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| troy wrote: | The reality is that no team rebuilds into championship quality overnight. We have Lebron and we have cap space deluxe. Sacrifices were made to accomplish this. That was the Part 1 goal, and it was a success.
Part 2 is scheduled for this summer.
All this Magic-bashing is overdone, and is getting a bit on the whiny side.
Zubac was a nice guy and a developing player, and I hated to see him go, but he wasn't exactly the 2nd coming of Shaq. He was easily pushed around down low, and had no mid range or outside game, no ability to stretch, and he was minimally impactful as a rim protector. DLo was let go because he didn't embrace the role of being a starting PG for the LA Lakers with the passion and dedication it demands. Also, the Laker plan called for obtaining a floor leader and defensive stopper as opposed to a scorer, which we got. As for Randle, he and his agent had issues/desires that the Lakers could not attend to.
As for how the current team was constructed, again, this goes back to the game plan of Magic and Pelinka. IT IS A TWO YEAR PLAN, FOLKS!! We're ending Year 1. This year's "vets" were just placeholders. These guys are not gong to be here next season.
This year's team was NOT supposed to do anything more than allow the young core to develop and mesh with Lebron James. What screwed that up...INJURIES. Not Magic. Not Jeannie. Not AD. INJURIES.
Everybody is tag-teaming Magic when the reality is that injuries, and to a lesser extent poorly planned contingencies for said injuries on Walton's part, are what screwed this year over.
This year's Laker team was not expected to do much in the playoffs, so not even making the playoffs isn't that much of a disappointment. Year 1 was never going to be our big year. Yes, that's hard to digest for us results-hungry fans, but it's the bitter truth.
Year 2...that's when things should start happening. So save the Magic-bashing for after this summer. Lets see what sort of team construction occurs in the off season. |
Logical and well thought out. I know year one was a throwaway with the one year rentals. But my faith in Magic has diminished because of the roster construction. He tried to reinvent the wheel.
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| troy wrote: | The reality is that no team rebuilds into championship quality overnight. We have Lebron and we have cap space deluxe. Sacrifices were made to accomplish this. That was the Part 1 goal, and it was a success.
Part 2 is scheduled for this summer. |
Sorry, but that is revisionist history. The Part 1 goal was to add two max free agents last summer. It failed. This summer is not Part 2. It is Punt 1. It is possible that Magic will pull off a coup this summer and that everything will be fine. Let's hope so. I am sure that Magic knows that Punt 2 is not an option, so my worry is that, if the big fish do not bite, he will do something rash to save face. |
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| Actually championship contenders can be built overnight. See Miami Heat 2010 and Cleveland Cavaliers 2014. This summer is make or break for our short window. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Kemba without question. this is a guards' league, more specifically a scoring point guards' league. with Kemba Walker we will have that type of player. with him on board, we can also explore trading Zo for future 1st round pick or packaging him for another current all star. |
The scoring PG thing doesn’t make sense to me. |
You don't need a scoring PG to win a championship, but you aren't going to win a championship building around a pass first PG.
Either your PG is a 3-D player or a legit perimeter scorer. |
There is no formula for winning a championship.
Only the elite talents for the respective archetype. |
Perhaps, but we've seen lot of HOF elite pass first PGs that weren't true title contenders as the best or 2nd best player on their team. |
Until someone changes the formula again.
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Kemba without question. this is a guards' league, more specifically a scoring point guards' league. with Kemba Walker we will have that type of player. with him on board, we can also explore trading Zo for future 1st round pick or packaging him for another current all star. |
The scoring PG thing doesn’t make sense to me. |
You don't need a scoring PG to win a championship, but you aren't going to win a championship building around a pass first PG.
Either your PG is a 3-D player or a legit perimeter scorer. |
There is no formula for winning a championship.
