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eddiejonze Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Sometimes the logic of the LG masses cracks me up.
On one page we have Giannis stating he likes a small town feel and is not as enamored with LA as it residents, but he apparently he is wrong and will going to change his mind because his brother is a a prospect on the Lakers G-League team. The two year media and fan hype begins!
Followed by the continued absolute certainty that Davis will re-sign as a Laker in free agency in spite of his comments that he would like to play in NY or in his hometown CHI.
How many LA natives were described as sure bets in free agency with even less of a thread of reasoning?
Some of you make my morning coffee a delight. |
Well it's a good thing then that LG has you to show people how to post like, smart and stuff.
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:50 am Post subject: |
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If Chris Paul ends up staying with the Thunder, it’s gonna be interesting to see who has a better season between OKC and the Pelicans. |
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Roon Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | If Chris Paul ends up staying with the Thunder, it’s gonna be interesting to see who has a better season between OKC and the Pelicans. |
Who do you think will and why? |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | If Chris Paul ends up staying with the Thunder, it’s gonna be interesting to see who has a better season between OKC and the Pelicans. |
Make the call!
OKC will have a better record than Houston and Clippers. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Roon wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | If Chris Paul ends up staying with the Thunder, it’s gonna be interesting to see who has a better season between OKC and the Pelicans. |
Who do you think will and why? |
It all depends on Zion Williamson, if he has a rookie season were he has ups and downs then obviously you have to go with the Thunder. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Wizards to offer Beal 3-year, $111M extension
Quote: | Washington Wizards general manager Tommy Sheppard will offer guard Bradley Beal a three-year, $111 million maximum contract extension upon the All-Star becoming eligible to sign on Friday, Sheppard told ESPN. |
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babyskyhook Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:34 am Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | Tidbit from an ESPN story about the Wizards new GM that made me laugh out loud re: Dwight
Quote: | Leonsis saw the character of his roster start to evolve. Together, Sheppard and Leonsis engaged every day on John Wall's Achilles rehabilitation in Florida, watching tape of his work, talking to the franchise point guard and his trainers constantly. They had Bradley Beal in the draft room, talking through the kind of character changes on the roster that would complement the All-Star guard. They moved Dwight Howard out of the organization. ("The quickest trade I've ever done in my life," Sheppard said.) |
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But we need to sign him to keep him off the Clippers. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:45 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | Wizards to offer Beal 3-year, $111M extension
Quote: | Washington Wizards general manager Tommy Sheppard will offer guard Bradley Beal a three-year, $111 million maximum contract extension upon the All-Star becoming eligible to sign on Friday, Sheppard told ESPN. |
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Do it Beal! Secure your future! |
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kwase Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Rubin wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | if this + hiring kidd lands us giannis
all will be forgiven |
With $80 mil going to Lebron and AD it would be tough. |
I think it’s widely understood that in a 2021 max scenario, LeBron is either leaving or declining his PO and re-signing for a smaller number. Do we really need to point out the obvious like that? Lakers are clearly positioning themselves for a 2021 max FA run. |
The Lakers would have been much better off if they made that 4th year a team option. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:16 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: |
No, he could only get paid 130% of his salary with early Bird Rights, he needs 3 years for the 35% max. |
You’re wrong. He’s been in the league eight years, so he just needs two more to qualify for the 10 year max. And his early bird rights let him get paid 175% of his previous contract, which is plenty to hit the max.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25
“EARLY BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is a weaker form of the Larry Bird exception. It also allows teams to exceed the cap to re-sign their own free agents, but with more limited contracts than the Larry Bird exception. To qualify for this exception the player must play for two seasons without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent (see question number 32 for details and nuances to this rule). A team may use the Early Bird exception to re-sign its own free agent for up to 175% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course) or 105% of the average salary in the previous season3, whichever is greater (see question number 31 for the definition of "average salary").” |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:23 am Post subject: |
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kwase wrote: | [
The Lakers would have been much better off if they made that 4th year a team option. |
Lebron was coming off another finals appearance and coming in #2 in MVP voting. I can't imagine he would even consider giving a team option. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:48 am Post subject: |
