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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | cital wrote: | My 2 cents... The only trade that has been brought up that I would probably make is Kuzma and fillers for Bogdan.. Other than that, I would still be shopping Cook and/or Daniels along with a 2nd to see what I could get (probably nothing) because if we were to sign Collision and by some chance Iguodala, we would most likely waive those 2 players anyway...
On another topic... who would you guys rather have on this team, Jeff Green or Jae Crowder? |
Are we trading for Bogdan and then paying him this summer? |
Thats a good point... I wonder if he would take a 1 year max deal? Probably not, but I don't see how else we keep him, I don't think our front office gives up on the Giannis dream.
I actually believe Davis will sign a 1 + 1 deal with us this summer and opt out again (if healthy) summer of 2021. |
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LakerMindLA
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | The player that deserves to be cut is Rondo. |
Or Cousins. At least Rondo is good one game out of a dozen. |
It’ll be interesting to see if we think it’s worth keeping Cousins for chemistry reasons, or whether he gets used as salary filler in a trade (probably won’t get cut). See if we think he’s important to how we gel off the court |
I think the Lakers want to keep Cousins so they can offer him $4.2m next year as a free agent. |
I know you’re joking but in all seriousness, there’s no way Cousins gets more than the minimum next year |
I am not joking. The Lakers want to keep Cousin's next year and be able to offer him something above the minimum without using any of the exceptions. I wouldn't be shocked if Cousin's ends his career as a Laker. |
Why you need to offer more then vet min when the guy is now out for nearly 2 seasons |
Why not offer him the $4.2 if we can? It doesn't cut into the BAE or the MLE?
There is no guarantee that a team doesn't decide that when looking at the risk/reward, that it makes sense to offer him more than the min. Do I think someone will offer him $10m a year - no. Do I think there are teams that will offer him $4-5m a year - yes. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | The player that deserves to be cut is Rondo. |
Or Cousins. At least Rondo is good one game out of a dozen. |
It’ll be interesting to see if we think it’s worth keeping Cousins for chemistry reasons, or whether he gets used as salary filler in a trade (probably won’t get cut). See if we think he’s important to how we gel off the court |
I think the Lakers want to keep Cousins so they can offer him $4.2m next year as a free agent. |
I know you’re joking but in all seriousness, there’s no way Cousins gets more than the minimum next year |
I am not joking. The Lakers want to keep Cousin's next year and be able to offer him something above the minimum without using any of the exceptions. I wouldn't be shocked if Cousin's ends his career as a Laker. |
Why you need to offer more then vet min when the guy is now out for nearly 2 seasons |
Why not offer him the $4.2 if we can? It doesn't cut into the BAE or the MLE?
There is no guarantee that a team doesn't decide that when looking at the risk/reward, that it makes sense to offer him more than the min. Do I think someone will offer him $10m a year - no. Do I think there are teams that will offer him $4-5m a year - yes. |
Nobody offered him more this year. Another year gone with injury. I doubt any team offers him anything closer to 4/5mil |
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LakerMindLA
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | The player that deserves to be cut is Rondo. |
Or Cousins. At least Rondo is good one game out of a dozen. |
It’ll be interesting to see if we think it’s worth keeping Cousins for chemistry reasons, or whether he gets used as salary filler in a trade (probably won’t get cut). See if we think he’s important to how we gel off the court |
I think the Lakers want to keep Cousins so they can offer him $4.2m next year as a free agent. |
I know you’re joking but in all seriousness, there’s no way Cousins gets more than the minimum next year |
I am not joking. The Lakers want to keep Cousin's next year and be able to offer him something above the minimum without using any of the exceptions. I wouldn't be shocked if Cousin's ends his career as a Laker. |
Why you need to offer more then vet min when the guy is now out for nearly 2 seasons |
Why not offer him the $4.2 if we can? It doesn't cut into the BAE or the MLE?
There is no guarantee that a team doesn't decide that when looking at the risk/reward, that it makes sense to offer him more than the min. Do I think someone will offer him $10m a year - no. Do I think there are teams that will offer him $4-5m a year - yes. |
Nobody offered him more this year. Another year gone with injury. I doubt any team offers him anything closer to 4/5mil |
Ever offseason has different dynamics. A team like Portland that has just missed the playoffs might think the reward outweighs the risk. GSW could use him again now that they are trying to win. It is hard to know what teams will do when we are discussing a player in 4-5m range.
