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| adkindo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | The Dow is over 500 points! The more people Trump insults the higher the Dow goes it seems  |
Money...the republicans true god |
Most politicians including most democrats are bought off by big corporations. Big money runs this country, not the people. |
America has been a veiled plutocracy for some time. Bernie preached get money out of politics. It didn't and won't happen until our elected official think more country than wealth and party.
Get these families, to name a few, out of politics, then maybe there will be a chance.
The Walton Family (Wal-Mart) Estimated Wealth: $151.5 to $174.5 billion. ...
The Koch Brothers (Koch Industries) Estimated Wealth: $120 billion. ...
The Mars Family (Mars) ...
Bernard Arnault & Family (LVMH) ...
Carlos Slim Helu & Family. ...
Karl & Theo Albrecht Jr. ...
The Dumas Family (Hermes) ...
The Kamprad family – IKEA. |
hmm, seems like your list is missing quite a few names....I mean if your true goal is to remove big money from politics.....  |
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| Goldenwest wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | The Dow is over 500 points! The more people Trump insults the higher the Dow goes it seems |
Money...the republicans true god |
Most politicians including most democrats are bought off by big corporations. Big money runs this country, not the people. |
America has been a veiled plutocracy for some time. Bernie preached get money out of politics. It didn't and won't happen until our elected official think more country than wealth and party.
Get these families, to name a few, out of politics, then maybe there will be a chance.
The Walton Family (Wal-Mart) Estimated Wealth: $151.5 to $174.5 billion. ...
The Koch Brothers (Koch Industries) Estimated Wealth: $120 billion. ...
The Mars Family (Mars) ...
Bernard Arnault & Family (LVMH) ...
Carlos Slim Helu & Family. ...
Karl & Theo Albrecht Jr. ...
The Dumas Family (Hermes) ...
The Kamprad family – IKEA. |
Doesn't matter what system you put in, those with the most resources/money have always been able to establish more control than those without. It's a logical extension of the concept of money. |
That’s called a dictatorial system or coroporatocracy which this country has pretty much become. A democracy, which is what this country was supposed to be is ‘a government for the people and by the people’’ remember that one? Sounds laughable and hardly the case now.
This is just a naked power grab by the rich corporations, nothing more. The only candidate with enough guts to talk about it was Sanders. |
Eh, Sanders used to take lots of corporate money, but the fact is, wealthy people always have and always will have influence. It’s like being outraged that they can buy bigger houses. Of course they can. That’s why people want to be rich. The only way to take power from the wealthy would be to eliminate the wealthy.
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JJ still owes me $300 in 1979 dollars 
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ContagiousInspiration
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | The Dow is over 500 points! The more people Trump insults the higher the Dow goes it seems |
Money...the republicans true god |
Most politicians including most democrats are bought off by big corporations. Big money runs this country, not the people. |
America has been a veiled plutocracy for some time. Bernie preached get money out of politics. It didn't and won't happen until our elected official think more country than wealth and party.
Get these families, to name a few, out of politics, then maybe there will be a chance.
The Walton Family (Wal-Mart) Estimated Wealth: $151.5 to $174.5 billion. ...
The Koch Brothers (Koch Industries) Estimated Wealth: $120 billion. ...
The Mars Family (Mars) ...
Bernard Arnault & Family (LVMH) ...
Carlos Slim Helu & Family. ...
Karl & Theo Albrecht Jr. ...
The Dumas Family (Hermes) ...
The Kamprad family – IKEA. |
Doesn't matter what system you put in, those with the most resources/money have always been able to establish more control than those without. It's a logical extension of the concept of money. |
That’s called a dictatorial system or coroporatocracy which this country has pretty much become. A democracy, which is what this country was supposed to be is ‘a government for the people and by the people’’ remember that one? Sounds laughable and hardly the case now.
This is just a naked power grab by the rich corporations, nothing more. The only candidate with enough guts to talk about it was Sanders. |
Eh, Sanders used to take lots of corporate money, but the fact is, wealthy people always have and always will have influence. It’s like being outraged that they can buy bigger houses. Of course they can. That’s why people want to be rich. The only way to take power from the wealthy would be to eliminate the wealthy. |
So we need to find Robin Hood and give him a gun?
Eliminate the Wealthy not needed.