Only the elite talents for the respective archetype. |
Perhaps, but we've seen lot of HOF elite pass first PGs that weren't true title contenders as the best or 2nd best player on their team. |
The greatest PG of all time won 5 rings and went to 9 finals as a pass first PG and a top 2 player on all of those teams. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | troy wrote: | The reality is that no team rebuilds into championship quality overnight. We have Lebron and we have cap space deluxe. Sacrifices were made to accomplish this. That was the Part 1 goal, and it was a success.
Part 2 is scheduled for this summer. |
Sorry, but that is revisionist history. The Part 1 goal was to add two max free agents last summer. It failed. This summer is not Part 2. It is Punt 1. It is possible that Magic will pull off a coup this summer and that everything will be fine. Let's hope so. I am sure that Magic knows that Punt 2 is not an option, so my worry is that, if the big fish do not bite, he will do something rash to save face. |
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| where24happens wrote: | | Actually championship contenders can be built overnight. See Miami Heat 2010 and Cleveland Cavaliers 2014. This summer is make or break for our short window. |
Well. Where is our 26 and 30 year old prime LBJ?
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| Quote: | This year's Laker team was not expected to do much in the playoffs, so not even making the playoffs isn't that much of a disappointment. Year 1 was never going to be our big year. Yes, that's hard to digest for us results-hungry fans, but it's the bitter truth.
Year 2...that's when things should start happening. So save the Magic-bashing for after this summer. Lets see what sort of team construction occurs in the off season. |
Here's the problem with this. Did you really think we would be this feckless and looking at Tankathon.com again this year? As you noted, your expectation as a baseline was to make the playoffs.
I'll happily take the unexpected lottery pick, but let's not act like that was our goal. I'm giving Magic this summer too, but we can't discount the incredibly disappointing season either.
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From Charlotte, and would like Kemba to stay. He's good for this franchise.
I wouldn't give a huge contract to a sub six footer close to 30. Or any sub six footers for that matter.
If you can't sign a top FA, sign veteran specialists to round out roster and build around Ingram and Ball. That plus LeBron should be enough to compete, especially with Durant potentially leaving GS.
I would dangle picks, plus any of the other young guys not named Ingram and Ball in trade offers |
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| Quote: | | build around Ingram and Ball. |
I'm a big Lonzo fan, but he's missed 30+ games 2 years in a row.
BI, he's missed 23+ games 2 years in a row.
Not sure they are ready to be "built around," for a while...
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | troy wrote: | The reality is that no team rebuilds into championship quality overnight. We have Lebron and we have cap space deluxe. Sacrifices were made to accomplish this. That was the Part 1 goal, and it was a success.
Part 2 is scheduled for this summer. |
Sorry, but that is revisionist history. The Part 1 goal was to add two max free agents last summer. It failed. This summer is not Part 2. It is Punt 1. It is possible that Magic will pull off a coup this summer and that everything will be fine. Let's hope so. I am sure that Magic knows that Punt 2 is not an option, so my worry is that, if the big fish do not bite, he will do something rash to save face. |
We got one, and the other failed to show up not because of Magic Johnson, but because , I suspect, LA fans and the LA media put so much undue pressure on EVERYBODY when ever we can't get our championship parade.
I never bought into this, until this season, but LA fans are, in fact, extremely spoiled and entitled, and they are this to an extent that players don't want to have anything to do with the Lakers. We don't get our way, we ignore injuries and we yell FIRE EVERYBODY.
It's no wonder everyone clowns LA.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | This year's Laker team was not expected to do much in the playoffs, so not even making the playoffs isn't that much of a disappointment. Year 1 was never going to be our big year. Yes, that's hard to digest for us results-hungry fans, but it's the bitter truth.
Year 2...that's when things should start happening. So save the Magic-bashing for after this summer. Lets see what sort of team construction occurs in the off season. |
Here's the problem with this. Did you really think we would be this feckless and looking at Tankathon.com again this year? As you noted, your expectation as a baseline was to make the playoffs.
