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yinoma2001
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| RI Laker wrote: | | Ariza is a shell of himself. Don't get caught up in the nostalgia of it. He can not shoot. I would rather keep KCP who is a better shooter and is starting to turn the corner. |
People said the same about Tyson. Ariza will be a role player. He was instrumental to the rockets (look at them now). Hard to play motivated onthat suns team.
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | I don't really like the idea of making our 3 point shooting even worse tbh |
Ariza and KCP shoot about the same from 3. Ariza provides more defensive versatility, better rebounding and playmaking. |
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It gonna lie. Ariza is one of my favorite “too short of a Lakers stint” guys
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Surfitall wrote: | | Man, just when KCP has started producing for us. Maybe that’s the point. |
I’m thinking he wants to reestablish his value and right now he’s stuck behind others. |
yeah that's an interesting possible angle to this
maybe we're actually doing KCP/his agent a favor by dealing him |
Yup. Another possible angle is we kind of owe Phoenix a sold for releasing Chandler right away, rather than wait. Lakers and Suns seem to have a good business relationship, which is great to see. |
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Aussiesuede
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If this trade goes through, then end of game scenarios are going to become downright comical since the team will have lost it's only free throw shooter. I don't see how Lebron signs on to a scenario that increases his opportunities to choke more games away on the free throw line. This trade moves the needle on overall team success a bit in the negative direction or a best a complete wash.
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | I don't really like the idea of making our 3 point shooting even worse tbh |
Ariza and KCP shoot about the same from 3. Ariza provides more defensive versatility, better rebounding and playmaking. |
I still think KCP is a better shooter. Ariza might be able to guard more positions because of his length, but KCP is a far better perimeter defender. Perimeter D is a huge weakness of ours. |
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| Aussiesuede wrote: | If this trade goes through, then end of game scenarios are going to become downright comical since the team will have lost it's only free throw shooter. I don't see how Lebron signs on to a scenario that increases his opportunities to choke more games away on the free throw line. This trade moves the needle on overall team success a bit in the negative direction or a best a complete wash.
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| RI Laker wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | I don't really like the idea of making our 3 point shooting even worse tbh |
Ariza and KCP shoot about the same from 3. Ariza provides more defensive versatility, better rebounding and playmaking. |
I still think KCP is a better shooter. Ariza might be able to guard more positions because of his length, but KCP is a far better perimeter defender. Perimeter D is a huge weakness of ours. |
I actually think this is KCP driven as he wants to play more to reestablish his FA value. Knows Lakers aren’t likely to keep him. Why else would they float this to WOJ without already consulting with KCP and Rich Paul?
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| Some of you guys are really downgrading what Ariza can provide for this team, the Suns are a *** hole with no direction or identity any player that goes there will look bad, Ariza is the type of player we need if we want to make a deep playoff run. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | I don't really like the idea of making our 3 point shooting even worse tbh |
Ariza and KCP shoot about the same from 3. Ariza provides more defensive versatility, better rebounding and playmaking. |
I still think KCP is a better shooter. Ariza might be able to guard more positions because of his length, but KCP is a far better perimeter defender. Perimeter D is a huge weakness of ours. |
I actually think this is KCP driven as he wants to play more to reestablish his FA value. Knows Lakers aren’t likely to keep him. Why else would they float this to WOJ without already consulting with KCP and Rich Paul? |
No question about it. I don't think the FO would do anything to jeopardize relations with Paul. |
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James Jones is sun's agent so he will pay KCP next summer.
Lakers need a bigger guard |
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yinoma2001
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| RI Laker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | I don't really like the idea of making our 3 point shooting even worse tbh |
Ariza and KCP shoot about the same from 3. Ariza provides more defensive versatility, better rebounding and playmaking. |
I still think KCP is a better shooter. Ariza might be able to guard more positions because of his length, but KCP is a far better perimeter defender. Perimeter D is a huge weakness of ours. |
I actually think this is KCP driven as he wants to play more to reestablish his FA value. Knows Lakers aren’t likely to keep him. Why else would they float this to WOJ without already consulting with KCP and Rich Paul? |
No question about it. I don't think the FO would do anything to jeopardize relations with Paul. |
It makes sense. They want to do KCP well, Ariza is a beloved Laker and they just need to find a third team.
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| Hart/Ariza > Ingram/KCP |
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James Jones is on that future Lakers executive career path  |
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And if this deal goes through, ScoopB fans all collapse in despair because there's no reasonable way Lakers can trade for Davis this season.
Which is actually the way I prefer it because I love our young core :3 |
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| scoobs wrote: | | Hart/Ariza > Ingram/KCP |
Facts |
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Not sold, we got a perimeter guy who can't shoot in Ingram, why trade our solid backup sg/sf who is also the teams best free throw shooter?
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Not sold, we got a perimeter guy who can't shoot in Ingram, why trade our solid backup sg/sf who is also the teams best free throw shooter?
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| waterman40 wrote: | | Not sold, we got a perimeter guy who can't shoot in Ingram, why trade our solid backup sg/sf who is also the teams best free throw shooter? |
47% on FG attempts
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html
Were is the talk coming from that BI doesn’t know how shoot? He shoots better then Butler and Kawhi at the same age.
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| RI Laker wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | I don't really like the idea of making our 3 point shooting even worse tbh |
Ariza and KCP shoot about the same from 3. Ariza provides more defensive versatility, better rebounding and playmaking. |
I still think KCP is a better shooter. Ariza might be able to guard more positions because of his length, but KCP is a far better perimeter defender. Perimeter D is a huge weakness of ours. |
I disagree, I don't think KCP is a far better perimeter defender. I think he's a lazy defender often times. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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What will be Randle's value in open market next summer? Dude showing up with 28/6/5 even when AD has an off day.
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | if we trade KCP.
Do we have enough salary fillers alongside BI and Lonzo to trade for AD? |
More than likely we don’t have the assets they would want
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There seems to be a misconception among Laker fans that KCP is a good 3pt shooter .. if you never looked up his numbers you’d think he was a career 40% from deep the way fans talk about him
The reality is that hes slightly below 35% for his career and hes not a better shooter than Ariza, its actually pretty equal, slight edge to Trevor .. |
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