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| 1ngr4m wrote: | | OC Lakerfan wrote: | Pure speculation here...
Ariza makes room for BI to be traded as we lack a bigger wing if BI is traded. SVI has been playing over Lance and company to showcase him. Lakers gunning for AD.
Lakers hear through back channels they can’t get KD so they go for AD now. I would take more depth and the likes of Harris + Harrell for more depths. |
some of you guys will find a way to link anything to Ingram being traded |
Doubtful that NO wants Ingram over AD.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Ariza gives us so much added defensive versatility, this would be a no brainer trade. People are missing the point being against this - its shooter for shooter + a large defensive boost. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Major fail by the FO if they have to give up draft picks to get Ariza when we could have just signed him as a FA this last offseason and used the draft picks to dump Deng (similar to the deal the Bucks just did for George Hill). |
How do you know we could have signed him as a FA? Do you know his agent? Also Lakers had no cap room left to sign Ariza last summer, they also weren’t gonna pay him 15M especially since KCP was a must to make room for LeBron. |
How do you know KCP was a must to make room for Lebron? Do you know his agent? |
Because when you make a agent happy he does you a favor, Ariza’s agent is Aaron Mintz, both KCP and LeBron are Klutch Clients, getting KCP last summer at the least increased our chances at retaining LeBron. |
But do you know his agent? How do you know this?
Lebron agreed to sign with the Lakers before KCP agreed to resign. Do you really think Lebron wouldn't have signed with the Lakers if the Lakers decided to go after Ariza instead of KCP?
Lakers had $15m to go after Ariza instead of KCP if they wanted to. |
Isn’t it coincidence that both KCP and LeBron basically signed at the same time, I gotta think both parties had a wink-wink deal... if KCP gets traded to get more PT that is another favor for Rich Paul, this is all apart of making a agent happy. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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I can see why KCP's agent would agree to a trade where he can get more minutes.
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| Megaton wrote: | | Now IDEALLY, I would love it if a deal was sending just Lance, Beasley, Zu and a filler like Caruso to acquire Ariza. We would get rid of a lot of fat for a big impactful player while also leaving us room to bring up other more useful players like Travis Wear again, etc. |
You should expect then to get 4 players in return
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| awntawn wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Major fail by the FO if they have to give up draft picks to get Ariza when we could have just signed him as a FA this last offseason and used the draft picks to dump Deng (similar to the deal the Bucks just did for George Hill). |
How do you know we could have signed him as a FA? Do you know his agent? Also Lakers had no cap room left to sign Ariza last summer, they also weren’t gonna pay him 15M especially since KCP was a must to make room for LeBron. |
How do you know KCP was a must to make room for Lebron? Do you know his agent? |
Because when you make a agent happy he does you a favor, Ariza’s agent is Aaron Mintz, both KCP and LeBron are Klutch Clients, getting KCP last summer at the least increased our chances at retaining LeBron. |
I'd like to think that though Lebron was likely coming to LA no matter what, our young core made him pick the Lakers over the Clippers, and Magic made him willing to sign a 4 year deal |
Sure that can be true, but Rich Paul was probably more enticed to do the Lakers a favor when they bought back his client, no one knew KCP’s role would be diminished this year, that is why they are trying to move him to a team that can help him get his decent contract next year, the Lakers know how to operate when it comes to making business moves. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | awntawn wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Major fail by the FO if they have to give up draft picks to get Ariza when we could have just signed him as a FA this last offseason and used the draft picks to dump Deng (similar to the deal the Bucks just did for George Hill). |
How do you know we could have signed him as a FA? Do you know his agent? Also Lakers had no cap room left to sign Ariza last summer, they also weren’t gonna pay him 15M especially since KCP was a must to make room for LeBron. |
How do you know KCP was a must to make room for Lebron? Do you know his agent? |
Because when you make a agent happy he does you a favor, Ariza’s agent is Aaron Mintz, both KCP and LeBron are Klutch Clients, getting KCP last summer at the least increased our chances at retaining LeBron. |
I'd like to think that though Lebron was likely coming to LA no matter what, our young core made him pick the Lakers over the Clippers, and Magic made him willing to sign a 4 year deal |
Sure that can be true, but Rich Paul was probably more enticed to do the Lakers a favor when they bought back his client, no one knew KCP’s role would be diminished this year, that is why they are trying to move him to a team that can help him get his decent contract next year, the Lakers know how to operate when it comes to making business moves. |
i thought they were diminishing kcp so that they showcase hart and kuz etc, to use for a trade later. but thats just me. i also dont think kcp for ariza is a big deal, its a wash. and i wouldnt do it because we already have kcp our only good ft shooter and 3pt shooter. |
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Is it possible that Lakers can get AD and Ariza if the third team is the Pelicans?
