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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:22 am    Post subject:

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De'Aaron Fox is a much much better scorer, better shooter, has more assists, has more steals, same assist to turnover ratio. Only things Lonzo has on him are rebounding and defense.

At this point, it's not even close... Fox is a much better and impactful player. Lonzo can catch up perhaps... assuming Fox doesn't get better too.

Just the way it is.


Fox also got to dominate the ball his first season in Sacramento
Then got to spend a whole summer working on his body and game, as opposed to having to rehab.

He got to go into this season with subzero expectations and a longterm commitment from his team, as opposed to rampant rumors that he would be packaged in a trade for another superstar.

Just the way it is.


This is interesting because when Lonzo started the year shooting 41% from 3, people said he fixed his shot over the summer.

Now that he’s cooled off, the narrative becomes - he didn’t have time to work on his game.

What happens if he gets hot again? Back to - he fixed his shot this summer?
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Obviously Fox is a better player,


Only thing Fox does better than Lonzo is score.


Thats a pretty big thing in the game of basketball


When you're asked to be the primary scorer on the team.


But Lonzo brings us value in his defense, rebounding, passing, court generalship, and finding ways to get other players involved.

If you were to break down Lonzo's game and say what are the things he does exceptionally well and what's the things he needs to work at.

He does everything exceptionally well but score. That isn't asked to be his role either.

Essentially if Lonzo shot 35% from three at any point in his career he would be a beast and a walking triple double.

Fox will always have his athleticism and his ability to score, but on the nights when his shot isn't falling he doesn't have very many other intangibles that can help his team win.

Lonzo on the other hand, does.

If De'Aaron Fox has a 5 point game he likely isn't going to be contributing much else on the other side of the ball or otherwise because his offense is how he helps.

If Lonzo has a 5 point game, he can still play lockdown defense, get 11 assists and 6-7 rebounds and help a team win and frustrate the other team's guards or forwards on the other end of the floor and keep them from getting their rhythm or their scoring off.

That is extremely valuable. The question becomes, what happens first? Lonzo becoming a stronger and better finisher and a 35-36% shooter from three at least. Or De'Aaron Fox learning to defend, pass, rebound, and have a basketball IQ at the level of Lonzo with the ability to impact the game when he isn't scoring?

I'll take the former over the latter.


Nice, so you’d still draft Lonzo no. 2 after seeing what you’ve seen?

You’d still pass on Fox?
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Fox is proving to everyone that he is a Top 3 pick and Ball is showing us the opposite. Fox is the leader of the team. Without Lebron, we will be crying because Ball hides under pressure.


Let's see whether Sac will first get to 35 wins which we did last season without Bron and a back up PG in Caruso who plays in G league.


We also got to 35 wins w/o Lonzo

He played in only 52 games - missing 30
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Fox is proving to everyone that he is a Top 3 pick and Ball is showing us the opposite. Fox is the leader of the team. Without Lebron, we will be crying because Ball hides under pressure.


Let's see whether Sac will first get to 35 wins which we did last season without Bron and a back up PG in Caruso who plays in G league.


We also got to 35 wins w/o Lonzo

He played in only 52 games - missing 30
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Fox is proving to everyone that he is a Top 3 pick and Ball is showing us the opposite. Fox is the leader of the team. Without Lebron, we will be crying because Ball hides under pressure.


Let's see whether Sac will first get to 35 wins which we did last season without Bron and a back up PG in Caruso who plays in G league.


We also got to 35 wins w/o Lonzo

He played in only 52 games - missing 30


You're aware we got 23 of those 35 with him playing, right? Lost 6 in a row when he first got hurt, went 8-7 when he got hurt the 2nd time, and then went 8-2 when he came back... and finished the season 2-6 when he missed the last 8 games.

If Lonzo and BI had played the majority of last season we were likely a 45ish win team.
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MJST wrote:
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Fox is proving to everyone that he is a Top 3 pick and Ball is showing us the opposite. Fox is the leader of the team. Without Lebron, we will be crying because Ball hides under pressure.


Let's see whether Sac will first get to 35 wins which we did last season without Bron and a back up PG in Caruso who plays in G league.


