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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | I feel like Kuzma would blossom playing on a team that is looking to make noise, that team could be the Kings, if there is 1 guy who can get a lot out of Kuzma it’s Luke, he had his best season as a Laker when Luke was our HC, Detroit would be a good fit for him as well. |
Sure. A guy like Kuzma could put up some numbers on a bad team. There have been a number of guys like that over the years. In the right system on a bad team, Kuzma might be able to average 20+ ppg. |
Sure Kuzma could go to a crap team and be the next Mike James or Tony Campbell, averaging 20 ppg on a 25-win team. But can Kuzma be the #1 or #2 guy on a good team? -- I doubt it. |
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AD23
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| I'm proud that most of you have realize Kuz is garbage. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | I wish we could have rookie Kuz back again. Oh well. I'm done with him. |
I don’t think rookie Kuz can happen on a championship contending team. Too many holes on his game and your stars are going to be doing what Rookie Kuz was doing without the obvious flaws.
Just like Clarkson couldn’t be the leading PPG guy on a championship team. |
Rookie Kuz took his job more serious (wasn't bit by the LA life, didn't color his hair, etc.). He was every bit the player Tatum was at that time. His shot went South and he is proven not to be reliable (championship team or not). |
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| IF the lakers were to try and trade for Kemba, would the 125% rule be in effect, or would we need to match dollar for dollar because of the hard cap? |
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RashardA
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | RashardA wrote: | It's not about "liking Kuz."
Its about this ridiculous notion that he adds absolutely no value to a team.
That's complete idiocy. |
It sounds like you've spent too much time defending Kuzma on message boards. Kuzma has topped out as about an average NBA player. He has exceeded my expectations, which were low, but he has disappointed the people who thought he was going to be something special. He plays a little bit above replacement level, but that's about it.
It is always possible that some GM out there has fallen in love with him. But in this era, GMs look at metrics, and the metrics say that Kuzma is about an average player. He does a lot of different things, but he doesn't do any of them notably well. In particular, he doesn't have any special skill at three point shooting.
We should have moved him before giving him the overpriced contract. At $13M/year, he wouldn't seem to be an enticing asset. He's probably worth somewhere between the taxpayer MLE and the regular MLE. You can get players of Kuzma's quality in that range. But once again, we can hope that some GM values him higher than that. |
Far from it.
Ive been a member of this board & this board only for nearly 20 years with less than 800 posts.
No one's spending every waking moment defending Kuz.
However, some takes are so idiotic I speak my piece and move on.
The majority hates him, I dont. Ive never been one for the sheep mentality. I see the value he brings to a team even if most dont.
Unlike the ones who hate him with a passion like he stole their girl, I wont sweat it if he's still here or if he's traded.
Those who hate him may have to be on suicide watch if he's still here come media day.
Which unfortunately for all involved, could very well happen.
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| cital wrote: | | IF the lakers were to try and trade for Kemba, would the 125% rule be in effect, or would we need to match dollar for dollar because of the hard cap? |
You need 28.7m in salary aggregation to trade for Kemba (a minimum package of Kuz/Kcp/Gasol works) and you would not be hard capped in making a trade for him.
You only get hard capped at the apron (143m) if you use the full MLE (9.5m), make a trade where you bring in a S&t’d player (therefore S&t Schro, AC and or THT will NOT hard cap us) and/or you use the BAE (which we used last offseason on Wes, so we are unable to use this summer). |
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| drof23le wrote: | As i watch the Eastern conference semis game 7 earlier.
Lakers should have really go to trade for a 3rd star, role player does not really factor to a playoffs/finals game. best case is Zach Lavine. worst case Lowry or Westbrook.
Second option get a sub par star which is a solid wing defender that can also shoot 3's like J.Grant or a tall guard that can pass like Brogdon or Ball.
Don't invest too much on a Center just sign a Howard/Mcgee like center or Damian Jones for a regular season and AD will play C come of playoff time. |
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| AD23 wrote: | | I'm proud that most of you have realize Kuz is garbage. |
He's fine and is coming off his best professional season.
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| We tried to get the 3rd star. Unfortunately the waiting game (not complaining for going for a home run) cost us many players who would/could have helped. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| RI Laker wrote: | | We tried to get the 3rd star. Unfortunately the waiting game (not complaining for going for a home run) cost us many players who would/could have helped. |
And then won a title and locked up LeBron and AD for the near future.
