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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | My "best" case scenario:
1. sign KL (and KD leaves the Warriors).
2. get #1 pick (keep or trade).
3. YUTES take a major step forward.
That's a formula for contention. |
what do you do if the 4 main K's say no (KD, Kawhi, Klay, Kyrie), and we end up with the 8th pick? This is more likely....and this is where I go back and forth between trying to sign a Kemba and using the money to build out a good roster. |
Pretty sure I'd fill out the roster with expirings (that actually fill team needs this time) and try again in 2020.
James is somewhat irrelevant to me. I don't care too much about his timeline. I'd use James to snag Davis in free agency and look forward to Davis and Ball (or Ingram) leading this team into the future ... with James along for the ride too. |
I'm concerned though that AD may not want to even join a 35 year old LBJ and a team that may miss 2 playoffs again. |
There's a possibility no one wants to join us this summer too. And then we keep punting and punting without ever developing a team. It's getting cyclical.
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Well, KL has already won a championship b/f so not sure why he needs advice from PG13...about what? 
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | My "best" case scenario:
1. sign KL (and KD leaves the Warriors).
2. get #1 pick (keep or trade).
3. YUTES take a major step forward.
That's a formula for contention. |
what do you do if the 4 main K's say no (KD, Kawhi, Klay, Kyrie), and we end up with the 8th pick? This is more likely....and this is where I go back and forth between trying to sign a Kemba and using the money to build out a good roster. |
Pretty sure I'd fill out the roster with expirings (that actually fill team needs this time) and try again in 2020.
James is somewhat irrelevant to me. I don't care too much about his timeline. I'd use James to snag Davis in free agency and look forward to Davis and Ball (or Ingram) leading this team into the future ... with James along for the ride too. |
I'm concerned though that AD may not want to even join a 35 year old LBJ and a team that may miss 2 playoffs again. |
Build the team right (even with expirings) and you don't have to worry about missing the playoffs.
Hell, if Pope and Kuzma were 38% shooters this year, they make the playoffs this year. It ain't that hard to build this thing properly. MAgic (probably at James' behest) thought he was smarter than everyone in room, thought he was Dr. Evil/Pinky and the Brain-level genius with his roster construction, and it backfired. Build it right, and the team will be in the playoffs -- guaranteed.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | My "best" case scenario:
1. sign KL (and KD leaves the Warriors).
2. get #1 pick (keep or trade).
3. YUTES take a major step forward.
That's a formula for contention. |
what do you do if the 4 main K's say no (KD, Kawhi, Klay, Kyrie), and we end up with the 8th pick? This is more likely....and this is where I go back and forth between trying to sign a Kemba and using the money to build out a good roster. |
Pretty sure I'd fill out the roster with expirings (that actually fill team needs this time) and try again in 2020.
James is somewhat irrelevant to me. I don't care too much about his timeline. I'd use James to snag Davis in free agency and look forward to Davis and Ball (or Ingram) leading this team into the future ... with James along for the ride too. |
I'm concerned though that AD may not want to even join a 35 year old LBJ and a team that may miss 2 playoffs again. |
I am not too concerned, but also depends on where he gets traded to. If he ends up with LAC or NY then I am a bit worried. Maybe he will truthfully tell Rich and Lebron his plans, and if he plans to not come to Lakers then maybe Lebron will ask for trade if he knows he wont come next summer.
If we know AD is likely to come, hold onto space
Give 1 year deals to guys who want to prove it for longer big time teals
Rozier
Brogdon(maybe mid 20M can intrigue him, but doubt it)
DJ
Boogie (under max) |
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The Lakers need to clear up the perception that Klutch and LeBron are running this organization.
This is why...
The Lakers are only going to be as great as LeBron's character while he's the focal point of the team. We've seen it for years and now we finally got to see just how destructive LeBron is towards his teammates and the organization. It's going to happen as long as he's not forced to be accountable among his teammates or coaches. I'd like to see the Lakers bring in some grown men.