We also got to 35 wins w/o Lonzo

He played in only 52 games - missing 30


You're aware we got 23 of those 35 with him playing, right? Lost 6 in a row when he first got hurt, went 8-7 when he got hurt the 2nd time, and then went 8-2 when he came back... and finished the season 2-6 when he missed the last 8 games.

If Lonzo and BI had played the majority of last season we were likely a 45ish win team.


Well the challenge was to see if Sac can get to 35 wins this year. If Lonzo only helped us to 23 wins last year, then the challenge should be if Sac could get to 23 wins in 52 games right?

And re: us being a 45ish win team last year - as I told another poster - you win on that argument. I always lose on hypothetical arguments so you win. Even if you tell me we were an 83ish win team, you still win.
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LongBeachPoly wrote:
MJST wrote:
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Obviously Fox is a better player,


Only thing Fox does better than Lonzo is score.


Thats a pretty big thing in the game of basketball


When you're asked to be the primary scorer on the team.


But Lonzo brings us value in his defense, rebounding, passing, court generalship, and finding ways to get other players involved.

If you were to break down Lonzo's game and say what are the things he does exceptionally well and what's the things he needs to work at.

He does everything exceptionally well but score. That isn't asked to be his role either.

Essentially if Lonzo shot 35% from three at any point in his career he would be a beast and a walking triple double.

Fox will always have his athleticism and his ability to score, but on the nights when his shot isn't falling he doesn't have very many other intangibles that can help his team win.

Lonzo on the other hand, does.

If De'Aaron Fox has a 5 point game he likely isn't going to be contributing much else on the other side of the ball or otherwise because his offense is how he helps.

If Lonzo has a 5 point game, he can still play lockdown defense, get 11 assists and 6-7 rebounds and help a team win and frustrate the other team's guards or forwards on the other end of the floor and keep them from getting their rhythm or their scoring off.

That is extremely valuable. The question becomes, what happens first? Lonzo becoming a stronger and better finisher and a 35-36% shooter from three at least. Or De'Aaron Fox learning to defend, pass, rebound, and have a basketball IQ at the level of Lonzo with the ability to impact the game when he isn't scoring?

I'll take the former over the latter.


Nice, so you’d still draft Lonzo no. 2 after seeing what you’ve seen?

You’d still pass on Fox?


Absolutely. What would Fox look like standing in the corner with the ball in LeBrons hands all game?
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scooterp10 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
MJST wrote:
LKA wrote:
MJST wrote:
where24happens wrote:
Obviously Fox is a better player,


Only thing Fox does better than Lonzo is score.


Thats a pretty big thing in the game of basketball


When you're asked to be the primary scorer on the team.


But Lonzo brings us value in his defense, rebounding, passing, court generalship, and finding ways to get other players involved.

If you were to break down Lonzo's game and say what are the things he does exceptionally well and what's the things he needs to work at.

He does everything exceptionally well but score. That isn't asked to be his role either.

Essentially if Lonzo shot 35% from three at any point in his career he would be a beast and a walking triple double.

Fox will always have his athleticism and his ability to score, but on the nights when his shot isn't falling he doesn't have very many other intangibles that can help his team win.

Lonzo on the other hand, does.

If De'Aaron Fox has a 5 point game he likely isn't going to be contributing much else on the other side of the ball or otherwise because his offense is how he helps.

If Lonzo has a 5 point game, he can still play lockdown defense, get 11 assists and 6-7 rebounds and help a team win and frustrate the other team's guards or forwards on the other end of the floor and keep them from getting their rhythm or their scoring off.

That is extremely valuable. The question becomes, what happens first? Lonzo becoming a stronger and better finisher and a 35-36% shooter from three at least. Or De'Aaron Fox learning to defend, pass, rebound, and have a basketball IQ at the level of Lonzo with the ability to impact the game when he isn't scoring?

I'll take the former over the latter.


Nice, so you’d still draft Lonzo no. 2 after seeing what you’ve seen?

You’d still pass on Fox?


Absolutely. What would Fox look like standing in the corner with the ball in LeBrons hands all game?


Here's another question for you, would you draft Lonzo or Kuzma then at no. 2? Because Kuzma's going to be gone early.

