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Jesusdelonla
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| Man the guy I want is Kelly Oubre. Wanted since his Washington days |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Man the guy I want is Kelly Oubre. Wanted since his Washington days |
Wanted Taurean Prince since his Atlanta days. |
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AFireInside619
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Oubre is good. Dwight would have signed for free..........................
Why? Because this team would have been so good! Duh! |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| PlantedTanks wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Man the guy I want is Kelly Oubre. Wanted since his Washington days |
Wanted Taurean Prince since his Atlanta days. |
Trust me I was begging for him since ever |
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AFireInside619
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | Maybe I am high off 20-3 record and most recent spanking of Nuggets, Utah and blazers
But I would only let cousins go and sign Iggy
And get that chip |
I’m impressed with Rondo, but injury concern is still there. We stagnate a bit when Lebron goes to bench without Rondo on court.
We definitely need the wing defender whether that’s Iggy or a younger version.
Imo cousins is here to stay. He seems like that locker room guy that is important because AD and Rondo want him here. Pels made the mistake of not re-signing him. |
The Pelicans were smart not to bring Cousins back, he is done. |
Yeah, unlike the Lakers the Pelicans can do no wrong. 😝 SMH. We let Randle walk to make room for Lebron, who happens to plays the same position. I mean, who does that?!?! 😬 |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Lebron plays the same position as who? Certainly not Cousins or Randle.
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If Kidd goes to the Knicks, we should get at least
a 1st round pick as comp.  |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Man the guy I want is Kelly Oubre. Wanted since his Washington days |
I wanted him since his Kansas days. And he was available in the offseason.
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| Texas_Pete wrote: | If Kidd goes to the Knicks, we should get at least
a 1st round pick as comp. |
No one is stupid enough to............ well, it is the Knicks.
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | lol at those who think we do not have a SF on the roster.
We have the greatest SF in the history of the game on the roster. He starts for the team every night at that position. Just because he has a PG role on offense that does not mean he is not starting at SF. That is his match up position. Unbelievable.
Also, Kuzma plays some SF for us, and we see that when Dwight and AD are in with the 2nd unit.
I understand the need for having a wing defender, but LA has SFs on the roster. Lebron and Kuzma in traditional positional basketball are SFs. |
It's ridiculous. |
Go back to the Kobe-Pau teams, even they had some players in the rotation you would just say "Man wish we could get a better player in here". Even championship teams have some parts that are not all there, but what makes them championship teams is their cohesion, ability to take over games through their strengths, 2-way ability and ofcourse the most important is the stars you have. The Warriors had some weaknesses even but their strengths were so great no one could compete with them once Durant was with them. Their cohesion and strengths amazing, and 2-way ability. But even them, they had some bigs in there that were not very good and I'm sure their fans wished they had someone better at 5 many nights - Zaza was starting for them at one point. For us we have those elements needed with the strengths and cohesion, the 2-way ability and star power. However we do have some question marks with our backup SF and backup PG spots at times. Certainly would be nice to get Iguodala or some more talent in. The more quality 2-way role player talent in, the better. |
Those teams also had a ton of balance from a skill/athleticism, offense vs defense players.
As for your first comment earlier about not having a sf on the roster. I absolutely agree we have two on the roster, but we don’t have a wing defender. I fully trust bron to hold his own, but you need a versatile wing defender and despite your season long hype of Kuz, the guy has NOt played good and still isn’t what I would call an average defender. |
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| I would strongly consider Kuz+Green for Bertans. I don't think the Lakers would do it, because they think higher of Kuz and Green than I do. But Bertans is like really really good, overall, both sides I think. He's really active on defense and on offense he's like 6'10 Reddick and a good cutter. Really good feet on defense, more agile than Kuz, as well as instincts. |
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now that's an interesting perspective
I don't think anyone else has brought up trading Green yet
not that I would do that trade in particular (I don't know enough about Bertans) but the combo of Kuz + Green does have potential for sure in terms of value, salaries, no implied NTCs, etc
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | I would strongly consider Kuz+Green for Bertans. I don't think the Lakers would do it, because they think higher of Kuz and Green than I do. But Bertans is like really really good, overall, both sides I think. He's really active on defense and on offense he's like 6'10 Reddick and a good cutter. Really good feet on defense, more agile than Kuz, as well as instincts. |
The guy can sure shoot the ball
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | If Kidd goes to the Knicks, we should get at least
a 1st round pick as comp. |
No one is stupid enough to............ well, it is the Knicks. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | I would strongly consider Kuz+Green for Bertans. I don't think the Lakers would do it, because they think higher of Kuz and Green than I do. But Bertans is like really really good, overall, both sides I think. He's really active on defense and on offense he's like 6'10 Reddick and a good cutter. Really good feet on defense, more agile than Kuz, as well as instincts. |
The guy can sure shoot the ball |
He plays on offense how we ideally/realistically want Kuz to play, aside from the movement shooting too -- good cutter, attacks closeouts well, nice touch. And I really like what I've seen on defense.. he uses his length.
44% from 3 this year, but all around he's balling |
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| Texas_Pete wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | If Kidd goes to the Knicks, we should get at least
a 1st round pick as comp. |
No one is stupid enough to............ well, it is the Knicks. |
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Maybe they give us one of the Dallas picks that were the centerpieces of the Porzingis trade (along with DSJ). They will probably be very late first rounders.
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Joe Pesci
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| Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | lol at those who think we do not have a SF on the roster.
We have the greatest SF in the history of the game on the roster. He starts for the team every night at that position. Just because he has a PG role on offense that does not mean he is not starting at SF. That is his match up position. Unbelievable.