Find humans with Integrity to write and enforce transparency in donations
Too bad humans morality isn't stronger than the dollar or their fear of "other"
Remove all the liars by any and all means necessary
Convict and Incarcerate all Politicians found guilty of misusing citizens tax dollars.. Felonies if over the limit
Felonies for any politicians caught accepting any bribe
Start incarcerating these politicians the way they do citizens
Never ever let a Politician act separate from "Citizen"
Citizen first and foremost.. No special recognition
Either be a Politician because you love your community your state your fellow man
Review London Bridge Traitors dismembered .. A politician who lies and steals is a Traitor..very simple. |
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | The Dow is over 500 points! The more people Trump insults the higher the Dow goes it seems |
Money...the republicans true god |
Most politicians including most democrats are bought off by big corporations. Big money runs this country, not the people. |
America has been a veiled plutocracy for some time. Bernie preached get money out of politics. It didn't and won't happen until our elected official think more country than wealth and party.
Get these families, to name a few, out of politics, then maybe there will be a chance.
The Walton Family (Wal-Mart) Estimated Wealth: $151.5 to $174.5 billion. ...
The Koch Brothers (Koch Industries) Estimated Wealth: $120 billion. ...
The Mars Family (Mars) ...
Bernard Arnault & Family (LVMH) ...
Carlos Slim Helu & Family. ...
Karl & Theo Albrecht Jr. ...
The Dumas Family (Hermes) ...
The Kamprad family – IKEA. |
Doesn't matter what system you put in, those with the most resources/money have always been able to establish more control than those without. It's a logical extension of the concept of money. |
That’s called a dictatorial system or coroporatocracy which this country has pretty much become. A democracy, which is what this country was supposed to be is ‘a government for the people and by the people’’ remember that one? Sounds laughable and hardly the case now.
This is just a naked power grab by the rich corporations, nothing more. The only candidate with enough guts to talk about it was Sanders. |
Eh, Sanders used to take lots of corporate money, but the fact is, wealthy people always have and always will have influence. It’s like being outraged that they can buy bigger houses. Of course they can. That’s why people want to be rich. The only way to take power from the wealthy would be to eliminate the wealthy. |
So we need to find Robin Hood and give him a gun?
Eliminate the Wealthy not needed.
Find humans with Integrity to write and enforce transparency in donations
Too bad humans morality isn't stronger than the dollar or their fear of "other"
Remove all the liars by any and all means necessary
Convict and Incarcerate all Politicians found guilty of misusing citizens tax dollars.. Felonies if over the limit
Felonies for any politicians caught accepting any bribe
Start incarcerating these politicians the way they do citizens
Never ever let a Politician act separate from "Citizen"
Citizen first and foremost.. No special recognition
Either be a Politician because you love your community your state your fellow man
Review London Bridge Traitors dismembered .. A politician who lies and steals is a Traitor..very simple. |
If something isn't done then we will either devolve into some kind of mix of true autocracy and plutocracy, or the people will simply mobilize into a few different factions that are all aimed at overthrowing the government and its wealthy donors. There's no real middle ground.
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| Fallout wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | governator wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | Yes, but she is also a Never Trumper. She usually calls him President Loco. |
Need more republican like her, reject the madness |
Most all of the republican never trumpers are even stronger never Democrats so they may talk tough and still vote party line  |
Explains the rather be russian then democrats |
  crazy f***s for sure  |
Those who rather side with Russians are traitors to our country. |
real simple assessment. i've said this the entire time. you're a traitor if thats your line of logic. you should be banished to siberia. |
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If something isn't done then we will either devolve into some kind of mix of true autocracy and plutocracy, or the people will simply mobilize into a few different factions that are all aimed at overthrowing the government and its wealthy donors. There's no real middle ground. |
Or you can argue that the political class has divided us into factions so that we wouldn't attack the wealthy and instead attack each other.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | The Dow is over 500 points! The more people Trump insults the higher the Dow goes it seems |
Money...the republicans true god |
Most politicians including most democrats are bought off by big corporations. Big money runs this country, not the people. |
America has been a veiled plutocracy for some time. Bernie preached get money out of politics. It didn't and won't happen until our elected official think more country than wealth and party.
Get these families, to name a few, out of politics, then maybe there will be a chance.
The Walton Family (Wal-Mart) Estimated Wealth: $151.5 to $174.5 billion. ...
The Koch Brothers (Koch Industries) Estimated Wealth: $120 billion. ...
The Mars Family (Mars) ...
Bernard Arnault & Family (LVMH) ...
Carlos Slim Helu & Family. ...
Karl & Theo Albrecht Jr. ...
The Dumas Family (Hermes) ...
The Kamprad family – IKEA. |
Doesn't matter what system you put in, those with the most resources/money have always been able to establish more control than those without. It's a logical extension of the concept of money. |
That’s called a dictatorial system or coroporatocracy which this country has pretty much become. A democracy, which is what this country was supposed to be is ‘a government for the people and by the people’’ remember that one? Sounds laughable and hardly the case now.