And re: Fox standing in the corner - that's a pretty big indictment on LeBron and the Lakers coaching staff. It's as if you're saying we have no use for a high efficiency 18 ppg pg in our system.

It's quite the opposite of what others are saying. People here are hoping Lonzo improves offensively - that he can become an 18ppg player shooting at a high efficiency rate. You're saying we have no room for that type of player on our squad anyways so it doesn't matter. If Lonzo ever improved his offense to where he can score 18 ppg efficiently while shooting 41% from 3, I'd hope we can find some shots for him in our offense. You?

And if you'd still draft Lonzo over Fox, then basically you're saying Lonzo was miles and miles ahead of Fox on the draft board last year; because Fox has improved by leaps and Lonzo has taken a step back, and yet Lonzo is still ahead of him on the draft board. And it's not even a question for you, you'd ABSOLUTELY do it. Like, there's no doubt at all. If this is the case, then there was no point in us working out Fox at all last year. If what he's done vs. real NBA competition doesn't impress you enough to draft him no. 2, then what could we have seen in workouts to draft him last year? Might as well not have even worked him out.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:18 am    Post subject:

We have no reason to believe the Lakers training staff would have fixed Fox's jumper last Summer..
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LongBeachPoly wrote:
scooterp10 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
MJST wrote:
LKA wrote:
MJST wrote:
where24happens wrote:
Obviously Fox is a better player,


Only thing Fox does better than Lonzo is score.


Thats a pretty big thing in the game of basketball


When you're asked to be the primary scorer on the team.


But Lonzo brings us value in his defense, rebounding, passing, court generalship, and finding ways to get other players involved.

If you were to break down Lonzo's game and say what are the things he does exceptionally well and what's the things he needs to work at.

He does everything exceptionally well but score. That isn't asked to be his role either.

Essentially if Lonzo shot 35% from three at any point in his career he would be a beast and a walking triple double.

Fox will always have his athleticism and his ability to score, but on the nights when his shot isn't falling he doesn't have very many other intangibles that can help his team win.

Lonzo on the other hand, does.

If De'Aaron Fox has a 5 point game he likely isn't going to be contributing much else on the other side of the ball or otherwise because his offense is how he helps.

If Lonzo has a 5 point game, he can still play lockdown defense, get 11 assists and 6-7 rebounds and help a team win and frustrate the other team's guards or forwards on the other end of the floor and keep them from getting their rhythm or their scoring off.

That is extremely valuable. The question becomes, what happens first? Lonzo becoming a stronger and better finisher and a 35-36% shooter from three at least. Or De'Aaron Fox learning to defend, pass, rebound, and have a basketball IQ at the level of Lonzo with the ability to impact the game when he isn't scoring?

I'll take the former over the latter.


Nice, so you’d still draft Lonzo no. 2 after seeing what you’ve seen?

You’d still pass on Fox?


Absolutely. What would Fox look like standing in the corner with the ball in LeBrons hands all game?


Here's another question for you, would you draft Lonzo or Kuzma then at no. 2? Because Kuzma's going to be gone early.

And re: Fox standing in the corner - that's a pretty big indictment on LeBron and the Lakers coaching staff. It's as if you're saying we have no use for a high efficiency 18 ppg pg in our system.

It's quite the opposite of what others are saying. People here are hoping Lonzo improves offensively - that he can become an 18ppg player shooting at a high efficiency rate. You're saying we have no room for that type of player on our squad anyways so it doesn't matter.

And if you'd still draft Lonzo over Fox, then basically you're saying Lonzo was miles and miles ahead of Fox on the draft board last year; because Fox has improved by leaps and Lonzo has taken a step back, and yet Lonzo is still ahead of him on the draft board.


I think it would be a lot harder for Fox to find a roll on this Lakers team. LeBron has the ball a majority of the time, then Kuzma, Ingram, Rondo and Stephenson all trying to be facilitators. Nobody is taking the ball from Fox in Sacramento. Pretty much that whole team is young and there is zero pressure.

Yes I hate the way Luke uses Lonzo. I actually believed the notion that LeBron wanted to be off the ball more. Obviously, that is not happening. The everybody spread out and watch LeBron dominate offense does not work well with how Lonzo plays the game.

