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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | Bol wrote: | I maintain that if Lonzo and Fox switched teams, Lonzo would look much better and Fox would struggle. One guy gets to do whatever he wants all game long with no competition, no risk of being pulled. The other gets to scrounge for scraps that LeBron doesn't want. It's just two totally different situations and disingenuous to compare, in my opinion. |
Fox is more advanced at stuff that directly relates to scoring. He’d be fine in LA. Lonzo didn’t have the summer to work, and it shows. But he’s got such amazing instincts, and he’s already an elite defensive force. |
Agreed.
And we're scary effective when Lonzo gets the defensive board and is the ignition switch for our offense. Same goes for Rondo. I like that continuity at the PG spot. With Fox we'd have to play 2 different ways. It could work. But I'm happy with what we have. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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JamaalWilkes Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Fox completely outplayed Ball head to head in the tournament and was the guy many of us wanted. Unfortunately, Magic picked Ball and told him he envisions a ball jersey being retired in the rafters.
It is what it is.
We can only hope Lonzo learns to shoot the basketball. |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Lonzosox wrote: | This is watchME, i got banned for trashing Lonzo the scrub. We picked the wrong guy. All this good defense is (bleep) the numbers don’t support the claim. He would do better in place of Fox? where was he last year when he had the opportunity? True is his handles suck, touch sucks, even his motor sucks. I’ll go to a real board where people are not so biased. Should of traded him when i suggested now it is too late.
LONZO sUCKS.
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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JamaalWilkes wrote: | Fox completely outplayed Ball head to head in the tournament and was the guy many of us wanted. Unfortunately, Magic picked Ball and told him he envisions a ball jersey being retired in the rafters.
It is what it is.
We can only hope Lonzo learns to shoot the basketball. |
Fox is the better player. But as far as young alternatives to Fox, I'm glad we have Lonzo. He fits well with our roster. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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Bol Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | Bol wrote: | I maintain that if Lonzo and Fox switched teams, Lonzo would look much better and Fox would struggle. One guy gets to do whatever he wants all game long with no competition, no risk of being pulled. The other gets to scrounge for scraps that LeBron doesn't want. It's just two totally different situations and disingenuous to compare, in my opinion. |
Fox is more advanced at stuff that directly relates to scoring. He’d be fine in LA. Lonzo didn’t have the summer to work, and it shows. But he’s got such amazing instincts, and he’s already an elite defensive force. |
I think Fox's opportunities would be limited compared to what he has now. He likes to do his thing off the dribble, and there aren't other guys on the Kings who take the ball out of his hands, not to mention they have MUCH better shooting (Kings are 2nd in the league in 3pt %). You don't think Lonzo would flourish with a greater opportunity to run the show and all those shooters around him? It'd be UCLA all over again. If nothing else, he would put up bigger numbers, which I believe is what a lot of people are looking for. |
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Lonzo was the consensus number 2 pick. The majority of Laker fans wanted him taken with the number 2 pick. It's too early to say how it's going to work out. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | Lonzo was the consensus number 2 pick. The majority of Laker fans wanted him taken with the number 2 pick. It's too early to say how it's going to work out. |
Many Laker fans wanted that second pick to be Tatum. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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NBA Draft Rumors: Lakers pushing for Jayson Tatum workout
The Lakers tryed to bring in Tatum. Not much you can do if he says no. Maybe he had a promise from Boston.
Quote: | The Lakers are pushing to land a workout with Duke lottery prospect Jayson Tatum, according to Chad Ford’s of ESPN’s latest draft update. LA’s front office is reportedly interested in getting a better idea about Tatum |
_________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Bol wrote: | I think Fox's opportunities would be limited compared to what he has now. He likes to do his thing off the dribble, and there aren't other guys on the Kings who take the ball out of his hands, not to mention they have MUCH better shooting (Kings are 2nd in the league in 3pt %). You don't think Lonzo would flourish with a greater opportunity to run the show and all those shooters around him? It'd be UCLA all over again. If nothing else, he would put up bigger numbers, which I believe is what a lot of people are looking for. |
If Kings had Lonzo instead of Fox, would they still be 2nd in the league in 3pt%? |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: | Bol wrote: | I think Fox's opportunities would be limited compared to what he has now. He likes to do his thing off the dribble, and there aren't other guys on the Kings who take the ball out of his hands, not to mention they have MUCH better shooting (Kings are 2nd in the league in 3pt %). You don't think Lonzo would flourish with a greater opportunity to run the show and all those shooters around him? It'd be UCLA all over again. If nothing else, he would put up bigger numbers, which I believe is what a lot of people are looking for. |
If Kings had Lonzo instead of Fox, would they still be 2nd in the league in 3pt%? |
Yeah. Just done in a different way.
