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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:45 am    Post subject:

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Clips are good but the bucks are huge and Giannis is better than Kawhi or Palmdale, how did Kawhi shut him down couple months ago?


its a team effort not just Kawhi. He has 3 lengthy big men alternating in the paing Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam which Clippers doesn't have. And he also has Danny Green who is a good help defender.



Well, we do have 3 lengthy big men JaVale-AD-Dwight , we also do have Danny Green and oh, that guy Bron




Yup, add to that also if Cousins can play in the playoffs. That will be 4 lengthy Centers alternating.


Good video. And it shows the Lakers can use a similar strategy against Giannis. And Bledso still struggles with the 3 ball.

However Giannis his added a 3 point shot so that could complicate things. And they have Krover so they filled in some of those outside shooting gaps.

On the positive side the Lakers have AD who can rotate to the 3 point shooters who is more effective than Skiham at this.

Plus Dwight and McGee are more effective than Gasol at rim protection.


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Clips are good but the bucks are huge and Giannis is better than Kawhi or Palmdale, how did Kawhi shut him down couple months ago?


its a team effort not just Kawhi. He has 3 lengthy big men alternating in the paing Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam which Clippers doesn't have. And he also has Danny Green who is a good help defender.



17-5 without KL last year. 15-6 this year... Raptors were a perfect squad for him.
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The Bucks' second unit stopped Lou Williams. It doesn't matter what the Clippers' starting lineup does. The Bucks Brook Lopez went 2-12 in a blowout win.

Neither KL or PG13 are the type of players who can score enough to win games, especially in a series. They are more like Tim Duncan, who needs a lot of scoring support; they are not Kobe, MJ or even Iverson. Let Leonard and George (try to) get theirs. Just control the rotations so you have a very good defense unit (maybe your top defensive unit) whenever Lou Williams is in the game.


This is actually a good game plan. Add to that that most of PG and KL's shots are low % shots. They seldomly drive to the hoop.


Exactly. 3 streaky jump shooters and an undersized big. That's not championship DNA.


You just described the Warriors.


The Clippers aren't the Warriors


Sure they are

Leonard = Durant
George = Klay
Lou = Curry
Harrell = Green

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Clips are good but the bucks are huge and Giannis is better than Kawhi or Palmdale, how did Kawhi shut him down couple months ago?


its a team effort not just Kawhi. He has 3 lengthy big men alternating in the paing Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam which Clippers doesn't have. And he also has Danny Green who is a good help defender.



Really interesting watch, thanks

The "Kawhi stopped Giannis" takes really need to stop
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Clips are good but the bucks are huge and Giannis is better than Kawhi or Palmdale, how did Kawhi shut him down couple months ago?


its a team effort not just Kawhi. He has 3 lengthy big men alternating in the paing Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam which Clippers doesn't have. And he also has Danny Green who is a good help defender.



Really interesting watch, thanks

The "Kawhi stopped Giannis" takes really need to stop


Great vid. Toronto is very well-coached.
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The Bucks' second unit stopped Lou Williams. It doesn't matter what the Clippers' starting lineup does. The Bucks Brook Lopez went 2-12 in a blowout win.

Neither KL or PG13 are the type of players who can score enough to win games, especially in a series. They are more like Tim Duncan, who needs a lot of scoring support; they are not Kobe, MJ or even Iverson. Let Leonard and George (try to) get theirs. Just control the rotations so you have a very good defense unit (maybe your top defensive unit) whenever Lou Williams is in the game.


This is actually a good game plan. Add to that that most of PG and KL's shots are low % shots. They seldomly drive to the hoop.


Exactly. 3 streaky jump shooters and an undersized big. That's not championship DNA.


You just described the Warriors.


Not sure if you're serious. Steph, Klay and KD are easily 3 of the best 5 shooters of all time. Klay's worst year from 3 is on par with PG's second best. Draymond at his best is essentially a 7 footer with elite rim protection and perimeter defense. Harrell is ineffective against legitimate size. Comparing the Clippers to the Warriors is misguided.


