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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:55 am    Post subject:

Robster8989 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
Rek wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
Rek wrote:
waterman40 wrote:
Imagine if we could have kept Zubac.

If you're going to imagine that scenario, then you have to additionally imagine that Kawhi didn't intentionally lie to our FO leading them to believe he was seriously considering signing with us. That's probably the only scenario where we don't purge or trade away all of those smaller contracts. Of course, that also means that AD has no reason to waive his trade kicker.

That's how this game of "What if..." works. We would have a very different roster and not necessarily better.


Zubac was a RFA

We could have renounced his rights once we got confirmation or kept him like in our current situation.

By trading him prematurely, the team was denied potential flexibility as a result.

This sounds nice in theory, but, it's not in line with reality.

Yes Magic was a moron for trading away Zubac like he did. However, even with Magic out of the picture, Zubac would have been long gone this summer in order to clear the cap space to pursue Kawhi.

There is no point in this equation that allows for "when we got confirmation" and then choosing to resign Zubac. It's not an accident that Rob went to the trouble of ensuring that Wagner, Bonga and Jones were all wiped from the roster to free up max cap space. It would have been no different for Zu. Our supposed "confirmation" came 6 days into free agency.

So, yes the trade was foolish. Everyone agrees with that. But, No, you would not have somehow resigned Zubac when Kawhi is out there intentionally lying to our FO.


Reality is we struck out and ended up with neither zubac nor kawhi because of magic's foolishness.

That's the point of Zubac. He was both a RFA while having a low cap hold, which meant multiple options within reason depending on how certain scenarios played out.

As BVH somewhat mentioned, the NBA moratorium prevented anything from being finalized before July 6th. Since Kawhi decided on July 5th, yes you could have waited for his confirmation before deciding to resign Zubac or not. Being an RFA meant Zubac couldn't just have been included in the AD trade without his permission, so it would have likely been done as listed before while renouncing his rights for cap space . The only issue would have been Zubac accepting an offer from another team. However, this is where a gm would earn his merritt and convinced him to wait given Zubac's love for being part of the laker organization.

Either way a zu or kawhi outcome isn't worst than the present where you have neither one. Even in the worst outcome, you at least had control of the situation instead of shutting the door in advance by trading Zubac prematurely.

Now instead we have to watch DH bring his baggage and potentially ruin laker chemistry again.

A good post.


Actually a great post.
If only we had actual professionals running our FO.


LoL actually its a bunch of fantasy posts, and we have "professionals" running the Lakers!

If only we had professional fans with opinions based on logic and reality, please allow me to clarify:

The Zu trade does not matter in the grand scheme and here is why:

To clear the maximum amount of Cap Space to make a run at Kahwi, the Lakers HAD TO dump EVERYONE except LeBron, Davis and Kuz ...

Got that? EVERYONE!

So even if the Lakers had not traded Zu/Beas for Musc, Zu would have been DUMPED (and renounced) after the season anyway to get to that $32mil spot for Kawhi.

period end of story...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:13 am    Post subject:

unleasHell wrote:
Robster8989 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
Rek wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
Rek wrote:
waterman40 wrote:
Imagine if we could have kept Zubac.

If you're going to imagine that scenario, then you have to additionally imagine that Kawhi didn't intentionally lie to our FO leading them to believe he was seriously considering signing with us. That's probably the only scenario where we don't purge or trade away all of those smaller contracts. Of course, that also means that AD has no reason to waive his trade kicker.

That's how this game of "What if..." works. We would have a very different roster and not necessarily better.


Zubac was a RFA

We could have renounced his rights once we got confirmation or kept him like in our current situation.

By trading him prematurely, the team was denied potential flexibility as a result.

This sounds nice in theory, but, it's not in line with reality.

Yes Magic was a moron for trading away Zubac like he did. However, even with Magic out of the picture, Zubac would have been long gone this summer in order to clear the cap space to pursue Kawhi.

There is no point in this equation that allows for "when we got confirmation" and then choosing to resign Zubac. It's not an accident that Rob went to the trouble of ensuring that Wagner, Bonga and Jones were all wiped from the roster to free up max cap space. It would have been no different for Zu. Our supposed "confirmation" came 6 days into free agency.

So, yes the trade was foolish. Everyone agrees with that. But, No, you would not have somehow resigned Zubac when Kawhi is out there intentionally lying to our FO.


Reality is we struck out and ended up with neither zubac nor kawhi because of magic's foolishness.