I haven't forgotten how UCLA played alongside Lonzo. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | LakerLogic wrote: | Lonzo a more complete than Curry?
I've heard it all. |
I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic lol. |
Yup, it all depends on how people define "complete", but I'm sure it'll be something like this:
They'll break it down into categories and give checkmarks to each category, so:
1) Scoring
2) Defense
3) Rebounding
4) Passing
And by that logic, they can conclude that Lonzo is a more complete player than Curry. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | LongBeachPoly wrote: | Bol wrote: | I think Fox's opportunities would be limited compared to what he has now. He likes to do his thing off the dribble, and there aren't other guys on the Kings who take the ball out of his hands, not to mention they have MUCH better shooting (Kings are 2nd in the league in 3pt %). You don't think Lonzo would flourish with a greater opportunity to run the show and all those shooters around him? It'd be UCLA all over again. If nothing else, he would put up bigger numbers, which I believe is what a lot of people are looking for. |
If Kings had Lonzo instead of Fox, would they still be 2nd in the league in 3pt%? |
Yeah. Just done in a different way.
I haven't forgotten how UCLA played alongside Lonzo. |
Let me rephrase: a part of the reason the Kings are 2nd in 3pt % is because Fox shoots 41%.
If we substituted Lonzo's 3pt % of 31% for Fox's 41%, would the Kings still be 2nd in the league. |
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LakerSD wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Kid is gonna out the pieces together and be a unique impact piece. Already is without being able to score much. |
Let’s hope it happens. I worry about it from a mental perspective.
The more bad shooting or disengaged games he has, the more it could impact his psyche which is the dangerous part. I really don’t mind the bad shooting games for now so long as he is aggressive and finishes at above average rate at the rim. |
You missed when Lonzo said he's just going to keep shooting? He's also stayed aggressive on the offensive end even on these off games. So I'm not sure the problem/fear people had in the first 10 games is really as relevant now considering how aggressive Lonzo has been, whether his shot was falling or not. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Kid is gonna out the pieces together and be a unique impact piece. Already is without being able to score much. |
Let’s hope it happens. I worry about it from a mental perspective.
The more bad shooting or disengaged games he has, the more it could impact his psyche which is the dangerous part. I really don’t mind the bad shooting games for now so long as he is aggressive and finishes at above average rate at the rim. |
You missed when Lonzo said he's just going to keep shooting? He's also stayed aggressive on the offensive end even on these off games. So I'm not sure the problem/fear people had in the first 10 games is really as relevant now considering how aggressive Lonzo has been, whether his shot was falling or not. |
If the question is “who will be better 5 seasons from now?” I’m saying Lonzo. I’m 60/40 or 65/35 on it depending on how well Lonzo can develop on offense. I’m glad he keeps shooting, he needs to.
All I’m saying is right now Fox is the better player. I do have Lonzo eventually being better because I have faith that at his size he will start converting more at the rim. His shot will also improve with more reps and <ahem> a shooting coach. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | LakerLogic wrote: | Lonzo a more complete than Curry?
I've heard it all. |
I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic lol. |
In this particular thread, you never know. |
A thread that you're in. _________________ We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. |
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Christopher Walken Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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JamaalWilkes wrote: | Fox completely outplayed Ball head to head in the tournament and was the guy many of us wanted. Unfortunately, Magic picked Ball and told him he envisions a ball jersey being retired in the rafters.
It is what it is.
We can only hope Lonzo learns to shoot the basketball. |
AAAND Kentucky went down same as UCLA, they giving "participation trophies" in march now? _________________ We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Christopher Walken wrote: | JamaalWilkes wrote: | Fox completely outplayed Ball head to head in the tournament and was the guy many of us wanted. Unfortunately, Magic picked Ball and told him he envisions a ball jersey being retired in the rafters.