Also, Kuzma plays some SF for us, and we see that when Dwight and AD are in with the 2nd unit.
I understand the need for having a wing defender, but LA has SFs on the roster. Lebron and Kuzma in traditional positional basketball are SFs. |
It's ridiculous. |
Go back to the Kobe-Pau teams, even they had some players in the rotation you would just say "Man wish we could get a better player in here". Even championship teams have some parts that are not all there, but what makes them championship teams is their cohesion, ability to take over games through their strengths, 2-way ability and ofcourse the most important is the stars you have. The Warriors had some weaknesses even but their strengths were so great no one could compete with them once Durant was with them. Their cohesion and strengths amazing, and 2-way ability. But even them, they had some bigs in there that were not very good and I'm sure their fans wished they had someone better at 5 many nights - Zaza was starting for them at one point. For us we have those elements needed with the strengths and cohesion, the 2-way ability and star power. However we do have some question marks with our backup SF and backup PG spots at times. Certainly would be nice to get Iguodala or some more talent in. The more quality 2-way role player talent in, the better. |
Except point guard, I define positions based on who you guard.
James is most definitely a point guard on offense and a small forward on defense, but he shouldn't be.
He's an older player and should not be playing point and guarding SFs as well.
James is, technically, the only SF on the roster, even though he shouldn't be one anymore. Green comes in second, even though he's played mostly guard is entire career. Other than that, nothing.
I admit I embellished, but the point remains: It was a major oversight by the front office to sign 50 guards and zero SFs.
Incompetence. I'm just saying it first, in December. You all will surely catch up to me in April and May.
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| With the Blazers losing Rodney Hood for the season, we should try sending 1 of our cheap shooters (Daniels or Cook)... to POR for Mario Hezonja. |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | I would strongly consider Kuz+Green for Bertans. I don't think the Lakers would do it, because they think higher of Kuz and Green than I do. But Bertans is like really really good, overall, both sides I think. He's really active on defense and on offense he's like 6'10 Reddick and a good cutter. Really good feet on defense, more agile than Kuz, as well as instincts. |
The guy can sure shoot the ball |
He plays on offense how we ideally/realistically want Kuz to play, aside from the movement shooting too -- good cutter, attacks closeouts well, nice touch. And I really like what I've seen on defense.. he uses his length.
44% from 3 this year, but all around he's balling |
yupe, lets trade 2 wings for another big when who is a career bench player and is an expirer |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | I would strongly consider Kuz+Green for Bertans. I don't think the Lakers would do it, because they think higher of Kuz and Green than I do. But Bertans is like really really good, overall, both sides I think. He's really active on defense and on offense he's like 6'10 Reddick and a good cutter. Really good feet on defense, more agile than Kuz, as well as instincts. |
The guy can sure shoot the ball |
He plays on offense how we ideally/realistically want Kuz to play, aside from the movement shooting too -- good cutter, attacks closeouts well, nice touch. And I really like what I've seen on defense.. he uses his length.
44% from 3 this year, but all around he's balling |
yupe, lets trade 2 wings for another big when who is a career bench player and is an expirer |
Bertans guards 3s as well.. he has better feet than Kuz.. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | I would strongly consider Kuz+Green for Bertans. I don't think the Lakers would do it, because they think higher of Kuz and Green than I do. But Bertans is like really really good, overall, both sides I think. He's really active on defense and on offense he's like 6'10 Reddick and a good cutter. Really good feet on defense, more agile than Kuz, as well as instincts. |
The guy can sure shoot the ball |
He plays on offense how we ideally/realistically want Kuz to play, aside from the movement shooting too -- good cutter, attacks closeouts well, nice touch. And I really like what I've seen on defense.. he uses his length.
44% from 3 this year, but all around he's balling |
yupe, lets trade 2 wings for another big when who is a career bench player and is an expirer |
Bertans guards 3s as well.. he has better feet than Kuz.. |
he is an expirer and shouldnt take more then 2nd or 2.
no idea whats the fascination of trading kuzma for marginal players like thad young and bertans |
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TJ Warren is nice. Very, very, nice. Wish we had him.
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | I would strongly consider Kuz+Green for Bertans. I don't think the Lakers would do it, because they think higher of Kuz and Green than I do. But Bertans is like really really good, overall, both sides I think. He's really active on defense and on offense he's like 6'10 Reddick and a good cutter. Really good feet on defense, more agile than Kuz, as well as instincts. |
The guy can sure shoot the ball |
He plays on offense how we ideally/realistically want Kuz to play, aside from the movement shooting too -- good cutter, attacks closeouts well, nice touch. And I really like what I've seen on defense.. he uses his length.
44% from 3 this year, but all around he's balling |
yupe, lets trade 2 wings for another big when who is a career bench player and is an expirer |
Bertans guards 3s as well.. he has better feet than Kuz.. |
he is an expirer and shouldnt take more then 2nd or 2.
no idea whats the fascination of trading kuzma for marginal players like thad young and bertans |
If you think you can get bertans for a 2nd years down the line, you are so lost
Mirotic got 4 2nds from the bucks last year. He is a similar guy.
3 2nds minimum for Bertans with expiring.
Or a late 1st and expiring (or 2 year small deal).
I wouldn't move Kuzma for just Bertans. But I would likely move Kuzma for Bertans and a future protected 1st from a good team. |
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I personally dont forsee a trade happening, this team is gelling too much.
In fact, I think by All Star break, the Lakers will assert them as Championship favorites.
Bradley and Caruso are going to become our starting back court.
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