Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:58 pm Post subject:
governator wrote:
So who’s the keepers and who should be traded/upgraded Mike?
Honestly, I'm just waiting for MLE and the results of this roster, because absolutely no team wants to help LAL even if *we* think these are reasonable trades.
I'm not even looking much farther than Marc Gasol, Paul Millsap, Moe Harkless, and DJ Augustin, and all of these guys are contingent on just signing MLE for 1 year only.
When it comes to undrafted guys or vet min types that I'm VERY confident LAL can get?
Jemerrio Jones
Jon Teske
Yves Ponds
Johnathan Williams
Trevelin Queen
I'm even forgetting some shooters.
Immannuel Quickley _________________ Resident Car Nut.
who is a guy like Oubre that can be solid when given the opportunity?
I prefer to trade the 28th pick and Green for that player
OG Anouby... just signed with Klutch as well and can be real solid given the right opportunity and minutes.. not sure if you would be willing to give up Green and the 1st round pick for him though.
So who’s the keepers and who should be traded/upgraded Mike?
Honestly, I'm just waiting for MLE and the results of this roster, because absolutely no team wants to help LAL even if *we* think these are reasonable trades.
I'm not even looking much farther than Marc Gasol, Paul Millsap, Moe Harkless, and DJ Augustin, and all of these guys are contingent on just signing MLE for 1 year only.
When it comes to undrafted guys or vet min types that I'm VERY confident LAL can get?
Jemerrio Jones
Jon Teske
Yves Ponds
Johnathan Williams
Trevelin Queen
I'm even forgetting some shooters.
Immannuel Quickley
Jemerrio Jones - yes
Jon Teske - can he guard NBA athletes??
Yves Ponds - ?? Is this the super run and jump athlete?
Johnathan Williams - perimeter defense a + but would possibly be the worst shooter in the NBA
Trevelin Queen and Immannuel Quickley - nice developmental prospects
who is a guy like Oubre that can be solid when given the opportunity?
I prefer to trade the 28th pick and Green for that player
OG Anouby... just signed with Klutch as well and can be real solid given the right opportunity and minutes.. not sure if you would be willing to give up Green and the 1st round pick for him though.
who is a guy like Oubre that can be solid when given the opportunity?
I prefer to trade the 28th pick and Green for that player
OG Anouby... just signed with Klutch as well and can be real solid given the right opportunity and minutes.. not sure if you would be willing to give up Green and the 1st round pick for him though.
Toronto I believe says No.
It really depends the value they hold for Green, Green could have been useful against the Celtics scorers for example something they could have used and might increase there interest in Green.
who is a guy like Oubre that can be solid when given the opportunity?
I prefer to trade the 28th pick and Green for that player
OG Anouby... just signed with Klutch as well and can be real solid given the right opportunity and minutes.. not sure if you would be willing to give up Green and the 1st round pick for him though.
Toronto I believe says No.
It really depends the value they hold for Green, Green could have been useful against the Celtics scorers for example something they could have used and might increase there interest in Green.
OG is not going anywhere after his strong playoffs specially for D Green
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:05 pm Post subject:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
governator wrote:
So who’s the keepers and who should be traded/upgraded Mike?
Honestly, I'm just waiting for MLE and the results of this roster, because absolutely no team wants to help LAL even if *we* think these are reasonable trades.
I'm not even looking much farther than Marc Gasol, Paul Millsap, Moe Harkless, and DJ Augustin, and all of these guys are contingent on just signing MLE for 1 year only.
When it comes to undrafted guys or vet min types that I'm VERY confident LAL can get?
Jemerrio Jones
Jon Teske
Yves Ponds
Johnathan Williams
Trevelin Queen
I'm even forgetting some shooters.
Immannuel Quickley
Jemerrio Jones - yes
Jon Teske - can he guard NBA athletes??
Yves Ponds - ?? Is this the super run and jump athlete?
Johnathan Williams - perimeter defense a + but would possibly be the worst shooter in the NBA
Trevelin Queen and Immannuel Quickley - nice developmental prospects
Teske's defense declined under Juwan Howard, but I'll still give him a shot because he's a willing defending 5 that will shoot 3s.
Yve Ponds is an on/off motor super athlete. But you know, Andre Roberson.
Johnathan Williams - Even then still not as concerned. Who knows if LAL will even keep McGee? Still a good idea to keep a 3rd big because it works.
Queen and Quickley may go 2nd round to undrafted but sure.
My point is, these are the types of players willing to take on veteran min contracts and have upside, not established vets so readily friendly to take on huge drops in salary.
Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29354 Location: La La Land
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:33 pm Post subject:
activeverb wrote:
kikanga wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
But we're still looking for a 3rd option. Just saying PG13 would have been perfect.
I think that's our biggest area of need as LBJ turns 36 soon. He can't be the dominant offensive engine forever. Who can be that for the MLE/trade?
We've pushed all our chips into the center of the table for 2-3 championships with Bron. We knew what we signed up for. Bron leaves every team he's been on decimated. Expecting sustained success past 2022 isn't realistic IMO.
I'd say Lebron has left every team he's been on with a banner.
They are only "decimated" to the extent that any successful team tends to decline significantly when a superstar leaves -- just ask the Bucks when Kareem left, or the Magic when Shaq left, or us when Shaq left.
In the modern NBA, I am not sure "sustained success" is a reasonable goal anymore. Superstars tend to come and go as they pleased now, and the CBA gives them greater flexibility to do so. You need to strike when the iron is hot.
Not the Cavs the 1st time.
He gives you chips. He also gives you a dip. Because he pressures front offices to trade future assets for vets who can help immediately.