That's the point of Zubac. He was both a RFA while having a low cap hold, which meant multiple options within reason depending on how certain scenarios played out.

As BVH somewhat mentioned, the NBA moratorium prevented anything from being finalized before July 6th. Since Kawhi decided on July 5th, yes you could have waited for his confirmation before deciding to resign Zubac or not. Being an RFA meant Zubac couldn't just have been included in the AD trade without his permission, so it would have likely been done as listed before while renouncing his rights for cap space . The only issue would have been Zubac accepting an offer from another team. However, this is where a gm would earn his merritt and convinced him to wait given Zubac's love for being part of the laker organization.

Either way a zu or kawhi outcome isn't worst than the present where you have neither one. Even in the worst outcome, you at least had control of the situation instead of shutting the door in advance by trading Zubac prematurely.

Now instead we have to watch DH bring his baggage and potentially ruin laker chemistry again.

A good post.


Actually a great post.
If only we had actual professionals running our FO.


LoL actually its a bunch of fantasy posts, and we have "professionals" running the Lakers!

If only we had professional fans with opinions based on logic and reality, please allow me to clarify:

The Zu trade does not matter in the grand scheme and here is why:

To clear the maximum amount of Cap Space to make a run at Kahwi, the Lakers HAD TO dump EVERYONE except LeBron, Davis and Kuz ...

Got that? EVERYONE!

So even if the Lakers had not traded Zu/Beas for Musc, Zu would have been DUMPED (and renounced) after the season anyway to get to that $32mil spot for Kawhi.

period end of story...

This is not a good post. Nor is it a great post.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:44 am    Post subject:

unleasHell wrote:
Robster8989 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
Rek wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
Rek wrote:
waterman40 wrote:
Imagine if we could have kept Zubac.

If you're going to imagine that scenario, then you have to additionally imagine that Kawhi didn't intentionally lie to our FO leading them to believe he was seriously considering signing with us. That's probably the only scenario where we don't purge or trade away all of those smaller contracts. Of course, that also means that AD has no reason to waive his trade kicker.

That's how this game of "What if..." works. We would have a very different roster and not necessarily better.


Zubac was a RFA

We could have renounced his rights once we got confirmation or kept him like in our current situation.

By trading him prematurely, the team was denied potential flexibility as a result.

This sounds nice in theory, but, it's not in line with reality.

Yes Magic was a moron for trading away Zubac like he did. However, even with Magic out of the picture, Zubac would have been long gone this summer in order to clear the cap space to pursue Kawhi.

There is no point in this equation that allows for "when we got confirmation" and then choosing to resign Zubac. It's not an accident that Rob went to the trouble of ensuring that Wagner, Bonga and Jones were all wiped from the roster to free up max cap space. It would have been no different for Zu. Our supposed "confirmation" came 6 days into free agency.

So, yes the trade was foolish. Everyone agrees with that. But, No, you would not have somehow resigned Zubac when Kawhi is out there intentionally lying to our FO.


Reality is we struck out and ended up with neither zubac nor kawhi because of magic's foolishness.

That's the point of Zubac. He was both a RFA while having a low cap hold, which meant multiple options within reason depending on how certain scenarios played out.

As BVH somewhat mentioned, the NBA moratorium prevented anything from being finalized before July 6th. Since Kawhi decided on July 5th, yes you could have waited for his confirmation before deciding to resign Zubac or not. Being an RFA meant Zubac couldn't just have been included in the AD trade without his permission, so it would have likely been done as listed before while renouncing his rights for cap space . The only issue would have been Zubac accepting an offer from another team. However, this is where a gm would earn his merritt and convinced him to wait given Zubac's love for being part of the laker organization.

Either way a zu or kawhi outcome isn't worst than the present where you have neither one. Even in the worst outcome, you at least had control of the situation instead of shutting the door in advance by trading Zubac prematurely.

Now instead we have to watch DH bring his baggage and potentially ruin laker chemistry again.

A good post.


Actually a great post.
If only we had actual professionals running our FO.


LoL actually its a bunch of fantasy posts, and we have "professionals" running the Lakers!

If only we had professional fans with opinions based on logic and reality, please allow me to clarify:

The Zu trade does not matter in the grand scheme and here is why:

To clear the maximum amount of Cap Space to make a run at Kahwi, the Lakers HAD TO dump EVERYONE except LeBron, Davis and Kuz ...

Got that? EVERYONE!

So even if the Lakers had not traded Zu/Beas for Musc, Zu would have been DUMPED (and renounced) after the season anyway to get to that $32mil spot for Kawhi.

period end of story...