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| Marc J Spears on NBA the Jump thinks Kuzma is a goner this summer. |
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logical24
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Marc J Spears on NBA the Jump thinks Kuzma is a goner this summer. |
I think he said something along the lines up "keep an eye out for a sign and trade for spencer dinwiddie" since he just opted out today |
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| I don’t mind Dinwiddie, if we end up getting him that gives us the luxury of finding a suitable S&T deal for Dennis which I hope is for Bojan Bogdanovich. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| logical24 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Marc J Spears on NBA the Jump thinks Kuzma is a goner this summer. |
I think he said something along the lines up "keep an eye out for a sign and trade for spencer dinwiddie" since he just opted out today |
Man, (bleep) Dinwiddie for opting out then. What an (bleep).
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | logical24 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Marc J Spears on NBA the Jump thinks Kuzma is a goner this summer. |
I think he said something along the lines up "keep an eye out for a sign and trade for spencer dinwiddie" since he just opted out today |
Man, (bleep) Dinwiddie for opting out then. What an (bleep). |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | I'm proud that most of you have realize Kuz is garbage. |
He's fine and is coming off his best professional season. |
Yeah you're not part of the "most". |
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At this point, a dream offseason for me would look something like -
1. S&T Dennis Schroder to Toronto for Gary Trent Jr.
2. Trade Kyle Kuzma to Indiana for a S&T Doug McDermott
3. Bring back Alex Caruso & Talen Horton-Tucker at $13m combined starting salary
4. Sign Willie Cauley-Stein at minimum to start alongside AD
5. Re-sign Markieff to a similar deal as Gasol last year (2yrs, $5.5m)
6. Add 2-3 vets like JaVale, Wes Matthews, Garrett Temple, Wayne Ellington, etc.
That would put us right at the $142m hard cap. |
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| RashardA wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | RashardA wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | RashardA wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | RashardA wrote: | | GrimjowwLA wrote: | | Kuzma + mckinnie + fillers for Joe Harris . Who says yes ? 😅 |
Lakers lose a defense, length & rebounding but gain shooting.
Harris (bleep) the bed royally under playoff pressure, it would just get magnified in Los Angeles playing with Lebron.
Lakers would be taking a risk but im sure they would do it.
Nets gain more length, rebounding & playing in that system, with those players Kuz would flourish.
Working with Nash, KD, Kyrie and Harden..im pretty sure Kuz would get his shot right.
Plus they get Mckinnie..another 6'8, athletic player who can shoot threes + even more fillers?
IMO, Nets jump all over this trade after the way Harris performed in the playoffs.
And im pretty sure Kuz would pray for it to happen as well. |
The Nets turn this down fast.
Harris is one of the best shooters in NBA history. One bad playoff series isn't going to make the Net dumb him for Kuz (who had a bad playoffs too) and McKinnie (who has no trade value -- he couldn't make our rotation, and he wouldnt be in the Nets rotation). |
I totally disagree.
Harris has been a no show multiple times in the playoffs for multiple teams.
At least if Kuz's shot isnt falling he can do other things like defend, block shots and rebound.
He's also younger, longer and more athletic.
It's pretty funny to me how Joe Harris can be forgiven for being complete trash in the playoffs multiple seasons but Kuz can't after one series.
Kuz doesnt get a pass and neither should Harris.
Especially being a starter with much more playoff experience than Kuz has.
If im the Nets I jump on this trade because of the versatility Kuz provides.
As ive stated numerous times, put Kuz with a coaching staff who has a clue how to use him offensively & he'll be much more productive than being apart of the LeBron system. |
I get that a big part of this board is imagining that other teams are salivating to get Kuzma. I'll believe it when I see it. |
He's 26 years old, 6'9 and athletic, has chip experience, can defend, can rebound, can pass, can score when utilized properly.
His main weakness is his handle and consistent three point shooting.
That said, he improved his 3pt% this season.
Yes, he (bleep) the bed in the playoffs, but tell me which Laker didnt?
One playoff series does not define a player's career nor should it be the end all be all when evaluating Kuz's overall season last season.
If that's the case, every Laker not named Bron or AD should be banished from the team & the league.
So yeah, any coach with a clue on HOW to use him properly should be excited to add him to their roster.
Im also pretty sure playing in that Nash/MDA system alongside KD, Harden & Kyrie would prove to be extremely beneficial to Kuz. |
I get it. You like Kuzma. Cool.
I hope GMs share your opinion and we trade him for a good return. |
It's not about "liking Kuz."
Its about this ridiculous notion that he adds absolutely no value to a team.
That's complete idiocy.