If I’m drafting for this team I’m taking Kuzma, but then we’re getting worked on defense. If I’m drafting for last years team I’m taking Lonzo. I’m glad we have both for life after LeBron. I think these two in 3 years are going to be a lot of fun to watch.

Fox has had a hot month though. I still take Zo and I still think he’ll have a better career. I hope he’s a Laker for life
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:33 am    Post subject:

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Nice, so you’d still draft Lonzo no. 2 after seeing what you’ve seen?

You’d still pass on Fox?


This is a fair monday morning QB question, Tatum, Fox, Mitchell, Markanen, Dennis Smith, Kuzma, Hart. Lonzo top 5 with Tatum, Fox, Mitchell, Markanen
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:35 am    Post subject:

Lakers are winning in dominating fashion without contributions from their 2 former #2 draft picks. Hart definitely should be part of the Lakers because of his invaluable 3-pt shooting. Kuzma has shown flashes of greatness so he should be kept as well.

Lonzo and BI, even though they're former #2 picks, should be used as trade assets. I'll just think of Kuzma as the number 2 pick and Lonzo as the number 27 pick so it makes it less painful to get rid of him.

Lonzo's "mentality" has nothing to do with his inability to make a layup. He can't make a layup because he doesn't have the ability to do it and he hasn't been trained to do so. His mentality has nothing to do with it. Now the Lakers are asking him to attack the basket. That's like asking an English teacher to start teaching math. Good thing the Lakers are dominating their opponents so that Lonzo's "practice session" doesn't affect the outcome of the games.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:38 am    Post subject:

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Nice, so you’d still draft Lonzo no. 2 after seeing what you’ve seen?

You’d still pass on Fox?


This is a fair monday morning QB question, Tatum, Fox, Mitchell, Markanen, Dennis Smith, Kuzma, Hart. Lonzo top 5 with Tatum, Fox, Mitchell, Markanen


One of these names is not like the other.
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Nice, so you’d still draft Lonzo no. 2 after seeing what you’ve seen?

You’d still pass on Fox?


This is a fair monday morning QB question, Tatum, Fox, Mitchell, Markanen, Dennis Smith, Kuzma, Hart. Lonzo top 5 with Tatum, Fox, Mitchell, Markanen


One of these names is not like the other.


And where is John Collins?
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I think it would be a lot harder for Fox to find a roll on this Lakers team. LeBron has the ball a majority of the time, then Kuzma, Ingram, Rondo and Stephenson all trying to be facilitators. Nobody is taking the ball from Fox in Sacramento. Pretty much that whole team is young and there is zero pressure.

Yes I hate the way Luke uses Lonzo. I actually believed the notion that LeBron wanted to be off the ball more. Obviously, that is not happening. The everybody spread out and watch LeBron dominate offense does not work well with how Lonzo plays the game.

If I’m drafting for this team I’m taking Kuzma, but then we’re getting worked on defense. If I’m drafting for last years team I’m taking Lonzo. I’m glad we have both for life after LeBron. I think these two in 3 years are going to be a lot of fun to watch.

Fox has had a hot month though. I still take Zo and I still think he’ll have a better career. I hope he’s a Laker for life


Whether it's hard to find a role or not, talent is talent. What you're saying is that - LeBron and Luke are just going to ignore talent. And that's a pretty big indictment on them.

I mean, there's ways for talent to shine through - limited opportunities on the court, or opportunities during practice.

You're saying, no matter what he shows he can do, Luke and LeBron will ignore all that and simply put him in a corner, because they have no use for a highly efficient scoring/shooting pg in our system.

And yet, we're all hoping Lonzo improves offensively because if he does, you feel we'll use him? And how long does this last if Fox keeps on improving? LeBron will never recognize his talents? Luke will continually ignore his talents? They're that stubborn/dense?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:42 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
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Nice, so you’d still draft Lonzo no. 2 after seeing what you’ve seen?

You’d still pass on Fox?


This is a fair monday morning QB question, Tatum, Fox, Mitchell, Markanen, Dennis Smith, Kuzma, Hart. Lonzo top 5 with Tatum, Fox, Mitchell, Markanen


One of these names is not like the other.