And naturally no one compared them other than those who failed to comprehend what was posted. Pre-KD the Warriors were 3 jump shooters and an undersized big man who won the title. Saying that team construct can’t win a championship was disproven recently. And Green was much closer to 6-6 than 7 foot.
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leking006 wrote:
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The Bucks' second unit stopped Lou Williams. It doesn't matter what the Clippers' starting lineup does. The Bucks Brook Lopez went 2-12 in a blowout win.

Neither KL or PG13 are the type of players who can score enough to win games, especially in a series. They are more like Tim Duncan, who needs a lot of scoring support; they are not Kobe, MJ or even Iverson. Let Leonard and George (try to) get theirs. Just control the rotations so you have a very good defense unit (maybe your top defensive unit) whenever Lou Williams is in the game.


This is actually a good game plan. Add to that that most of PG and KL's shots are low % shots. They seldomly drive to the hoop.


Exactly. 3 streaky jump shooters and an undersized big. That's not championship DNA.


You just described the Warriors.


Not sure if you're serious. Steph, Klay and KD are easily 3 of the best 5 shooters of all time. Klay's worst year from 3 is on par with PG's second best. Draymond at his best is essentially a 7 footer with elite rim protection and perimeter defense. Harrell is ineffective against legitimate size. Comparing the Clippers to the Warriors is misguided.


And naturally no one compared them other than those who failed to comprehend what was posted. Pre-KD the Warriors were 3 jump shooters and an undersized big man who won the title. Saying that team construct can’t win a championship was disproven recently. And Green was much closer to 6-6 than 7 foot.


The Draymond Green part of that equation is so hard to replicate and yet so many teams have tried. Draymond pretty much sacrificed his body for that team, he's hit the obvious decline now which is what happens when a 6-7 dude bangs with centers for years. Good that he got that payday, he deserved it.
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leking006 wrote:
Yue_Fei wrote:
The Bucks' second unit stopped Lou Williams. It doesn't matter what the Clippers' starting lineup does. The Bucks Brook Lopez went 2-12 in a blowout win.

Neither KL or PG13 are the type of players who can score enough to win games, especially in a series. They are more like Tim Duncan, who needs a lot of scoring support; they are not Kobe, MJ or even Iverson. Let Leonard and George (try to) get theirs. Just control the rotations so you have a very good defense unit (maybe your top defensive unit) whenever Lou Williams is in the game.


This is actually a good game plan. Add to that that most of PG and KL's shots are low % shots. They seldomly drive to the hoop.


Exactly. 3 streaky jump shooters and an undersized big. That's not championship DNA.


You just described the Warriors.


Not sure if you're serious. Steph, Klay and KD are easily 3 of the best 5 shooters of all time. Klay's worst year from 3 is on par with PG's second best. Draymond at his best is essentially a 7 footer with elite rim protection and perimeter defense. Harrell is ineffective against legitimate size. Comparing the Clippers to the Warriors is misguided.


And naturally no one compared them other than those who failed to comprehend what was posted. Pre-KD the Warriors were 3 jump shooters and an undersized big man who won the title. Saying that team construct can’t win a championship was disproven recently. And Green was much closer to 6-6 than 7 foot.


You're not understanding. Steph and Klay are not just run of the mill jump shooters. They are the greatest to ever do it. Draymond is not undersized because he's capable of protecting the paint like an elite 7 footer while adding elite perimeter defense and sprinkling in playmaking on top of that. Harrell is not in the same universe as a prospect. The Warriors would've never made it passed the 2nd round with Harrell in place of Draymond. There's no comparison whatsoever.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:17 pm    Post subject:

The Warriors already found Draymond’s replacement, Eric Pascahll.
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Draymond’s play making is underrated. That was the focus for Harrell that Jerry West has, he recognized Trez’s IQ and has him working on that part of his game.
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manlisten wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
manlisten wrote:
leking006 wrote:
Yue_Fei wrote:
The Bucks' second unit stopped Lou Williams. It doesn't matter what the Clippers' starting lineup does. The Bucks Brook Lopez went 2-12 in a blowout win.

Neither KL or PG13 are the type of players who can score enough to win games, especially in a series. They are more like Tim Duncan, who needs a lot of scoring support; they are not Kobe, MJ or even Iverson. Let Leonard and George (try to) get theirs. Just control the rotations so you have a very good defense unit (maybe your top defensive unit) whenever Lou Williams is in the game.