I'm not gonna pretend he doesn't elevate the team more than any other player when he's there. But I'm also not gonna pretend things aren't in shambles to a degree that is proportional once he leaves. For example, don't expect us to look like Toronto this year when he leaves. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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But we're still looking for a 3rd option. Just saying PG13 would have been perfect.
I think that's our biggest area of need as LBJ turns 36 soon. He can't be the dominant offensive engine forever. Who can be that for the MLE/trade?
We've pushed all our chips into the center of the table for 2-3 championships with Bron. We knew what we signed up for. Bron leaves every team he's been on decimated. Expecting sustained success past 2022 isn't realistic IMO.
I'd say Lebron has left every team he's been on with a banner.
They are only "decimated" to the extent that any successful team tends to decline significantly when a superstar leaves -- just ask the Bucks when Kareem left, or the Magic when Shaq left, or us when Shaq left.
In the modern NBA, I am not sure "sustained success" is a reasonable goal anymore. Superstars tend to come and go as they pleased now, and the CBA gives them greater flexibility to do so. You need to strike when the iron is hot.
Not the Cavs the 1st time.
He gives you chips. He all gives you a dip. Because he pressures front offices to trade future assets for vets who can help immediately.
I'm not gonna pretend he doesn't elevate the team more than any other player when he's there. But I'm also not gonna pretend things aren't in shambles to a degree that is proportional once he leaves. For example, don't expect us to look like Toronto this year when he leaves.
Dan Gilbert was lucky to have Lebron the first time. He was and is probably the cheapest owner in the NBA who refused to get Lebron any help the first time he was there. During his first run Lebron may have had 1 other all star on his team for 1 year, that's it.
Which is why Lebron refused to sign a long term deal with Gilbert the second time, to force him to make moves.
I have no problem with Lebron leaving in that first run and leaving Gilbert with the rest of the rubbish team he built.
But we're still looking for a 3rd option. Just saying PG13 would have been perfect.
I think that's our biggest area of need as LBJ turns 36 soon. He can't be the dominant offensive engine forever. Who can be that for the MLE/trade?
We've pushed all our chips into the center of the table for 2-3 championships with Bron. We knew what we signed up for. Bron leaves every team he's been on decimated. Expecting sustained success past 2022 isn't realistic IMO.
I'd say Lebron has left every team he's been on with a banner.
They are only "decimated" to the extent that any successful team tends to decline significantly when a superstar leaves -- just ask the Bucks when Kareem left, or the Magic when Shaq left, or us when Shaq left.
In the modern NBA, I am not sure "sustained success" is a reasonable goal anymore. Superstars tend to come and go as they pleased now, and the CBA gives them greater flexibility to do so. You need to strike when the iron is hot.
Not the Cavs the 1st time.
He gives you chips. He also gives you a dip. Because he pressures front offices to trade future assets for vets who can help immediately.
I'm not gonna pretend he doesn't elevate the team more than any other player when he's there. But I'm also not gonna pretend things aren't in shambles to a degree that is proportional once he leaves. For example, don't expect us to look like Toronto this year when he leaves.
but because AD is so young we are going to be good once lebron leaves.
We will have AD, Kuzma, THT, Carushow, 2020 1st rd pick. 2021 1st rd pick
Because he pressures front offices to trade future assets for vets who can help immediately.
Who (with a chance to win) doesn't do that?
"Ship his ass out!" - Kobe Bryant _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29354 Location: La La Land
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:51 pm Post subject:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
but because AD is so young we are going to be good once lebron leaves.
We will have AD, Kuzma, THT, Carushow, 2020 1st rd pick. 2021 1st rd pick
and cap space offcourse
And hey, he may stay. He'll be 37 when that 41 million dollar player option kicks in '21-'22 season judging by how seasons have been delayed due to COVID delays.
But I could see us trading anybody and everybody on your list not named AD if Bron and our franchise believes it's the difference between a chip next year or not. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
The highest priority for our FO seems to be 2021 free agency and wooing someone like Giannis. That will especially be the case if we win the championship this year. It's much more likely we butcher our roster for that free agency than we do trying to trade everyone after this season ends
Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29354 Location: La La Land
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:00 pm Post subject:
Dr. Laker wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Because he pressures front offices to trade future assets for vets who can help immediately.
Who (with a chance to win) doesn't do that?
"Ship his ass out!" - Kobe Bryant
I like when players want to win. Especially when they stay and stick it out through a rebuild. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
So who’s the keepers and who should be traded/upgraded Mike?
Honestly, I'm just waiting for MLE and the results of this roster, because absolutely no team wants to help LAL even if *we* think these are reasonable trades.
I'm not even looking much farther than Marc Gasol, Paul Millsap, Moe Harkless, and DJ Augustin, and all of these guys are contingent on just signing MLE for 1 year only.
When it comes to undrafted guys or vet min types that I'm VERY confident LAL can get?
Jemerrio Jones
Jon Teske
Yves Ponds
Johnathan Williams
Trevelin Queen
I'm even forgetting some shooters.
Immannuel Quickley
Gasol seems like he could be a fit, but what do we do about Dwight, McGee and DMC? I think Dwight is really showing his value during these playoffs. But, can Marc help out in similar ways? I know Marc ads more of an offensive component in terms of three point shooting.
Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29354 Location: La La Land
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:14 pm Post subject:
scoobs wrote:
Gasol seems like he could be a fit, but what do we do about Dwight, McGee and DMC? I think Dwight is really showing his value during these playoffs. But, can Marc help out in similar ways? I know Marc ads more of an offensive component in terms of three point shooting.
I'm starting to worry he's over the hill. He looked bad this playoffs. Maybe he was just out of shape and he'll look more like himself next year. Always loved Marc's game. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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