LeBron CANNOT be depended on for leadership or as the face of the organization. The Lakers have to treat LeBron as just another player because he showed us this year that his needs are more important than the Lakers brand. So if that means we take a route where LeBron no longer at the center of the team dynamic; so be it. LeBron is not trustworthy and doesn't deserve to have any consultation type of input going forward.
If the Lakers are not willing to do this... We're screwed.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| Darth Los Angeles wrote: | The Lakers need to clear up the perception that Klutch and LeBron are running this organization.
This is why...
The Lakers are only going to be as great as LeBron's character while he's the focal point of the team. We've seen it for years and now we finally got to see just how destructive LeBron is towards his teammates and the organization. It's going to happen as long as he's not forced to be accountable among his teammates or coaches. I'd like to see the Lakers bring in some grown men.
LeBron CANNOT be depended on for leadership or as the face of the organization. The Lakers have to treat LeBron as just another player because he showed us this year that his needs are more important than the Lakers brand. So if that means we take a route where LeBron no longer at the center of the team dynamic; so be it. LeBron is not trustworthy and doesn't deserve to have any consultation type of input going forward.
If the Lakers are not willing to do this... We're screwed. |
This isn't even a LBJ thread and here is Mr. Gloom and Doom.
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| nzahir wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | My "best" case scenario:
1. sign KL (and KD leaves the Warriors).
2. get #1 pick (keep or trade).
3. YUTES take a major step forward.
That's a formula for contention. |
what do you do if the 4 main K's say no (KD, Kawhi, Klay, Kyrie), and we end up with the 8th pick? This is more likely....and this is where I go back and forth between trying to sign a Kemba and using the money to build out a good roster. |
Pretty sure I'd fill out the roster with expirings (that actually fill team needs this time) and try again in 2020.
James is somewhat irrelevant to me. I don't care too much about his timeline. I'd use James to snag Davis in free agency and look forward to Davis and Ball (or Ingram) leading this team into the future ... with James along for the ride too. |
I'm concerned though that AD may not want to even join a 35 year old LBJ and a team that may miss 2 playoffs again. |
I am not too concerned, but also depends on where he gets traded to. If he ends up with LAC or NY then I am a bit worried. Maybe he will truthfully tell Rich and Lebron his plans, and if he plans to not come to Lakers then maybe Lebron will ask for trade if he knows he wont come next summer.
If we know AD is likely to come, hold onto space
Give 1 year deals to guys who want to prove it for longer big time teals
Rozier
Brogdon(maybe mid 20M can intrigue him, but doubt it)
DJ
Boogie (under max) |
I don't think you can offer 1 year deals to RFAs (Rozier/Brogdon) as you must offer at least a 3 year deal.
AD is going to be traded likely to a non Lakers team. The team accepting him will have a huge advantage in keeping him so I'm not entirely sure why people are confident AD will join the Lakers in 2020 (and the opportunity cost of punting again).
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| troy wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | troy wrote: | The reality is that no team rebuilds into championship quality overnight. We have Lebron and we have cap space deluxe. Sacrifices were made to accomplish this. That was the Part 1 goal, and it was a success.
Part 2 is scheduled for this summer. |
Sorry, but that is revisionist history. The Part 1 goal was to add two max free agents last summer. It failed. This summer is not Part 2. It is Punt 1. It is possible that Magic will pull off a coup this summer and that everything will be fine. Let's hope so. I am sure that Magic knows that Punt 2 is not an option, so my worry is that, if the big fish do not bite, he will do something rash to save face. |
We got one, and the other failed to show up not because of Magic Johnson, but because , I suspect, LA fans and the LA media put so much undue pressure on EVERYBODY when ever we can't get our championship parade.
I never bought into this, until this season, but LA fans are, in fact, extremely spoiled and entitled, and they are this to an extent that players don't want to have anything to do with the Lakers. We don't get our way, we ignore injuries and we yell FIRE EVERYBODY.
It's no wonder everyone clowns LA. |
Who cares why Paul George didn't sign up? At this point, it really doesn't matter. Magic's plan is dependent on signing two max FAs. Otherwise, he just pissed Russell, Randle, Nance, and Zubac down the drain for nothing. He did not succeed in his plan last summer, so he punted to this summer. Without a coup this summer, Magic's legacy as an executive will be financing the Lebron Farewell Tour.