And where is John Collins?


Rank them yourself RF, I just typed it quick Lonzo still justify top-5 pick
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Fox has had a hot month though.


I don't know how many games you think they play in a month, but Sacramento's played 25 games so far. That's 30% of an NBA season, or around 80% of a full NCAA season.

And in 25 games, he's had 4 bad games. That's pretty consistent.
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I think it would be a lot harder for Fox to find a roll on this Lakers team. LeBron has the ball a majority of the time, then Kuzma, Ingram, Rondo and Stephenson all trying to be facilitators. Nobody is taking the ball from Fox in Sacramento. Pretty much that whole team is young and there is zero pressure.

Yes I hate the way Luke uses Lonzo. I actually believed the notion that LeBron wanted to be off the ball more. Obviously, that is not happening. The everybody spread out and watch LeBron dominate offense does not work well with how Lonzo plays the game.

If I’m drafting for this team I’m taking Kuzma, but then we’re getting worked on defense. If I’m drafting for last years team I’m taking Lonzo. I’m glad we have both for life after LeBron. I think these two in 3 years are going to be a lot of fun to watch.

Fox has had a hot month though. I still take Zo and I still think he’ll have a better career. I hope he’s a Laker for life


Whether it's hard to find a role or not, talent is talent. What you're saying is that - LeBron and Luke are just going to ignore talent. And that's a pretty big indictment on them.

I mean, there's ways for talent to shine through - limited opportunities on the court, or opportunities during practice.

You're saying, no matter what he shows he can do, Luke and LeBron will ignore all that and simply put him in a corner, because they have no use for a highly efficient scoring/shooting pg in our system.

And yet, we're all hoping Lonzo improves offensively because if he does, you feel we'll use him? And how long does this last if Fox keeps on improving? LeBron will never recognize his talents? Luke will continually ignore his talents? They're that stubborn/dense?


There is ways for talent to shine through like defense and rebounding, but for some people that’s not enough. They want guys to immediately play like all stars or they ship them out.

What I’m saying is that our style of play does not work towards his strengths, just like they don’t work towards Lonzos.
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Fox has had a hot month though.


I don't know how many games you think they play in a month, but Sacramento's played 25 games so far. That's 30% of an NBA season, or around 80% of a full NCAA season.

And in 25 games, he's had 4 bad games. That's pretty consistent.


For Lonzo, it's the opposite. 26 games in, he's had like 4 good games. That's pretty consistent, too.
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I think it would be a lot harder for Fox to find a roll on this Lakers team. LeBron has the ball a majority of the time, then Kuzma, Ingram, Rondo and Stephenson all trying to be facilitators. Nobody is taking the ball from Fox in Sacramento. Pretty much that whole team is young and there is zero pressure.

Yes I hate the way Luke uses Lonzo. I actually believed the notion that LeBron wanted to be off the ball more. Obviously, that is not happening. The everybody spread out and watch LeBron dominate offense does not work well with how Lonzo plays the game.

If I’m drafting for this team I’m taking Kuzma, but then we’re getting worked on defense. If I’m drafting for last years team I’m taking Lonzo. I’m glad we have both for life after LeBron. I think these two in 3 years are going to be a lot of fun to watch.

Fox has had a hot month though. I still take Zo and I still think he’ll have a better career. I hope he’s a Laker for life


Whether it's hard to find a role or not, talent is talent. What you're saying is that - LeBron and Luke are just going to ignore talent. And that's a pretty big indictment on them.

I mean, there's ways for talent to shine through - limited opportunities on the court, or opportunities during practice.

You're saying, no matter what he shows he can do, Luke and LeBron will ignore all that and simply put him in a corner, because they have no use for a highly efficient scoring/shooting pg in our system.

And yet, we're all hoping Lonzo improves offensively because if he does, you feel we'll use him? And how long does this last if Fox keeps on improving? LeBron will never recognize his talents? Luke will continually ignore his talents? They're that stubborn/dense?


There is ways for talent to shine through like defense and rebounding, but for some people that’s not enough. They want guys to immediately play like all stars or they ship them out.

What I’m saying is that our style of play does not work towards his strengths, just like they don’t work towards Lonzos.