And I agree, I hope he is moved because the Lakers have no clue how to use him & hopefully they can get pieces that fit.
Win/win for everyone. |
Bruh, I think it is awesome you post on the board Kuzma. Hopefully you find a system that fits your style (both game and hair) next season. Hopefully after you are traded, you still post on the board though. |
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logical24
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Kuzma/THT/1st = Buddy Hields
Dennis/KCP/Marc = Brogdon
MLE = Demar Derozan
Sign Whiteside
Resign Dwight
Resign Morris
Sign Kelly Olynk
Resign Ben Mac
Sign Melo Vet min
Brogdon/Caruso
Buddy/Derozan/Ben
Bron/Melo
AD/Kelly/Morris
Whiteside/Dwight
One can dream right? |
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RashardA
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| BLF2145 wrote: | | RashardA wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | RashardA wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | RashardA wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | RashardA wrote: | | GrimjowwLA wrote: | | Kuzma + mckinnie + fillers for Joe Harris . Who says yes ? 😅 |
Lakers lose a defense, length & rebounding but gain shooting.
Harris (bleep) the bed royally under playoff pressure, it would just get magnified in Los Angeles playing with Lebron.
Lakers would be taking a risk but im sure they would do it.
Nets gain more length, rebounding & playing in that system, with those players Kuz would flourish.
Working with Nash, KD, Kyrie and Harden..im pretty sure Kuz would get his shot right.
Plus they get Mckinnie..another 6'8, athletic player who can shoot threes + even more fillers?
IMO, Nets jump all over this trade after the way Harris performed in the playoffs.
And im pretty sure Kuz would pray for it to happen as well. |
The Nets turn this down fast.
Harris is one of the best shooters in NBA history. One bad playoff series isn't going to make the Net dumb him for Kuz (who had a bad playoffs too) and McKinnie (who has no trade value -- he couldn't make our rotation, and he wouldnt be in the Nets rotation). |
I totally disagree.
Harris has been a no show multiple times in the playoffs for multiple teams.
At least if Kuz's shot isnt falling he can do other things like defend, block shots and rebound.
He's also younger, longer and more athletic.
It's pretty funny to me how Joe Harris can be forgiven for being complete trash in the playoffs multiple seasons but Kuz can't after one series.
Kuz doesnt get a pass and neither should Harris.
Especially being a starter with much more playoff experience than Kuz has.
If im the Nets I jump on this trade because of the versatility Kuz provides.
As ive stated numerous times, put Kuz with a coaching staff who has a clue how to use him offensively & he'll be much more productive than being apart of the LeBron system. |
I get that a big part of this board is imagining that other teams are salivating to get Kuzma. I'll believe it when I see it. |
He's 26 years old, 6'9 and athletic, has chip experience, can defend, can rebound, can pass, can score when utilized properly.
His main weakness is his handle and consistent three point shooting.
That said, he improved his 3pt% this season.
Yes, he (bleep) the bed in the playoffs, but tell me which Laker didnt?
One playoff series does not define a player's career nor should it be the end all be all when evaluating Kuz's overall season last season.
If that's the case, every Laker not named Bron or AD should be banished from the team & the league.
So yeah, any coach with a clue on HOW to use him properly should be excited to add him to their roster.
Im also pretty sure playing in that Nash/MDA system alongside KD, Harden & Kyrie would prove to be extremely beneficial to Kuz. |
I get it. You like Kuzma. Cool.
I hope GMs share your opinion and we trade him for a good return. |
It's not about "liking Kuz."
Its about this ridiculous notion that he adds absolutely no value to a team.
That's complete idiocy.
And I agree, I hope he is moved because the Lakers have no clue how to use him & hopefully they can get pieces that fit.
Win/win for everyone. |
Bruh, I think it is awesome you post on the board Kuzma. Hopefully you find a system that fits your style (both game and hair) next season. Hopefully after you are traded, you still post on the board though. |
This board really has gone down over the years.
Instead of constructive points/debates made posters come with immature insults or BS takes like this.