That is as wrong as cheese on a hamburger. We could very well have pursued Kawhi while hanging onto Zubac. You only need the cap space to sign him, not to negotiate. As a matter of fact, that is how the rest of the teams in the league operate. Our FO and their lack of experience haven’t realized that. You are right, we do need more fans who know how the league operates.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:11 am    Post subject:

unleasHell wrote:
Robster8989 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
Rek wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
Rek wrote:
waterman40 wrote:
Imagine if we could have kept Zubac.

If you're going to imagine that scenario, then you have to additionally imagine that Kawhi didn't intentionally lie to our FO leading them to believe he was seriously considering signing with us. That's probably the only scenario where we don't purge or trade away all of those smaller contracts. Of course, that also means that AD has no reason to waive his trade kicker.

That's how this game of "What if..." works. We would have a very different roster and not necessarily better.


Zubac was a RFA

We could have renounced his rights once we got confirmation or kept him like in our current situation.

By trading him prematurely, the team was denied potential flexibility as a result.

This sounds nice in theory, but, it's not in line with reality.

Yes Magic was a moron for trading away Zubac like he did. However, even with Magic out of the picture, Zubac would have been long gone this summer in order to clear the cap space to pursue Kawhi.

There is no point in this equation that allows for "when we got confirmation" and then choosing to resign Zubac. It's not an accident that Rob went to the trouble of ensuring that Wagner, Bonga and Jones were all wiped from the roster to free up max cap space. It would have been no different for Zu. Our supposed "confirmation" came 6 days into free agency.

So, yes the trade was foolish. Everyone agrees with that. But, No, you would not have somehow resigned Zubac when Kawhi is out there intentionally lying to our FO.


Reality is we struck out and ended up with neither zubac nor kawhi because of magic's foolishness.

That's the point of Zubac. He was both a RFA while having a low cap hold, which meant multiple options within reason depending on how certain scenarios played out.

As BVH somewhat mentioned, the NBA moratorium prevented anything from being finalized before July 6th. Since Kawhi decided on July 5th, yes you could have waited for his confirmation before deciding to resign Zubac or not. Being an RFA meant Zubac couldn't just have been included in the AD trade without his permission, so it would have likely been done as listed before while renouncing his rights for cap space . The only issue would have been Zubac accepting an offer from another team. However, this is where a gm would earn his merritt and convinced him to wait given Zubac's love for being part of the laker organization.

Either way a zu or kawhi outcome isn't worst than the present where you have neither one. Even in the worst outcome, you at least had control of the situation instead of shutting the door in advance by trading Zubac prematurely.

Now instead we have to watch DH bring his baggage and potentially ruin laker chemistry again.

A good post.


Actually a great post.
If only we had actual professionals running our FO.


LoL actually its a bunch of fantasy posts, and we have "professionals" running the Lakers!

If only we had professional fans with opinions based on logic and reality, please allow me to clarify:

The Zu trade does not matter in the grand scheme and here is why:

To clear the maximum amount of Cap Space to make a run at Kahwi, the Lakers HAD TO dump EVERYONE except LeBron, Davis and Kuz ...

Got that? EVERYONE!

So even if the Lakers had not traded Zu/Beas for Musc, Zu would have been DUMPED (and renounced) after the season anyway to get to that $32mil spot for Kawhi.

period end of story...


Bonga, Wagner etc had actual contracts that needed another team to help clear/remove.

Zubac had a cap hold that could have been cleared/removed by sending paperwork to the league office and maybe a phone call.

In a decision tree, there are places to make choices and then branches to follow depending on the choices made .

They made a decision on Zubac in February when they could have waited to see how free agency was going to work out in early July. If events started to unfold with a need for as much cap space possible, then do what is needed at that point in time.

Things went in a different direction with cap space to fill and Zubac's cap hold wouldn't have been a problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:27 pm    Post subject:

Trade deadline might be fun this year
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:11 am    Post subject:

One thing worth noticing is roster balance as mentioned in another thread.

SF Lebron only true SF
PF AD, Kuzma, Dudley
C McGee, Howard, Cousins *
SG Green, KCP, Daniels, Tucker
PG Bradley,Cook, Caruso, Rondo

So there are eight guards but one SF.
Can Kuzma or KCP play backup SF? If not there is trouble.
Why is there a need for so many PGs?

What is a solution for the backup SF position?
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2020 Free agents we should go for.