He is still <30, two years removed from Achilles, been a relatively good teammate for 2 years surrounded by vets and winning cultures. Giving him 4-5m isn’t that outrageous. It isn’t like say a Deng is Moz deal. |
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| suggestion: Bradley & Cook to NY for Payton and Trier |
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| cital wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | cital wrote: | My 2 cents... The only trade that has been brought up that I would probably make is Kuzma and fillers for Bogdan.. Other than that, I would still be shopping Cook and/or Daniels along with a 2nd to see what I could get (probably nothing) because if we were to sign Collision and by some chance Iguodala, we would most likely waive those 2 players anyway...
On another topic... who would you guys rather have on this team, Jeff Green or Jae Crowder? |
Are we trading for Bogdan and then paying him this summer? |
Thats a good point... I wonder if he would take a 1 year max deal? Probably not, but I don't see how else we keep him, I don't think our front office gives up on the Giannis dream.
I actually believe Davis will sign a 1 + 1 deal with us this summer and opt out again (if healthy) summer of 2021. |
You can still trade Bogdan in the summer of 2021 to open up cap space for Giannis, if necessary. Also, AD is looking likely to sign a 2+1 deal, just like Kawhi did, so that it gets him to the 10+ year max contract level on his next deal. Also allows him to assess where the Lakers are a bit sooner than if he committed for the full max deal. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | The player that deserves to be cut is Rondo. |
Or Cousins. At least Rondo is good one game out of a dozen. |
It’ll be interesting to see if we think it’s worth keeping Cousins for chemistry reasons, or whether he gets used as salary filler in a trade (probably won’t get cut). See if we think he’s important to how we gel off the court |
I think the Lakers want to keep Cousins so they can offer him $4.2m next year as a free agent. |
I know you’re joking but in all seriousness, there’s no way Cousins gets more than the minimum next year |
I am not joking. The Lakers want to keep Cousin's next year and be able to offer him something above the minimum without using any of the exceptions. I wouldn't be shocked if Cousin's ends his career as a Laker. |
He might have
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | The player that deserves to be cut is Rondo. |
Or Cousins. At least Rondo is good one game out of a dozen. |
It’ll be interesting to see if we think it’s worth keeping Cousins for chemistry reasons, or whether he gets used as salary filler in a trade (probably won’t get cut). See if we think he’s important to how we gel off the court |
I think the Lakers want to keep Cousins so they can offer him $4.2m next year as a free agent. |
I know you’re joking but in all seriousness, there’s no way Cousins gets more than the minimum next year |
I am not joking. The Lakers want to keep Cousin's next year and be able to offer him something above the minimum without using any of the exceptions. I wouldn't be shocked if Cousin's ends his career as a Laker. |
Why you need to offer more then vet min when the guy is now out for nearly 2 seasons |
Why not offer him the $4.2 if we can? It doesn't cut into the BAE or the MLE?
There is no guarantee that a team doesn't decide that when looking at the risk/reward, that it makes sense to offer him more than the min. Do I think someone will offer him $10m a year - no. Do I think there are teams that will offer him $4-5m a year - yes. |
Let some other team make that mistake
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alleyoop
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| Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | suggestion: Bradley & Cook to NY for Payton and Trier |
Isn’t Payton just young Rondo?
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| Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| alleyoop wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | suggestion: Bradley & Cook to NY for Payton and Trier |
Isn’t Payton just young Rondo? |
He gives us another weapon at the PG spot and he’s more reliable then Rondo for sure. |
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alleyoop
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | suggestion: Bradley & Cook to NY for Payton and Trier |
Isn’t Payton just young Rondo? |
He gives us another weapon at the PG spot and he’s more reliable then Rondo for sure. |
Is he though? He’s shooting 23% from deep so I can’t see him working with Bron at all when both are on the court. We need a PG that has good shooting, or someone like Rose who is very good at creating his own shot
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| Payton is a better penetrating passer than Rondo, so that would help AD. also a much better defender than Rondo.. but yea he can't shoot so that makes it difficult w Bron |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Payton is a better penetrating passer than Rondo, so that would help AD. also a much better defender than Rondo.. but yea he can't shoot so that makes it difficult w Bron |
I think I’m at the point where I’d just love to have a very offensively-capable PG, we have Caruso, Bradley, Green and KCP as our guard/small forward defenders. Someone that can run the offense and help score by either being more than capable from outside or creating their own shot inside
Where Rondo’s hurting us isn’t necessarily on defense IMO, it’s his slow pace and decision making combined with his lack of strength and shooting inconsistency
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logical24
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Just saw a post from Vincent ellis on Instagram
The #Lakers are seeking a potential deal to acquire #Wizards G Bradley Beal before the trade deadline. The "ideal thought' is to package F Kyle Kuzma and future first round pick in offer, Per Vincent Ellis.