Level of posters & intelligent debate/takes have been shot to hell.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | We tried to get the 3rd star. Unfortunately the waiting game (not complaining for going for a home run) cost us many players who would/could have helped. |
And then won a title and locked up LeBron and AD for the near future. |
Just acknowledging that we did try to get a 3rd star. It gets old reading posts that we should go for a 3rd star. The FO did everything in their power to do so. Its very difficult and everything has to be perfectly aligned to do so. |
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| One player i definitely want next season is Kelly Olynk so underrated |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| LGFan wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | logical24 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Marc J Spears on NBA the Jump thinks Kuzma is a goner this summer. |
I think he said something along the lines up "keep an eye out for a sign and trade for spencer dinwiddie" since he just opted out today |
Man, (bleep) Dinwiddie for opting out then. What an (bleep). |
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A S&T for Dinwiddie hard caps the Lakers whereas if he opted in with a *wink wink* trade between the Nets and Lakers for Kuzma straight up, Pelinka could've given him an extension with the gap in salary this season amortized over the life of his new contract.
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| RashardA wrote: | | BLF2145 wrote: | | RashardA wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | RashardA wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | RashardA wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | RashardA wrote: | | GrimjowwLA wrote: | | Kuzma + mckinnie + fillers for Joe Harris . Who says yes ? 😅 |
Lakers lose a defense, length & rebounding but gain shooting.
Harris (bleep) the bed royally under playoff pressure, it would just get magnified in Los Angeles playing with Lebron.
Lakers would be taking a risk but im sure they would do it.
Nets gain more length, rebounding & playing in that system, with those players Kuz would flourish.
Working with Nash, KD, Kyrie and Harden..im pretty sure Kuz would get his shot right.
Plus they get Mckinnie..another 6'8, athletic player who can shoot threes + even more fillers?
IMO, Nets jump all over this trade after the way Harris performed in the playoffs.
And im pretty sure Kuz would pray for it to happen as well. |
The Nets turn this down fast.
Harris is one of the best shooters in NBA history. One bad playoff series isn't going to make the Net dumb him for Kuz (who had a bad playoffs too) and McKinnie (who has no trade value -- he couldn't make our rotation, and he wouldnt be in the Nets rotation). |
I totally disagree.
Harris has been a no show multiple times in the playoffs for multiple teams.
At least if Kuz's shot isnt falling he can do other things like defend, block shots and rebound.
He's also younger, longer and more athletic.
It's pretty funny to me how Joe Harris can be forgiven for being complete trash in the playoffs multiple seasons but Kuz can't after one series.
Kuz doesnt get a pass and neither should Harris.
Especially being a starter with much more playoff experience than Kuz has.
If im the Nets I jump on this trade because of the versatility Kuz provides.
As ive stated numerous times, put Kuz with a coaching staff who has a clue how to use him offensively & he'll be much more productive than being apart of the LeBron system. |
I get that a big part of this board is imagining that other teams are salivating to get Kuzma. I'll believe it when I see it. |
He's 26 years old, 6'9 and athletic, has chip experience, can defend, can rebound, can pass, can score when utilized properly.
His main weakness is his handle and consistent three point shooting.
That said, he improved his 3pt% this season.
Yes, he (bleep) the bed in the playoffs, but tell me which Laker didnt?
One playoff series does not define a player's career nor should it be the end all be all when evaluating Kuz's overall season last season.
If that's the case, every Laker not named Bron or AD should be banished from the team & the league.
So yeah, any coach with a clue on HOW to use him properly should be excited to add him to their roster.
Im also pretty sure playing in that Nash/MDA system alongside KD, Harden & Kyrie would prove to be extremely beneficial to Kuz. |
I get it. You like Kuzma. Cool.
I hope GMs share your opinion and we trade him for a good return. |
It's not about "liking Kuz."
Its about this ridiculous notion that he adds absolutely no value to a team.
That's complete idiocy.
And I agree, I hope he is moved because the Lakers have no clue how to use him & hopefully they can get pieces that fit.
Win/win for everyone. |
Bruh, I think it is awesome you post on the board Kuzma. Hopefully you find a system that fits your style (both game and hair) next season. Hopefully after you are traded, you still post on the board though. |
This board really has gone down over the years.
Instead of constructive points/debates made posters come with immature insults or BS takes like this.
Level of posters & intelligent debate/takes have been shot to hell. |
You forgot asinine trade proposals and out of reach free agent signings. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | LGFan wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | logical24 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Marc J Spears on NBA the Jump thinks Kuzma is a goner this summer. |
I think he said something along the lines up "keep an eye out for a sign and trade for spencer dinwiddie" since he just opted out today |
Man, (bleep) Dinwiddie for opting out then. What an (bleep). |
🤔? |
A S&T for Dinwiddie hard caps the Lakers whereas if he opted in with a *wink wink* trade between the Nets and Lakers for Kuzma straight up, Pelinka could've given him an extension with the gap in salary this season amortized over the life of his new contract. |
Ah thank you |
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