Wait, so why would you still absolutely draft Lonzo if our style of play doesn't work toward his strengths? Are you expecting us to change our style of play?
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Fox has had a hot month though.


I don't know how many games you think they play in a month, but Sacramento's played 25 games so far. That's 30% of an NBA season, or around 80% of a full NCAA season.

And in 25 games, he's had 4 bad games. That's pretty consistent.


The first 8 games he shot 21% from 3, then in 13 games in November he shot 46%. That’s a good month
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Fox plays with 3 shooters (Hield, Shumpert, Bjelica, plus Bogdanovic off the bench) and a very good pnr center in Cauley-Stein. Hes running the offense for his team (that is currently overachieving, lets see where they are come April), and his skillset fits well into what they have (ball dominant PG playing on a team that spreads the floor well). He has improved big time as a shooter and that helps him generate points in addition to him attacking the rim well. So far hes been very good.

Lonzo on the other hand doesent have the traditional scoring tools of what youd expect from an NBA player, especially a guard. He cant shoot well off the dribble, he doesent have a reliable floater, so coming off pnr's hes not a big threat. Most off his points come off ball, catch and shoot 3s and cutting dunks/layups, with his trademark step back 3 his only reliable scoring tool. Quite obviously not your prototype NBA elite point guard who you spread the floor for and let him do his thing. However, his court vision, defense and rebounding are all elite at the age of 21, and that is what makes him special. If he gets just one reliable scoring tool, while fixing his FT issue and remains a 3pt threat, hes gonna be an allstar. Its true that so far Fox pulled ahead of him, but its way to early to make definite claims on either. My guess is, once its all said and done, Lonzo is the one with the better career
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:05 am    Post subject:

Yikes, it got ugly in here... Lonzo was horrible last night but I’m happy with how he’s fit next to LeBron overall. I think he needs an offseason where he didn’t have surgery to refine is his offensive skill set to satisfy most fans. And this isn’t an indictment on anybody in the Lakers organization but if you think Fox would be averaging the same stats next to Bron, you haven’t been paying attention. Lonzo was better in college and as a rookie, let’s not jump to conclusions too quickly here.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:07 am    Post subject:

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I think it would be a lot harder for Fox to find a roll on this Lakers team. LeBron has the ball a majority of the time, then Kuzma, Ingram, Rondo and Stephenson all trying to be facilitators. Nobody is taking the ball from Fox in Sacramento. Pretty much that whole team is young and there is zero pressure.

Yes I hate the way Luke uses Lonzo. I actually believed the notion that LeBron wanted to be off the ball more. Obviously, that is not happening. The everybody spread out and watch LeBron dominate offense does not work well with how Lonzo plays the game.

If I’m drafting for this team I’m taking Kuzma, but then we’re getting worked on defense. If I’m drafting for last years team I’m taking Lonzo. I’m glad we have both for life after LeBron. I think these two in 3 years are going to be a lot of fun to watch.

Fox has had a hot month though. I still take Zo and I still think he’ll have a better career. I hope he’s a Laker for life


Whether it's hard to find a role or not, talent is talent. What you're saying is that - LeBron and Luke are just going to ignore talent. And that's a pretty big indictment on them.

I mean, there's ways for talent to shine through - limited opportunities on the court, or opportunities during practice.

You're saying, no matter what he shows he can do, Luke and LeBron will ignore all that and simply put him in a corner, because they have no use for a highly efficient scoring/shooting pg in our system.

And yet, we're all hoping Lonzo improves offensively because if he does, you feel we'll use him? And how long does this last if Fox keeps on improving? LeBron will never recognize his talents? Luke will continually ignore his talents? They're that stubborn/dense?


There is ways for talent to shine through like defense and rebounding, but for some people that’s not enough. They want guys to immediately play like all stars or they ship them out.

What I’m saying is that our style of play does not work towards his strengths, just like they don’t work towards Lonzos.


Why? Sac plays with even more pace than we do.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:11 am    Post subject:

Lakers need a shooting coach to work with shooting form and provide guidance to help them improve.

It's up to the players to actually put the work in and get the repetitions in.

It's disheartening that the Lakers won't bother to bring in a professional to help work with the players when it's clear they need it.
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