So you want to blame the fans? Really? So maybe Magic could rebuild the team if we all switched to the Clippers or the Warriors. Anyway, the fans and the media pre-date Magic's tenure as an executive. If he picked a rebuilding strategy that was doomed to failure because of those pesky fans, then it's his fault.
If you want to defend Magic, that's cool. I want to see him pull it off this summer. No matter how much I may dislike his rebuilding strategy, we're stuck with it. If Magic bombs this summer, we could be looking at five more years in the wilderness. We could spend the next couple years being just good enough to make the playoffs, but not good enough to contend. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: |
Well, KL has already won a championship b/f so not sure why he needs advice from PG13...about what? |
He can advise Kawhi to not cheat on Doc River’s daughter with a hooker/stripper, to not knock up said hooker/stripper, and to not end up marrying said hooker/stripper. PG13 knows all about that. |
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| Darth Los Angeles wrote: | The Lakers need to clear up the perception that Klutch and LeBron are running this organization.
This is why...
The Lakers are only going to be as great as LeBron's character while he's the focal point of the team. We've seen it for years and now we finally got to see just how destructive LeBron is towards his teammates and the organization. It's going to happen as long as he's not forced to be accountable among his teammates or coaches. I'd like to see the Lakers bring in some grown men.
LeBron CANNOT be depended on for leadership or as the face of the organization. The Lakers have to treat LeBron as just another player because he showed us this year that his needs are more important than the Lakers brand. So if that means we take a route where LeBron no longer at the center of the team dynamic; so be it. LeBron is not trustworthy and doesn't deserve to have any consultation type of input going forward.
If the Lakers are not willing to do this... We're screwed. |
Problem is when you sign one of the GOATS, you basically give up the right to treat him as a normal player.
For better or worse, the Lakers are tied at the hip the LeBron and Klutch. |
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well hope KL doesnt get intimidated by his own teammate that he puts his tail between legs and goes back |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: |
well hope KL doesnt get intimidated by his own teammate that he puts his tail between legs and goes back |
"When Lowry throws you a party with NAS..."
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | The Lakers need to clear up the perception that Klutch and LeBron are running this organization.
This is why...
The Lakers are only going to be as great as LeBron's character while he's the focal point of the team. We've seen it for years and now we finally got to see just how destructive LeBron is towards his teammates and the organization. It's going to happen as long as he's not forced to be accountable among his teammates or coaches. I'd like to see the Lakers bring in some grown men.
LeBron CANNOT be depended on for leadership or as the face of the organization. The Lakers have to treat LeBron as just another player because he showed us this year that his needs are more important than the Lakers brand. So if that means we take a route where LeBron no longer at the center of the team dynamic; so be it. LeBron is not trustworthy and doesn't deserve to have any consultation type of input going forward.
If the Lakers are not willing to do this... We're screwed. |
This isn't even a LBJ thread and here is Mr. Gloom and Doom. |
rent free |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: |
well hope KL doesnt get intimidated by his own teammate that he puts his tail between legs and goes back |
"When Lowry throws you a party with NAS..." |
this is why PG went to OKC:
When they were winning, everybody is talking about PG13 being MVP candidate
When they are losing, everybody is talking about Russ and his problems
win win |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | The Lakers need to clear up the perception that Klutch and LeBron are running this organization.
This is why...
The Lakers are only going to be as great as LeBron's character while he's the focal point of the team. We've seen it for years and now we finally got to see just how destructive LeBron is towards his teammates and the organization. It's going to happen as long as he's not forced to be accountable among his teammates or coaches. I'd like to see the Lakers bring in some grown men.
LeBron CANNOT be depended on for leadership or as the face of the organization. The Lakers have to treat LeBron as just another player because he showed us this year that his needs are more important than the Lakers brand. So if that means we take a route where LeBron no longer at the center of the team dynamic; so be it. LeBron is not trustworthy and doesn't deserve to have any consultation type of input going forward.