This is actually a good game plan. Add to that that most of PG and KL's shots are low % shots. They seldomly drive to the hoop.


Exactly. 3 streaky jump shooters and an undersized big. That's not championship DNA.


You just described the Warriors.


Not sure if you're serious. Steph, Klay and KD are easily 3 of the best 5 shooters of all time. Klay's worst year from 3 is on par with PG's second best. Draymond at his best is essentially a 7 footer with elite rim protection and perimeter defense. Harrell is ineffective against legitimate size. Comparing the Clippers to the Warriors is misguided.


And naturally no one compared them other than those who failed to comprehend what was posted. Pre-KD the Warriors were 3 jump shooters and an undersized big man who won the title. Saying that team construct can’t win a championship was disproven recently. And Green was much closer to 6-6 than 7 foot.


The Draymond Green part of that equation is so hard to replicate and yet so many teams have tried. Draymond pretty much sacrificed his body for that team, he's hit the obvious decline now which is what happens when a 6-7 dude bangs with centers for years. Good that he got that payday, he deserved it.


Certainly this appear to be true. The Warriors disapproved you needed a big man and in fact their style of play may have made the big slower big man obsolete unless you can shoot a 3. They exposed Kevin love of the cavs for instance. And the 3 point shoot was more efficient so there was no need for a slow bull dozing big man inside. But they were the extreme and sometimes the extreme talented can make up for these weaknesses of not having a big man.

It seems AD, Lebron, and Giannis maybe changing the game once again into big men that are lighter and faster who can do both. Although Lebron and Giannis aren’t exactly big men, but they are still quite sized. But AD especially is the extreme too as there just a few things if any big men like him.
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It's a misconception that the Warriors didn't need a bigman. Otherwise they would've still been able to beat the Cavs when Bogut got hurt and Draymond got suspended. Dray provides the same impact as a 7 footer when protecting the paint. He's a big. Harrell is capable of scoring from one specific area on the court and gives minimal defense with no playmaking while being rendered useless against true 7 footers. He will prove to be a liability in the playoffs.
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venturalakersfan wrote:
manlisten wrote:
leking006 wrote:
Yue_Fei wrote:
The Bucks' second unit stopped Lou Williams. It doesn't matter what the Clippers' starting lineup does. The Bucks Brook Lopez went 2-12 in a blowout win.

Neither KL or PG13 are the type of players who can score enough to win games, especially in a series. They are more like Tim Duncan, who needs a lot of scoring support; they are not Kobe, MJ or even Iverson. Let Leonard and George (try to) get theirs. Just control the rotations so you have a very good defense unit (maybe your top defensive unit) whenever Lou Williams is in the game.


This is actually a good game plan. Add to that that most of PG and KL's shots are low % shots. They seldomly drive to the hoop.


Exactly. 3 streaky jump shooters and an undersized big. That's not championship DNA.


You just described the Warriors.


Not sure if you're serious. Steph, Klay and KD are easily 3 of the best 5 shooters of all time. Klay's worst year from 3 is on par with PG's second best. Draymond at his best is essentially a 7 footer with elite rim protection and perimeter defense. Harrell is ineffective against legitimate size. Comparing the Clippers to the Warriors is misguided.


lol fr thats crazy talk. warriors one of the greatest teams ever. clippers just overrated garbage
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Draymond’s play making is underrated. That was the focus for Harrell that Jerry West has, he recognized Trez’s IQ and has him working on that part of his game.


How would you rate trez's bball IQ?
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It's a misconception that the Warriors didn't need a bigman. Otherwise they would've still been able to beat the Cavs when Bogut got hurt and Draymond got suspended. Dray provides the same impact as a 7 footer when protecting the paint. He's a big. Harrell is capable of scoring from one specific area on the court and gives minimal defense with no playmaking while being rendered useless against true 7 footers. He will prove to be a liability in the playoffs.


You couldn’t possibly be more wrong than when you say that Harrell offers no play making.
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Draymond’s play making is underrated. That was the focus for Harrell that Jerry West has, he recognized Trez’s IQ and has him working on that part of his game.


How would you rate trez's bball IQ?