This is just a naked power grab by the rich corporations, nothing more. The only candidate with enough guts to talk about it was Sanders. |
Eh, Sanders used to take lots of corporate money, but the fact is, wealthy people always have and always will have influence. It’s like being outraged that they can buy bigger houses. Of course they can. That’s why people want to be rich. The only way to take power from the wealthy would be to eliminate the wealthy. |
It shouldn’t get to that point. you Just need proper regulations, fair tax structure and an educated and involved public. We had more of that from the mid to latter part of the last century. In a democracy, which we are supposed to be, it has to be that way.
The Russians got rid of their rich through revolution, they had 90 percent poor and illiterate and ten percent wealthy with virtually no middle class. And their leaders were constantly getting the country involved in wars to serve the empire. The people finally had enough but they traded one dictator for another - we don’t want to get to that point, but you look at the state of the country unbalanced wealth distribution, shrinking middle class, a stronger wealthy/elite class, strongest in the history of this nation.....we’re easily half way to where the Russians were. |
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White Nationalists taking over the GOP... now that's Identity Politics of the republican kind 
Who votes for trump??? |
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Saudis plot to kidnap, beat, murder, dismember* American-based Saudi journalist. Trump refuses to have FBI investigate because he wasn't a "citizen." Saudis say, who us? Trump says they told him they didn't do it and that's good enough for him. Saudis then give Trump administration $100M in "aid" for Syria. Trump and Pompeo: What do you expect us to do? Of course we're going to take the money and pretend it never happened. That's what anyone would do.
He should be impeached for this alone.
* and they apparently began to cut him up while he was still alive |
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And yesterday the big orange baboon denied climate change, saying it will swing back, and he knows this stuff because he had an uncle who was a scientist so he has good instincts on science.
If you still support this ignorant (bleep).... |
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Those who rather side with Russians are traitors to our country. |
That sounds just a little too similar to what was happening back in the early to mid 1950's, led by one of the many horrible human beings ever elected to the US Congress: Joseph McCarthy.
We don't need thinkspeak or crimethink coming from the left, as it is no better than coming from the right.
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funny how the buck never gets to the presidents desk when a republican is in the White House...
republican policies have led to the last three recessions so there's that to vote for? |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | White Nationalists taking over the GOP... now that's Identity Politics of the republican kind
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Yes it is, but they don't advertise it. Because it is so pervasive, identity politics from the left alienates as it comforts.
It should be understood by now, without hammering over and over, that everyone deserves equal opportunity, that everyone deserves to be treated with respect, that everyone has the right to love and marry whom they choose, and that the Democratic Party if fully in line with all of these groups and ideas. When the focus is on one group, or another group, specifically, and it is repeated over and over, it can easily be perceived by the excluded groups that they are not part of the progressive message. I am not saying that progressives and liberals abandon some of their core constituents, as I would hope they know who is in their corner, but that the message should be of a more general focus, of helping all Americans succeed. I think Obama did this extremely well.
Republican leadership, at least on the national level, doesn't go about advertising to the masses what they want that is unpopular or highly contentious. Even so, it is understood by the rank and file. As such, they can be vague or glib on a subject, until they get in their back rooms.
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| ribeye wrote: | | Fallout wrote: |
Those who rather side with Russians are traitors to our country. |
That sounds just a little too similar to what was happening back in the early to mid 1950's, led by one of the many horrible human beings ever elected to the US Congress: Joseph McCarthy.
We don't need thinkspeak or crimethink coming from the left, as it is no better than coming from the right. |
In truth one party is currently absolutely corrupt because absolute power...
Take a mans vote away... and use Jim Crow era words to describe the BS
"Outside Agitators" is what they call you and me..
Maybe I have some mental disease but what they are doing in North Dakota and Georgia.. doesn't deserve pacification.. it doesn't deserve silence and sit down movements..
They are trying to create a war.. |
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Washington Post: Pompeo hears Turkey’s accusations against Saudi Arabia in Khashoggi case
| Quote: | | ANKARA, Turkey — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo received a firsthand briefing Wednesday on Turkey’s claims that Jamal Khashoggi was killed by Saudi agents, but he did not listen to an audio recording that Turkey says offers a gruesome rendering of the journalist’s last moments alive. |
So, the Secretary of State goes on a fact-finding mission but doesn't listen to the recording that reveals the facts.
This is what it looks like when you either don't want to know the facts or you already know the facts and don't need them confirmed because you're already partially complicit in the event or the cover-up of the event.
And there are rumors out there not only that U.S. intelligence had awareness that the Saudis were up to something, but that they had "permission" from the Trump administration to go forward, maybe even from Trump himself. This is coming from overseas news sources and not confirmed by any American press. But if it went down this way, good God. |
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Sounds like a 'Kavanaugh' type investigation ...
