NFL, being able to stay in college 7-10 years. Or a basketball player that isn't good enough for the NBA staying at school for years instead of maybe playing in Europe.


Why not? As long as he's meeting the requirements for his/her degree....theres people that stay in college for a decade to get their bachelors, masters and then PHD.
Right now Jalen Hurts is attending the University of Oklahoma playing as the starting QB while he is getting his masters degree. This was after he transferred from Alabama after doing his undergraduate degree.


Not sure what is significant about Jalen. He is still operating on the standard 4 years of play within 5 year window afforded to every player....and a lot of players exit after 5 years with their Graduate Degree.

Why not? Because the entire structure is to force student athletes out so others have an opportunity.


That's the entire point of the twitter thread, if you are going to change one fundamental pillar of college athletics what's to stop athletes, especially athletes that won't be in the NFL or NBA, to say we want more than 5 years? Some students are in school 10+ years getting multiple degrees, why couldn't a VB do that, and get paid endorsements? What if those paid endorsements are more lucrative than a career outside of college sports? Why should the athlete be forced to quit playing if they are still attending classes and working toward a degree? Heck, what if Hurts says, I like college, I get paid well in endorsements, I don't have as long of a season. I want to play for Oklahoma for the next 10 years.


Not a problem, football players have a limited shelf life. Most football players end up with a career ending injury sooner than later. He may want to play for 10 years, but chances are he probably won't and will be replaced by somebody much younger and a lot less miles.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:23 pm    Post subject:

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Are you saying you are in favor of a guy playing college football for a decade? There is a real trickle down that would negatively impact others.


Using local schools as a comparison, with limited scholarships available to schools, it would make more competitive teams, in a lot of sports. Look at basketball. A lot of great talent that won't ever make the NBA staying and playing 8-9 years at a school would be interesting. I could actually see this being a benefit to some smaller schools. Basketball player wants to go to Nebraska, they have an 8 man rotation of of non-NBA talent that is making good money on endorsements, so they don't have any playing time available, player goes to Creighton, they don't have playing time either, he's now at University of Nebraska - Omaha, making decent money on endorsements and now UNO is getting better players than they would have before, could be a win for everyone. There's always the players that leave and go pro, but for the rest? If endorsements are paying more than what desk job would, why would they want to leave? Why should they be forced to leave? If it's because college sports are different, than isn't that the same reason they shouldn't be paid to start with?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:42 pm    Post subject:

Lost in all of this is how this improves the ability for college athletes to get an education.

Do we even care?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:56 am    Post subject:

Coach K on board.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/27799103/duke-coach-mike-krzyzewski-backs-california-fair-pay-play-law
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:55 pm    Post subject:

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Lost in all of this is how this improves the ability for college athletes to get an education.

Do we even care?


Not really. The image rights stuff is about 98% for a small number of blue chip players at the elite programs in the Power 5 conferences. Some member of the swim team at Kansas State might make a couple bucks off of it, but this is mostly about the small number of guys who are going to be first round draft picks in a pro league. Those guys don't really care about an education, as evidenced by the fact that they declare for the pro draft as soon as they can.
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Coach K on board.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/27799103/duke-coach-mike-krzyzewski-backs-california-fair-pay-play-law


the hilarious part of this is probably every single day for weeks major coaches have came out against this from Saban to Dabo to Mike Leech....and even many P5 basketball coaches....ESPN does not report. Coach K makes a statement and ESPN reports it as everyone is on board.

I thought Mark Few had some guts today when he said he was not against it, but called it for what it is in regards to Newsom.....

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"He should probably stay in his lane — like I tell my players — and figure out homelessness and I think he's got a state that borders Mexico and get that mess figured out, and the budget and some things like that..."


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Few also took exception with a story he claims to have seen where a sponsor of the bill said schools made "billions of dollars," and said reports like that are not in line with reality. He said that athlete support has come a long way and that athletes "don't want for anything."


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"Yeah. I would have been all for it and I am all for it, but I'm not all for grandstanding politicians entering in or media members pulling low-hanging fruit off."


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:48 pm    Post subject:

Because college coaches believing in the status quo is not a thing. We are led to believe they want to preserve the existing system, which benefits them. Now if they want to reform the system we have right now that is news.
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Lost in all of this is how this improves the ability for college athletes to get an education.

Do we even care?


No, the Governor is only looking at increasing the tax base.
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Changing the rules would be especially beneficial for women and athletes in sports that lack professional leagues.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:20 am    Post subject:

As long as we still have the ACC, Big East, Big 10.
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Changing the rules would be especially beneficial for women and athletes in sports that lack professional leagues.


What she says in the video is a lot more accurate than that headline. I'm not sure that much of anyone makes money off of women's college gymnastics. Heck, I doubt that one person out of a thousand could identify Katelyn Ohashi as an athlete, no matter how many views she got on YouTube. However, if there was a window of time when she could have made some money from her likeness, she should have had the opportunity.
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The NCAA tries to decide what to do next.
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