I'll happily take the unexpected lottery pick, but let's not act like that was our goal. I'm giving Magic this summer too, but we can't discount the incredibly disappointing season either. |
My contention is that the disappointment was due moreso to injuries, and not this sort of incompetence Laker fans are attributing to Magic. |
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| troy wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | This year's Laker team was not expected to do much in the playoffs, so not even making the playoffs isn't that much of a disappointment. Year 1 was never going to be our big year. Yes, that's hard to digest for us results-hungry fans, but it's the bitter truth.
Year 2...that's when things should start happening. So save the Magic-bashing for after this summer. Lets see what sort of team construction occurs in the off season. |
Here's the problem with this. Did you really think we would be this feckless and looking at Tankathon.com again this year? As you noted, your expectation as a baseline was to make the playoffs.
I'll happily take the unexpected lottery pick, but let's not act like that was our goal. I'm giving Magic this summer too, but we can't discount the incredibly disappointing season either. |
My contention is that the disappointment was due moreso to injuries, and not this sort of incompetence Laker fans are attributing to Magic. |
Injuries mattered, but so did stocking the rest of the team. 28m spent on KCP/Rondo/Lance/Beez just kill me every time.
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Brian Windhorst on Coast to Coast: Everyone wants to play for the Lakers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cnmnn49ckEA
Sounds like that’s the opposite of what we have been hearing lately he also said a lot of people want the Lakers HC job..
It looks like we have a lot to look forward to in July if Players are itching to play for us.. I’m getting excited. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | Actually championship contenders can be built overnight. See Miami Heat 2010 and Cleveland Cavaliers 2014. This summer is make or break for our short window. |
Well. Where is our 26 and 30 year old prime LBJ? |
LBJ was obviously the big piece, but the Heat became contenders because they already had Wade and ADDED Chris Bosh the same time they added Lebron. For Cleveland, they already had Kyrie and ADDED Kevin Love the same time they added Lebron. Basically the model was Lebron + two other stars.
For us, Lebron came to a team that has zero great players and Magic failed to add one next to Lebron last summer. Even if we do add one this summer, I'm not sure it will be enough to win a ring. But I completely get why they tried to get AD. Magic failed in Summer 1 and tried to make up for it in the middle of the season and failed again. Summer 2 is make or break. |
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| where24happens wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | Actually championship contenders can be built overnight. See Miami Heat 2010 and Cleveland Cavaliers 2014. This summer is make or break for our short window. |
Well. Where is our 26 and 30 year old prime LBJ? |
LBJ was obviously the big piece, but the Heat became contenders because they already had Wade and ADDED Chris Bosh the same time they added Lebron. For Cleveland, they already had Kyrie and ADDED Kevin Love the same time they added Lebron. Basically the model was Lebron + two other stars.
For us, Lebron came to a team that has zero great players and Magic failed to add one next to Lebron last summer. Even if we do add one this summer, I'm not sure it will be enough to win a ring. But I completely get why they tried to get AD. Magic failed in Summer 1 and tried to make up for it in the middle of the season and failed again. Summer 2 is make or break. |
Yup! We will need to sign Kawhi and trade for AD. |
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What is the best case scenario some of you are seeing this summer?
Lakers have cap for one marquee or two second tier players, likely atop 10 lottery pick, a mid exception and some vet minimum contracts. Just as likely as not to trade the lottery and multiple young players to form a win now James approved roster.
Anywhere from 6-10 of the top twelve players are potentially getting moved. And a new coaching staff too.
How much roster chemistry are you expecting next season? Are you expecting a completely revamped new team to compete with multiple established contenders? To compete all season and make a deep playoff run?
I remain skeptical this quick fix best case scenario makes it to conference finals. How many seasons are they going to rely on a declining James as the centerpiece? Plan has a short shelf life before it goes bad. And we already saw a bit of curdling this year. |
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My "best" case scenario:
1. sign KL (and KD leaves the Warriors).
2. get #1 pick (keep or trade).
3. YUTES take a major step forward.
That's a formula for contention.