1. Joe Harris
2. Harrell
3. Levert
4. Bogdan
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:29 am    Post subject:

laker50 wrote:
One thing worth noticing is roster balance as mentioned in another thread.

SF Lebron only true SF
PF AD, Kuzma, Dudley
C McGee, Howard, Cousins *
SG Green, KCP, Daniels, Tucker
PG Bradley,Cook, Caruso, Rondo

So there are eight guards but one SF.
Can Kuzma or KCP play backup SF? If not there is trouble.
Why is there a need for so many PGs?

What is a solution for the backup SF position?


I agree, it is a log jam. The thinking must be that Kuzma, KCP, and maybe Dudley are the backup SF’s. I didn’t say it was a great strategy, but there it is.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:50 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
unleasHell wrote:
Robster8989 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
Rek wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
Rek wrote:
waterman40 wrote:
Imagine if we could have kept Zubac.

If you're going to imagine that scenario, then you have to additionally imagine that Kawhi didn't intentionally lie to our FO leading them to believe he was seriously considering signing with us. That's probably the only scenario where we don't purge or trade away all of those smaller contracts. Of course, that also means that AD has no reason to waive his trade kicker.

That's how this game of "What if..." works. We would have a very different roster and not necessarily better.


Zubac was a RFA

We could have renounced his rights once we got confirmation or kept him like in our current situation.

By trading him prematurely, the team was denied potential flexibility as a result.

This sounds nice in theory, but, it's not in line with reality.

Yes Magic was a moron for trading away Zubac like he did. However, even with Magic out of the picture, Zubac would have been long gone this summer in order to clear the cap space to pursue Kawhi.

There is no point in this equation that allows for "when we got confirmation" and then choosing to resign Zubac. It's not an accident that Rob went to the trouble of ensuring that Wagner, Bonga and Jones were all wiped from the roster to free up max cap space. It would have been no different for Zu. Our supposed "confirmation" came 6 days into free agency.

So, yes the trade was foolish. Everyone agrees with that. But, No, you would not have somehow resigned Zubac when Kawhi is out there intentionally lying to our FO.


Reality is we struck out and ended up with neither zubac nor kawhi because of magic's foolishness.

That's the point of Zubac. He was both a RFA while having a low cap hold, which meant multiple options within reason depending on how certain scenarios played out.

As BVH somewhat mentioned, the NBA moratorium prevented anything from being finalized before July 6th. Since Kawhi decided on July 5th, yes you could have waited for his confirmation before deciding to resign Zubac or not. Being an RFA meant Zubac couldn't just have been included in the AD trade without his permission, so it would have likely been done as listed before while renouncing his rights for cap space . The only issue would have been Zubac accepting an offer from another team. However, this is where a gm would earn his merritt and convinced him to wait given Zubac's love for being part of the laker organization.

Either way a zu or kawhi outcome isn't worst than the present where you have neither one. Even in the worst outcome, you at least had control of the situation instead of shutting the door in advance by trading Zubac prematurely.

Now instead we have to watch DH bring his baggage and potentially ruin laker chemistry again.

A good post.


Actually a great post.
If only we had actual professionals running our FO.


LoL actually its a bunch of fantasy posts, and we have "professionals" running the Lakers!

If only we had professional fans with opinions based on logic and reality, please allow me to clarify:

The Zu trade does not matter in the grand scheme and here is why:

To clear the maximum amount of Cap Space to make a run at Kahwi, the Lakers HAD TO dump EVERYONE except LeBron, Davis and Kuz ...

Got that? EVERYONE!

So even if the Lakers had not traded Zu/Beas for Musc, Zu would have been DUMPED (and renounced) after the season anyway to get to that $32mil spot for Kawhi.

period end of story...


That is as wrong as cheese on a hamburger. We could very well have pursued Kawhi while hanging onto Zubac. You only need the cap space to sign him, not to negotiate. As a matter of fact, that is how the rest of the teams in the league operate. Our FO and their lack of experience haven’t realized that. You are right, we do need more fans who know how the league operates.

You are talking about two different things. YES, Magic was an idiot for the Zubac trade (for many of the reasons mentioned re flexibility, etc.). But our current FO, and its moves this off season, have nothing to do with what MIGHT have been done with Zubac as a RFA. Fair to criticize the current FO, but not based on Zubac.
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Convenient to separate last season’s moves with this season’s moves because of Magic isn’t it?
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Convenient to separate last season’s moves with this season’s moves because of Magic isn’t it?