The Instagram page is @Lakersonline
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| alleyoop wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | suggestion: Bradley & Cook to NY for Payton and Trier |
Isn’t Payton just young Rondo? |
He gives us another weapon at the PG spot and he’s more reliable then Rondo for sure. |
Is he though? He’s shooting 23% from deep so I can’t see him working with Bron at all when both are on the court. We need a PG that has good shooting, or someone like Rose who is very good at creating his own shot |
If we were to get Payton hopefully Lethal shooter can work his magic he’s done a amazing job with KCP. |
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Lol that’s false, how can we give the Wizards a first?
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| logical24 wrote: | Just saw a post from Vincent ellis on Instagram
The #Lakers are seeking a potential deal to acquire #Wizards G Bradley Beal before the trade deadline. The "ideal thought' is to package F Kyle Kuzma and future first round pick in offer, Per Vincent Ellis.
The Instagram page is @Lakersonline
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Sounds bogus |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | suggestion: Bradley & Cook to NY for Payton and Trier |
Isn’t Payton just young Rondo? |
He gives us another weapon at the PG spot and he’s more reliable then Rondo for sure. |
Is he though? He’s shooting 23% from deep so I can’t see him working with Bron at all when both are on the court. We need a PG that has good shooting, or someone like Rose who is very good at creating his own shot |
If we were to get Payton hopefully Lethal shooter can work his magic he’s done a amazing job with KCP. |
Yeah that’s fair, although it might be hard to teach a man to shoot in 2 months but hey anything’s possible 
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LakerMindLA
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| logical24 wrote: | Just saw a post from Vincent ellis on Instagram
The #Lakers are seeking a potential deal to acquire #Wizards G Bradley Beal before the trade deadline. The "ideal thought' is to package F Kyle Kuzma and future first round pick in offer, Per Vincent Ellis.
The Instagram page is @Lakersonline
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Lakers don't have the salary to trade for Beal. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | suggestion: Bradley & Cook to NY for Payton and Trier |
You don't make a trade unless it clearly makes us better. This trade doesn't move the needle enough risk chemistry. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | logical24 wrote: | Just saw a post from Vincent ellis on Instagram
The #Lakers are seeking a potential deal to acquire #Wizards G Bradley Beal before the trade deadline. The "ideal thought' is to package F Kyle Kuzma and future first round pick in offer, Per Vincent Ellis.
The Instagram page is @Lakersonline
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Lakers don't have the salary to trade for Beal. |
Actually, we do. HOWEVER...
Beal cannot be traded until April, due to the extension he signed in October. In other words, he can't be traded until the offseason. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | suggestion: Bradley & Cook to NY for Payton and Trier |
You don't make a trade unless it clearly makes us better. This trade doesn't move the needle enough risk chemistry. |
The trade Improves our PG spot and Alonzo Trier is a worse version of Lou Williams but I respect your opinion  |
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LakerMindLA
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | logical24 wrote: | Just saw a post from Vincent ellis on Instagram
The #Lakers are seeking a potential deal to acquire #Wizards G Bradley Beal before the trade deadline. The "ideal thought' is to package F Kyle Kuzma and future first round pick in offer, Per Vincent Ellis.
The Instagram page is @Lakersonline
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Lakers don't have the salary to trade for Beal. |
Actually, we do. HOWEVER...
Beal cannot be traded until April, due to the extension he signed in October. In other words, he can't be traded until the offseason. |
We do if we wanted to gut the team. Even if he could be traded before April, it would take 4 or 5 players to trade for him. |
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| cital wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | cital wrote: | My 2 cents... The only trade that has been brought up that I would probably make is Kuzma and fillers for Bogdan.. Other than that, I would still be shopping Cook and/or Daniels along with a 2nd to see what I could get (probably nothing) because if we were to sign Collision and by some chance Iguodala, we would most likely waive those 2 players anyway...
On another topic... who would you guys rather have on this team, Jeff Green or Jae Crowder? |
Are we trading for Bogdan and then paying him this summer? |
Thats a good point... I wonder if he would take a 1 year max deal? Probably not, but I don't see how else we keep him, I don't think our front office gives up on the Giannis dream.
I actually believe Davis will sign a 1 + 1 deal with us this summer and opt out again (if healthy) summer of 2021. |
Giannis isn't coming to LA. As he's said before he prefers small markets; probably a Buck for years to come...I'd hate to hold out ala Leonard, when we could get good players, that want to be here...
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | suggestion: Bradley & Cook to NY for Payton and Trier |
You don't make a trade unless it clearly makes us better. This trade doesn't move the needle enough risk chemistry. |
The trade Improves our PG spot and Alonzo Trier is a worse version of Lou Williams but I respect your opinion |
There are two sides of the court. Bradley has his role defensively. Trier has been bad this year.
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