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| Ziggy wrote: | | It's really the only trade I can't wrap my head around and make sense of. At least I understand the thinking behind other trades, even if I didn't agree with it. The Zubac trade makes no sense. |
I agree....even if I do not love a trade, I usually understand why it was made or what the FO was thinking....but this one just made no sense on multiple levels. |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | Lets say PHX gets #2 pick and takes Ja Morant while we end up somewhere between 6-10.
If Booker could be had for our lotto pick and say a future 2nd or something, do you guys do it?
Some people believe they may want to reshuffle the decks without Bookers giant deal as they do. |
always thought they wanted to build around booker? booker + Morant fits tough
Also its going to take more then 6-10 pick to go get him.
if we can sure, lets do it |
Morant and Booker could be scary if they accepted each other and played off each other |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: | | It's really the only trade I can't wrap my head around and make sense of. At least I understand the thinking behind other trades, even if I didn't agree with it. The Zubac trade makes no sense. |
I agree....even if I do not love a trade, I usually understand why it was made or what the FO was thinking....but this one just made no sense on multiple levels. |
They mistakenly thought that Muscala would improve the team with his floorspacing ... they thought wrong.
They also determined that they were not going to resign Zubac, so they were playing with house money.
Lastly, there's also that Carmelo Anthony thing. They wanted the extra roster space to possibly sign Anthony and make their marquee guy happy.
Bad thinking all the way around.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | My "best" case scenario:
1. sign KL (and KD leaves the Warriors).
2. get #1 pick (keep or trade).
3. YUTES take a major step forward.
That's a formula for contention. |
what do you do if the 4 main K's say no (KD, Kawhi, Klay, Kyrie), and we end up with the 8th pick? This is more likely....and this is where I go back and forth between trying to sign a Kemba and using the money to build out a good roster. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | My "best" case scenario:
1. sign KL (and KD leaves the Warriors).
2. get #1 pick (keep or trade).
3. YUTES take a major step forward.
That's a formula for contention. |
what do you do if the 4 main K's say no (KD, Kawhi, Klay, Kyrie), and we end up with the 8th pick? This is more likely....and this is where I go back and forth between trying to sign a Kemba and using the money to build out a good roster. |
Pretty sure I'd fill out the roster with expirings (that actually fill team needs this time) and try again in 2020.
James is somewhat irrelevant to me. I don't care too much about his timeline. I'd use James to snag Davis in free agency and look forward to Davis and Ball (or Ingram) leading this team into the future ... with James along for the ride too.
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | My "best" case scenario:
1. sign KL (and KD leaves the Warriors).
2. get #1 pick (keep or trade).
3. YUTES take a major step forward.
That's a formula for contention. |
what do you do if the 4 main K's say no (KD, Kawhi, Klay, Kyrie), and we end up with the 8th pick? This is more likely....and this is where I go back and forth between trying to sign a Kemba and using the money to build out a good roster. |
Pretty sure I'd fill out the roster with expirings (that actually fill team needs this time) and try again in 2020.
James is somewhat irrelevant to me. I don't care too much about his timeline. I'd use James to snag Davis in free agency and look forward to Davis and Ball (or Ingram) leading this team into the future ... with James along for the ride too. |
That's a very good way to look at it.
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | My "best" case scenario:
1. sign KL (and KD leaves the Warriors).
2. get #1 pick (keep or trade).
3. YUTES take a major step forward.
That's a formula for contention. |
what do you do if the 4 main K's say no (KD, Kawhi, Klay, Kyrie), and we end up with the 8th pick? This is more likely....and this is where I go back and forth between trying to sign a Kemba and using the money to build out a good roster. |
Pretty sure I'd fill out the roster with expirings (that actually fill team needs this time) and try again in 2020.
James is somewhat irrelevant to me. I don't care too much about his timeline. I'd use James to snag Davis in free agency and look forward to Davis and Ball (or Ingram) leading this team into the future ... with James along for the ride too. |
I'm concerned though that AD may not want to even join a 35 year old LBJ and a team that may miss 2 playoffs again.
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