Are you new to the Lakers? Are you ignorant of the fact that the media all reported that the Zubac trade was Magic’s decision (and in fact Magic has called it “the trade I made”?
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Convenient to separate last season’s moves with this season’s moves because of Magic isn’t it?

Are you new to the Lakers? Are you ignorant of the fact that the media all reported that the Zubac trade was Magic’s decision (and in fact Magic has called it “the trade I made”?


He’s a clippers fan. Just ignore him.
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Kobesystem wrote:
2020 Free agents we should go for.

1. Joe Harris
2. Harrell
3. Levert
4. Bogdan

Levert and Bogdan² are both RFAs and will cost more than what the Lakers have to offer.
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Convenient to separate last season’s moves with this season’s moves because of Magic isn’t it?

Are you new to the Lakers? Are you ignorant of the fact that the media all reported that the Zubac trade was Magic’s decision (and in fact Magic has called it “the trade I made”?


Magic also took ownership of the tampering fine and offered to pay it. Despite the fact that it was Pelinka who tampered. I’m not new to the Lakers nor am I naive.
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Trade deadline might be fun this year



Don't know if fun but a couple of our guards will be on display for
a FA or two.
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Caris got 52.5/3 years not bad
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
2020 Free agents we should go for.

1. Joe Harris
2. Harrell
3. Levert
4. Bogdan

Levert and Bogdan² are both RFAs and will cost more than what the Lakers have to offer.


I bet levert gets extended before even reaching free agency
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Trade deadline might be fun this year



Don't know if fun but a couple of our guards will be on display for
a FA or two.


8 guards? Sheesh
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epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
2020 Free agents we should go for.

1. Joe Harris
2. Harrell
3. Levert
4. Bogdan

Levert and Bogdan² are both RFAs and will cost more than what the Lakers have to offer.


I bet levert gets extended before even reaching free agency

That'd be crazy. I can't see him doing that for anything less than $100M.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:37 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
2020 Free agents we should go for.

1. Joe Harris
2. Harrell
3. Levert
4. Bogdan

Levert and Bogdan² are both RFAs and will cost more than what the Lakers have to offer.


I bet levert gets extended before even reaching free agency

That'd be crazy. I can't see him doing that for anything less than $100M.


3 years 52 million
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LaLaLakeShow wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
2020 Free agents we should go for.

1. Joe Harris
2. Harrell
3. Levert
4. Bogdan

Levert and Bogdan² are both RFAs and will cost more than what the Lakers have to offer.


I bet levert gets extended before even reaching free agency

That'd be crazy. I can't see him doing that for anything less than $100M.


3 years 52 million


I'd say $52.5 if he extends
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epak wrote:
LaLaLakeShow wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
2020 Free agents we should go for.

1. Joe Harris
2. Harrell
3. Levert
4. Bogdan

Levert and Bogdan² are both RFAs and will cost more than what the Lakers have to offer.


I bet levert gets extended before even reaching free agency

That'd be crazy. I can't see him doing that for anything less than $100M.


3 years 52 million


I'd say $52.5 if he extends

Alright there, Drew Carey, you're not winning a new washer and dryer set here.

Besides, it'll be something like $101.5M I bet.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:10 am    Post subject:

Just wondering how much cap hold does AD have next summer and how much cap space will we have.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:12 am    Post subject:

DLaker wrote:
Just wondering how much cap hold does AD have next summer and how much cap space will we have.


Very large one, and we won't have too much cap space (especially if we are hoarding for the hope of 2021 cap space).
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:50 am    Post subject:

DLaker wrote:
Just wondering how much cap hold does AD have next summer and how much cap space will we have.


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He has an option year for next season at $28,751,775.


With him deciding to go into free agency:

37. How much do free agents count toward team salary?


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The free agent amount depends on the player's previous salary and what kind of free agent he is:


Kind of free agent..............................................Previous salary.........................Free agent amount

Any...................................................................Minimum salary.........................Portion of minimum salary not reimbursed by the league (see question number 22)

Larry Bird, not coming off rookie scale contract.....At least the average salary1.......150% of his previous salary2




2 A player's free agent amount is never less than his minimum salary or greater than his maximum salary, based on his years of service (see question numbers 22 and 23).



His salary for the current season is $27,093,019 which will be his previous salary in July 2020.

150% Calculation............30% of Salary Cap Calculation

$27,093,019.......................$116,000,000
..........X1.5................................X0.3
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$40,639,529..........................$34,800,000


With a $116 million salary cap, his cap hold will be his possible $34,800,000 mid tier max salary.
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