Did You have anything to do with this?
NO!
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Does anyone else see one side's reaction to this Khashoggi assassination as another example of pure tribalism, or better yet, oppositism, particularly of the Democratic Party and truth?
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| ChefLinda wrote: | Washington Post: Pompeo hears Turkey’s accusations against Saudi Arabia in Khashoggi case
| Quote: | | ANKARA, Turkey — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo received a firsthand briefing Wednesday on Turkey’s claims that Jamal Khashoggi was killed by Saudi agents, but he did not listen to an audio recording that Turkey says offers a gruesome rendering of the journalist’s last moments alive. |
So, the Secretary of State goes on a fact-finding mission but doesn't listen to the recording that reveals the facts.
This is what it looks like when you either don't want to know the facts or you already know the facts and don't need them confirmed because you're already partially complicit in the event or the cover-up of the event.
And there are rumors out there not only that U.S. intelligence had awareness that the Saudis were up to something, but that they had "permission" from the Trump administration to go forward, maybe even from Trump himself. This is coming from overseas news sources and not confirmed by any American press. But if it went down this way, good God. |
From a post a few pages back
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How the missing Saudi writer could affect Israel
Khashoggi was opponent of Israeli-Saudi ties, said J’lem won’t protect region from Iran
https://www.jpost.com/International/How-the-missing-Saudi-writer-could-affect-Israel-569258
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Khashoggi was once a powerful insider in Saudi Arabia, an adviser to the kingdom
who helped craft its image abroad.
However he became increasingly disillusioned with the path chosen by Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman
after MBS rose to power in 2017. Khashoggi was particularly critical of Riyadh’s approach to the Muslim Brotherhood
and political Islam. He felt the crackdown on more Islamist views was problematic. He also voiced consistent
critique of the rumors that the kingdom was growing closer to Israel. He told Al Jazeera in November
that Saudi Arabia should return to its role as a leader of the Arab world. “He deplored the authorities’ decision
to allow some in the Saudi news media to express support for
Israel against the Palestinians,” the article noted.
The Middle East Monitor asserted an Israel-Saudi relationship in an article on Thursday. “We don’t know
whether or not Israel was involved in this particular kidnapping in Istanbul,
but it’s certainly a valid avenue of enquiry for investigators.” |
Kushner is the middle man in some ways here.
He pushed for Saudi Arabia and Israel to build stronger ties
Kashoogi pushed against this
MBS wants investment in his country
Kashoogi couldv'e been exposing some corruption on behalf of the royal family to get them to stop being friendly with Israel and Trump et al..
Trump and Israel could negotiate us into WW3 |
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| ribeye wrote: | | Does anyone else see one side's reaction to this Khashoggi assassination as another example of pure tribalism, or better yet, oppositism, particularly of the Democratic Party and truth? |
As much as I do not like what happened..
The world won't pause for Donald Trump sending 2 year old children to see a judge and locking them in cages
I sincerely do not know what can be done?
Short/Long term world effect? |
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| ribeye wrote: | | Does anyone else see one side's reaction to this Khashoggi assassination as another example of pure tribalism, or better yet, oppositism, particularly of the Democratic Party and truth? |
Republicans in Congress have expressed anger and shock about this happening, but will they actually do anything about it? We'll see. Because in almost every past instance they ended up going along with Trump and giving him a pass. |
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| But if they let Saudis get away with this, what's to stop the Saudis or Putin or Trump from contracting out hits on other U.S. journalists or any political enemy? We know Putin already does this, and I've always thought Trump would try it if he could get away with it. Well, if the Saudis get away with murdering a Washington Post journalist and Congress does nothing, we are one step closer to Trump thinking he could replicate it and get away with it. He's a malignant narcissistic sociopath without empathy who thinks he could get away with shooting someone on Fifth Avenue, and so far there has been no bottom. I pray I'm wrong. |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | White Nationalists taking over the GOP... now that's Identity Politics of the republican kind
Who votes for trump??? |
And the article talked about how that white nationalist is amongst a growing group "infiltrating" the GOP and not being so "open" about their extremist views. Scary.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | Does anyone else see one side's reaction to this Khashoggi assassination as another example of pure tribalism, or better yet, oppositism, particularly of the Democratic Party and truth? |
Republicans in Congress have expressed anger and shock about this happening, but will they actually do anything about it? We'll see. Because in almost every past instance they ended up going along with Trump and giving him a pass. |
Trust me. The expressions of disappointment and furrowing of brows will be at a fever pitch. |
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