It is what it is.
We can only hope Lonzo learns to shoot the basketball. |
AAAND Kentucky went down same as UCLA, they giving "participation trophies" in march now? |
odd comeback |
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Bol Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | LongBeachPoly wrote: | Bol wrote: | I think Fox's opportunities would be limited compared to what he has now. He likes to do his thing off the dribble, and there aren't other guys on the Kings who take the ball out of his hands, not to mention they have MUCH better shooting (Kings are 2nd in the league in 3pt %). You don't think Lonzo would flourish with a greater opportunity to run the show and all those shooters around him? It'd be UCLA all over again. If nothing else, he would put up bigger numbers, which I believe is what a lot of people are looking for. |
If Kings had Lonzo instead of Fox, would they still be 2nd in the league in 3pt%? |
Yeah. Just done in a different way.
I haven't forgotten how UCLA played alongside Lonzo. |
Let me rephrase: a part of the reason the Kings are 2nd in 3pt % is because Fox shoots 41%.
If we substituted Lonzo's 3pt % of 31% for Fox's 41%, would the Kings still be 2nd in the league. |
That's really beside the point. The point is that Fox has better shooters around him than the Lakers. Do you disagree with that? Hield and Bjelica are scorching at well over 40%, Bogdanovic and Shumpert are hitting 37-38% on 4.5+ attempts. The Lakers only have Hart and LeBron anywhere near that.
For what it's worth, though it would obviously be more complex than this in reality, the Kings would fall to 5th if you took away Fox's 3's and added Lonzo's. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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^ And why do you think that might be? =) |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Bol wrote: | LongBeachPoly wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | LongBeachPoly wrote: | Bol wrote: | I think Fox's opportunities would be limited compared to what he has now. He likes to do his thing off the dribble, and there aren't other guys on the Kings who take the ball out of his hands, not to mention they have MUCH better shooting (Kings are 2nd in the league in 3pt %). You don't think Lonzo would flourish with a greater opportunity to run the show and all those shooters around him? It'd be UCLA all over again. If nothing else, he would put up bigger numbers, which I believe is what a lot of people are looking for. |
If Kings had Lonzo instead of Fox, would they still be 2nd in the league in 3pt%? |
Yeah. Just done in a different way.
I haven't forgotten how UCLA played alongside Lonzo. |
Let me rephrase: a part of the reason the Kings are 2nd in 3pt % is because Fox shoots 41%.
If we substituted Lonzo's 3pt % of 31% for Fox's 41%, would the Kings still be 2nd in the league. |
That's really beside the point. The point is that Fox has better shooters around him than the Lakers. Do you disagree with that? Hield and Bjelica are scorching at well over 40%, Bogdanovic and Shumpert are hitting 37-38% on 4.5+ attempts. The Lakers only have Hart and LeBron anywhere near that.
For what it's worth, though it would obviously be more complex than this in reality, the Kings would fall to 5th if you took away Fox's 3's and added Lonzo's. |
That's what I was asking. Thanks
So, what kind of big numbers do you think Lonzo would put up playing for the Kings?
And is Lonzo doomed playing for us because pretty much our core is what it is. |
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anth2000 Franchise Player
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The problem is some people think one year of college shows what a player will be in the pros. Nope....
I think he was lucky at UCLA....different game. He could just free flow and make some shots here and there. He really needs some help with his form and shot if he thinks he will ever be a solid NBA player.
He's got the court vision and the defense....needs to sharpen his confidence in shooting the rock. |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: |
Lonzo's also the more complete player compared to Steph Curry.
If Steph Curry isn't scoring, he isn't affecting the game neither |
Oh dear..
I see the stanhood is 💪 in this one. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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PauPau wrote: | LongBeachPoly wrote: |
Lonzo's also the more complete player compared to Steph Curry.
If Steph Curry isn't scoring, he isn't affecting the game neither |
Oh dear..
I see the stanhood is 💪 in this one. |
I think you two have found each other, it's serendipity.
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I love Lonzo's defense. I am confident enough to say that he is already one of the best defenders in the league. |
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