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mxgardens wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | mxgardens wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Rubin wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | if this + hiring kidd lands us giannis
all will be forgiven |
With $80 mil going to Lebron and AD it would be tough. |
I think it’s widely understood that in a 2021 max scenario, LeBron is either leaving or declining his PO and re-signing for a smaller number. Do we really need to point out the obvious like that? Lakers are clearly positioning themselves for a 2021 max FA run. |
Your fantasy is hardly obvious. I realize that you might want that to happen but Lebron has never operated that way. A Kobe-like contract is more likely. If those discussions have been had I would like to read about it. |
LeBron has never operated that way? Other than his last contract, you mean? |
The one where he is paid the max? |
The one where he passed up more money to sign with the Lakers. |
He didn't actually pass up more money (at least not more money per year). He passed on an additional year that the Cavs could have offered. But he's taken shorter contracts before. It's more about giving himself flexibility to move on rather than about giving up money. |
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2019 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | mxgardens wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | mxgardens wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Rubin wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | if this + hiring kidd lands us giannis
all will be forgiven |
With $80 mil going to Lebron and AD it would be tough. |
I think it’s widely understood that in a 2021 max scenario, LeBron is either leaving or declining his PO and re-signing for a smaller number. Do we really need to point out the obvious like that? Lakers are clearly positioning themselves for a 2021 max FA run. |
Your fantasy is hardly obvious. I realize that you might want that to happen but Lebron has never operated that way. A Kobe-like contract is more likely. If those discussions have been had I would like to read about it. |
LeBron has never operated that way? Other than his last contract, you mean? |
The one where he is paid the max? |
The one where he passed up more money to sign with the Lakers. |
He didn't actually pass up more money (at least not more money per year). He passed on an additional year that the Cavs could have offered. But he's taken shorter contracts before. It's more about giving himself flexibility to move on rather than about giving up money. |
Yeah exactly. But you could also argue that it'd be far more advantageous to his legacy to take less and win another ring or two before hanging it up. He could win another next year or the following. Imagine if after that, he was able to win another? The GOAT convo changes quickly. Plus he gets to play against his son in LA. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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babyskyhook wrote: | ocho wrote: | Tidbit from an ESPN story about the Wizards new GM that made me laugh out loud re: Dwight
Quote: | Leonsis saw the character of his roster start to evolve. Together, Sheppard and Leonsis engaged every day on John Wall's Achilles rehabilitation in Florida, watching tape of his work, talking to the franchise point guard and his trainers constantly. They had Bradley Beal in the draft room, talking through the kind of character changes on the roster that would complement the All-Star guard. They moved Dwight Howard out of the organization. ("The quickest trade I've ever done in my life," Sheppard said.) |
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But we need to sign him to keep him off the Clippers. |
It's like the hot girl everyone tells you there's red flags about but you have a friend who chooses to ignore all the warnings. Except this one hasn't been attractive in years. _________________ Formerly OC Lakerfan |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty cool:
Quote: | Spurs legend Tim Duncan has joined Gregg Popovich's coaching staff as an assistant coach. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | Pretty cool:
Quote: | Spurs legend Tim Duncan has joined Gregg Popovich's coaching staff as an assistant coach. |
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That’s awesome |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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2019 wrote: |
Yeah exactly. But you could also argue that it'd be far more advantageous to his legacy to take less and win another ring or two before hanging it up. He could win another next year or the following. Imagine if after that, he was able to win another? The GOAT convo changes quickly. Plus he gets to play against his son in LA. |
The problem is taking less money doesn't guarantee he'll win a ring, and taking more money doesn't guarantee he won't.
It simply changes the odds in an amount that is impossible to gauge toward a goal (legacy/GOAT) that is vague and undefined. |
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babyskyhook Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Wizards to offer Beal 3-year, $111M extension
Quote: | Washington Wizards general manager Tommy Sheppard will offer guard Bradley Beal a three-year, $111 million maximum contract extension upon the All-Star becoming eligible to sign on Friday, Sheppard told ESPN. |
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Do it Beal! Secure your future! |
Just say No, and then join Lebron and AD on the Lakers, with Lebron taking the Manu special (one year at the min, with a nice payback the next year).
Lebron can use Manu as an example of a competitor that he respects who took less towards the end of his career in order to build a better team, which would enable him to navigate around his previous statements about not taking discounts, as he’ll be at a different point in his career by then.