I won’t argue about that with Jerry West.
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It's a misconception that the Warriors didn't need a bigman. Otherwise they would've still been able to beat the Cavs when Bogut got hurt and Draymond got suspended. Dray provides the same impact as a 7 footer when protecting the paint. He's a big. Harrell is capable of scoring from one specific area on the court and gives minimal defense with no playmaking while being rendered useless against true 7 footers. He will prove to be a liability in the playoffs.


You couldn’t possibly be more wrong than when you say that Harrell offers no play making.


We're comparing him to 3x champion and DPOY Draymond Green correct? It's night and day. They're not in the same league. Not as playmakers, defenders or championship pieces. You don't have an argument here.
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It's a misconception that the Warriors didn't need a bigman. Otherwise they would've still been able to beat the Cavs when Bogut got hurt and Draymond got suspended. Dray provides the same impact as a 7 footer when protecting the paint. He's a big. Harrell is capable of scoring from one specific area on the court and gives minimal defense with no playmaking while being rendered useless against true 7 footers. He will prove to be a liability in the playoffs.


You couldn’t possibly be more wrong than when you say that Harrell offers no play making.


We're comparing him to 3x champion and DPOY Draymond Green correct? It's night and day. They're not in the same league. Not as playmakers, defenders or championship pieces. You don't have an argument here.


You are comparing them, I never did. Nor did I compare the Warriors to the Clippers. That is something you created out of nothing. You also said that Harrell offers no play making, that is flat out incorrect.
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It's a misconception that the Warriors didn't need a bigman. Otherwise they would've still been able to beat the Cavs when Bogut got hurt and Draymond got suspended. Dray provides the same impact as a 7 footer when protecting the paint. He's a big. Harrell is capable of scoring from one specific area on the court and gives minimal defense with no playmaking while being rendered useless against true 7 footers. He will prove to be a liability in the playoffs.


You couldn’t possibly be more wrong than when you say that Harrell offers no play making.


We're comparing him to 3x champion and DPOY Draymond Green correct? It's night and day. They're not in the same league. Not as playmakers, defenders or championship pieces. You don't have an argument here.


You are comparing them, I never did. Nor did I compare the Warriors to the Clippers. That is something you created out of nothing. You also said that Harrell offers no play making, that is flat out incorrect.


I see why no one takes you seriously here.
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Draymond’s play making is underrated. That was the focus for Harrell that Jerry West has, he recognized Trez’s IQ and has him working on that part of his game.


How would you rate trez's bball IQ?


I won’t argue about that with Jerry West.


Was there a quote about trez's iq? High or low?
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Clips are good but the bucks are huge and Giannis is better than Kawhi or Palmdale, how did Kawhi shut him down couple months ago?


its a team effort not just Kawhi. He has 3 lengthy big men alternating in the paing Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam which Clippers doesn't have. And he also has Danny Green who is a good help defender.



Really interesting watch, thanks

The "Kawhi stopped Giannis" takes really need to stop


Everyone should watch that vid^^ very interesting.
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Draymond’s play making is underrated. That was the focus for Harrell that Jerry West has, he recognized Trez’s IQ and has him working on that part of his game.


Trez has the same assist/36 and assist% as he did before they hired Jerry West.

I recognize that you have deified Jerry West - and deservedly so. But you are greatly overstating his input and impact with the Clippers. His job with them is basically to be Ballmer's middle finger to the Lakers and a justification for fans to jump ship.
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Draymond’s play making is underrated. That was the focus for Harrell that Jerry West has, he recognized Trez’s IQ and has him working on that part of his game.


How would you rate trez's bball IQ?


I won’t argue about that with Jerry West.


Was there a quote about trez's iq? High or low?


West singled him out when the Clippers hired him as having a high bball IQ. He had him working on play making out of the post and it is something that team needs.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:52 pm    Post subject:

Don't care about Harrell or his theoretical play making


We are the best team in the league along with Mil... not the the Clippers. That whole moving the goal post thing is in full effect right now.

-Clippers will dominate the league - they dont
-Clippers will have the best record - they wont
-Leonard is the best player in the league - hes not
-Lakers cant beat the Clippers because of age and health - we are the healthier
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Where you gonna move those goal posts to now? Go away with the Clipper jock riding already.
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