If the Lakers are not willing to do this... We're screwed. |
This isn't even a LBJ thread and here is Mr. Gloom and Doom. |
rent free |
I actually believe LBJ getting 5 months to get his body right for 2019-20 will result in a rejuvenated and better conditioned LBJ.
I hated how he gave up on the team but I do expect a better LBJ next season. Like top 5 MVP candidate version.
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Well, KL has already won a championship b/f so not sure why he needs advice from PG13...about what? |
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I made a joke earlier in this thread that the Lakers would end up this summer spending $38 million per year x 4 years on Harrison Barnes and Nikola Vucevic this summer (i.e. the modern day Deng and Mozgov contracts). Funny that people want to max out Vucevic like he actually screams championship player or something.
The irony of all of this is that Jim/Mitch played the same game Magic/Pelinka are now. Punt cap space until a free agent will take it. Then Jim put a deadline on himself, just like Magic is doing now. Then came Deng/Mozgov as a desperation move to meet the self-imposed deadline. It wouldn't shock me to Magic do the same this summer.
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| LakerSanity wrote: | I made a joke earlier in this thread that the Lakers would end up this summer spending $38 million per year x 4 years on Harrison Barnes and Nikola Vucevic this summer (i.e. the modern day Deng and Mozgov contracts). Funny that people want to max out Vucevic like he actually screams championship player or something.
The irony of all of this is that Jim/Mitch played the same game Magic/Pelinka are now. Punt cap space until a free agent will take it. Then Jim put a deadline on himself, just like Magic is doing now. Then came Deng/Mozgov as a desperation move to meet the self-imposed deadline. It wouldn't shock me to Magic do the same this summer. |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | I made a joke earlier in this thread that the Lakers would end up this summer spending $38 million per year x 4 years on Harrison Barnes and Nikola Vucevic this summer (i.e. the modern day Deng and Mozgov contracts). Funny that people want to max out Vucevic like he actually screams championship player or something.
The irony of all of this is that Jim/Mitch played the same game Magic/Pelinka are now. Punt cap space until a free agent will take it. Then Jim put a deadline on himself, just like Magic is doing now. Then came Deng/Mozgov as a desperation move to meet the self-imposed deadline. It wouldn't shock me to Magic do the same this summer. |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | The irony of all of this is that Jim/Mitch played the same game Magic/Pelinka are now. Punt cap space until a free agent will take it. Then Jim put a deadline on himself, just like Magic is doing now. Then came Deng/Mozgov as a desperation move to meet the self-imposed deadline. It wouldn't shock me to Magic do the same this summer. |
Nailed it. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: |
Well, KL has already won a championship b/f so not sure why he needs advice from PG13...about what? |
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I do think KL's mental resolve >>>> PG13's.
He isn't going to be brainwashed by a WB.
If KL wants to be a Laker, he will be a Laker.
If he wants to join the Raps or Clips he will.
PG13 has nothing to offer him but weak minded thinking.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: |
Well, KL has already won a championship b/f so not sure why he needs advice from PG13...about what? |
FOH |
I do think KL's mental resolve >>>> PG13's.
He isn't going to be brainwashed by a WB.
If KL wants to be a Laker, he will be a Laker.
If he wants to join the Raps or Clips he will.
PG13 has nothing to offer him but weak minded thinking. |
Couldn't agree more.. |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | I made a joke earlier in this thread that the Lakers would end up this summer spending $38 million per year x 4 years on Harrison Barnes and Nikola Vucevic this summer (i.e. the modern day Deng and Mozgov contracts). Funny that people want to max out Vucevic like he actually screams championship player or something.
The irony of all of this is that Jim/Mitch played the same game Magic/Pelinka are now. Punt cap space until a free agent will take it. Then Jim put a deadline on himself, just like Magic is doing now. Then came Deng/Mozgov as a desperation move to meet the self-imposed deadline. It wouldn't shock me to Magic do the same this summer. |
Well, one did get LBJ.
But the more depressing thing is that after getting LBJ, they squandered that season with absolutely pitiful signings (28m).
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Lmao what the (bleep) is that dudes problem? Went from stanning Kobe to sabotaging the Lakers. He that mad the Lakers prioritized Bron over him?
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