That would also eliminate any chance of the NBA bringing up cap circumvention, because since the Spurs did it, (the “model organization”’of the NBA according to the media), it gives cover for the Lakers to do it also. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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babyskyhook wrote: | epak wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Wizards to offer Beal 3-year, $111M extension
Quote: | Washington Wizards general manager Tommy Sheppard will offer guard Bradley Beal a three-year, $111 million maximum contract extension upon the All-Star becoming eligible to sign on Friday, Sheppard told ESPN. |
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Do it Beal! Secure your future! |
Just say No, and then join Lebron and AD on the Lakers, with Lebron taking the Manu special (one year at the min, with a nice payback the next year).
Lebron can use Manu as an example of a competitor that he respects who took less towards the end of his career in order to build a better team, which would enable him to navigate around his previous statements about not taking discounts, as he’ll be at a different point in his career by then.
That would also eliminate any chance of the NBA bringing up cap circumvention, because since the Spurs did it, (the “model organization”’of the NBA according to the media), it gives cover for the Lakers to do it also. |
That's not what happened with Manu, according to Woj. In 2016, Manu signed a two-year contract that paid a little less than $3 million a year. After he opted out the second year, the Spurs again offered him just $3 million.
However, the 76ers shocked everyone by offering Manu $14 million. The Spurs matched because Duncan was retiring and they didn't want to lose them both Manu and Duncan at the same time.
Hard to imagine that the league would take that as precedence for Lebron declining a $40 million option, signing with the Lakers for much less so they could afford a max free agent, and then resigning the next year for the max. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | ocho wrote: | Pretty cool:
Quote: | Spurs legend Tim Duncan has joined Gregg Popovich's coaching staff as an assistant coach. |
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That’s awesome |
Humble leader, Hall of famer, knows the game, good for him. Hope he fails. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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If only we didn’t see these childhood friends that requested to play together actually play together and share the ball for another team....
(now I’m skeptical of the fit since Westbrick can’t shoot and seems to be declining physically) |
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babyskyhook Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | babyskyhook wrote: | epak wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Wizards to offer Beal 3-year, $111M extension
Quote: | Washington Wizards general manager Tommy Sheppard will offer guard Bradley Beal a three-year, $111 million maximum contract extension upon the All-Star becoming eligible to sign on Friday, Sheppard told ESPN. |
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Do it Beal! Secure your future! |
Just say No, and then join Lebron and AD on the Lakers, with Lebron taking the Manu special (one year at the min, with a nice payback the next year).
Lebron can use Manu as an example of a competitor that he respects who took less towards the end of his career in order to build a better team, which would enable him to navigate around his previous statements about not taking discounts, as he’ll be at a different point in his career by then.
That would also eliminate any chance of the NBA bringing up cap circumvention, because since the Spurs did it, (the “model organization”’of the NBA according to the media), it gives cover for the Lakers to do it also. |
That's not what happened with Manu, according to Woj. In 2016, Manu signed a two-year contract that paid a little less than $3 million a year. After he opted out the second year, the Spurs again offered him just $3 million.
However, the 76ers shocked everyone by offering Manu $14 million. The Spurs matched because Duncan was retiring and they didn't want to lose them both Manu and Duncan at the same time.
Hard to imagine that the league would take that as precedence for Lebron declining a $40 million option, signing with the Lakers for much less so they could afford a max free agent, and then resigning the next year for the max. |
I had forgotten about the Sixers. They were deep in the Process at that point, having just drafted Simmons, so it’s not like signing Manu made sense for either side.
What does make sense is Brett Brown, ex-Spur, helping get his FO to make a big offer to Manu so that he can resign with the Spurs at $15m after taking a small deal the year before without getting beat from the league office. Hinkie probably figured it would be good for Pop to owe him one for making a bogus offer.
Either way, Manu’s 2015-16 deal was way below market rate. That was his choice, so it would be interesting to see if Lebron would push the issue. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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Dreamshake wrote: |
If only we didn’t see these childhood friends that requested to play together actually play together and share the ball for another team....
(now I’m skeptical of the fit since Westbrick can’t shoot and seems to be declining physically) |
A lot has changed since then though. Both have won MVPs. Egos have inflated. I don't know how they'll work together but come on man, that was a lifetime ago. Well... 7 years is not a lifetime but it feels like it. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | Pretty cool:
Quote: | Spurs legend Tim Duncan has joined Gregg Popovich's coaching staff as an assistant coach. |
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The $15m/year no show job that the Spurs promised him. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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