AD, Ariza to Lakers
Ball to Suns
BI, KCP, 1st round pick and another player from Suns to Pelicans |
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | awntawn wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Major fail by the FO if they have to give up draft picks to get Ariza when we could have just signed him as a FA this last offseason and used the draft picks to dump Deng (similar to the deal the Bucks just did for George Hill). |
How do you know we could have signed him as a FA? Do you know his agent? Also Lakers had no cap room left to sign Ariza last summer, they also weren’t gonna pay him 15M especially since KCP was a must to make room for LeBron. |
How do you know KCP was a must to make room for Lebron? Do you know his agent? |
Because when you make a agent happy he does you a favor, Ariza’s agent is Aaron Mintz, both KCP and LeBron are Klutch Clients, getting KCP last summer at the least increased our chances at retaining LeBron. |
I'd like to think that though Lebron was likely coming to LA no matter what, our young core made him pick the Lakers over the Clippers, and Magic made him willing to sign a 4 year deal |
Sure that can be true, but Rich Paul was probably more enticed to do the Lakers a favor when they bought back his client, no one knew KCP’s role would be diminished this year, that is why they are trying to move him to a team that can help him get his decent contract next year, the Lakers know how to operate when it comes to making business moves. |
i thought they were diminishing kcp so that they showcase hart and kuz etc, to use for a trade later. but thats just me. i also dont think kcp for ariza is a big deal, its a wash. and i wouldnt do it because we already have kcp our only good ft shooter and 3pt shooter. |
But Hart is a better 3pt shooter |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | awntawn wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Major fail by the FO if they have to give up draft picks to get Ariza when we could have just signed him as a FA this last offseason and used the draft picks to dump Deng (similar to the deal the Bucks just did for George Hill). |
How do you know we could have signed him as a FA? Do you know his agent? Also Lakers had no cap room left to sign Ariza last summer, they also weren’t gonna pay him 15M especially since KCP was a must to make room for LeBron. |
How do you know KCP was a must to make room for Lebron? Do you know his agent? |
Because when you make a agent happy he does you a favor, Ariza’s agent is Aaron Mintz, both KCP and LeBron are Klutch Clients, getting KCP last summer at the least increased our chances at retaining LeBron. |
I'd like to think that though Lebron was likely coming to LA no matter what, our young core made him pick the Lakers over the Clippers, and Magic made him willing to sign a 4 year deal |
Sure that can be true, but Rich Paul was probably more enticed to do the Lakers a favor when they bought back his client, no one knew KCP’s role would be diminished this year, that is why they are trying to move him to a team that can help him get his decent contract next year, the Lakers know how to operate when it comes to making business moves. |
i thought they were diminishing kcp so that they showcase hart and kuz etc, to use for a trade later. but thats just me. i also dont think kcp for ariza is a big deal, its a wash. and i wouldnt do it because we already have kcp our only good ft shooter and 3pt shooter. |
I agree, if anything KCP is playing much better lately then Ariza has all season. The games I have watched so far this season of Ariza, he hasn't looked like his old self at all and his stats mirror that. Ariza is a bit of an upgrade defensively but even that isn't huge.
Obviously, if it's part of a bigger trade to make things work then it's pretty much a wash and not a big deal either way imo even though it would be cool to see Ariza in a Lakers jersey again I guess. |
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| It has to be KCP. Not sure if this has been addressed, but why would it need to be a 3 team trade? Why not just trade directly with The Suns? Because KCP has a no trade provision in his contract (due to one-year contract players losing bird rights in a trade) and won't sign off on a trade to the tanking Suns. They are trying to find a third team that KCP will agree to not to veto. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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I read an idea on twitter where possibly to send kcp. Indiana or Minnesota?
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | It has to be KCP. Not sure if this has been addressed, but why would it need to be a 3 team trade? Why not just trade directly with The Suns? Because KCP has a no trade provision in his contract (due to one-year contract players losing bird rights in a trade) and won't sign off on a trade to the tanking Suns. They are trying to find a third team that KCP will agree to not to veto. |
The Suns want a playmaking guard and draft picks in a three-way.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Ariza can be traded until January 15. Apologies if already discussed. |
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I'm not sure how this makes us better since KCP is no slouch defensively. Ariza can guard bigger dudes, but has he been guarding this year? Ariza shooting 36% overall and 34% from three. KCP 38% overall, 34% from three. So I guess, we'll be getting more of the same clanks and occasional buckets. KCP is starting to turn the corner and % seems to be on the upward trend.
I won't cry though since both are expiring and not part of the future. |
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| Kookie Monster wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | It has to be KCP. Not sure if this has been addressed, but why would it need to be a 3 team trade? Why not just trade directly with The Suns? Because KCP has a no trade provision in his contract (due to one-year contract players losing bird rights in a trade) and won't sign off on a trade to the tanking Suns. They are trying to find a third team that KCP will agree to not to veto. |
The Suns want a playmaking guard and draft picks in a three-way.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Ariza can be traded until January 15, not December 15. Sorry, if already discussed. |
He is eligible on Dec 15th. Still, if I am KCP I am vetoing a Suns trade. |
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| Runway8 wrote: | I'm not sure how this makes us better since KCP is no slouch defensively. Ariza can guard bigger dudes, but has he been guarding this year? Ariza shooting 36% overall and 34% from three. KCP 38% overall, 34% from three. So I guess, we'll be betting more of the same clanks and occasional buckets.
I won't cry though since both are expiring and not part of the future. |
I believe Ariza has more to offer to a competitive team than the Phoenix Suns , but thats just me |
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No they’re not.
They are regurgitating the Woj/ESPN mention. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I feel like Ariza is more active than KCP. Moves more without the ball, cuts, runs the floor. Puts the opposing defense a bit more on their heels than KCP does. |
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| leking006 wrote: | Is it possible that Lakers can get AD and Ariza if the third team is the Pelicans?
AD, Ariza to Lakers
Ball to Suns
BI, KCP, 1st round pick and another player from Suns to Pelicans |
Man the Suns make out like bandits in this trade. They unload a bad contract and in return they get Lonzo Ball - (Lonzo Ball, a player some on here wouldn't even trade for De'Aaron Fox at this point). |
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| ringfinger wrote: |
No they’re not.
They are regurgitating the Woj/ESPN mention. |
Thanks. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| leking006 wrote: | Is it possible that Lakers can get AD and Ariza if the third team is the Pelicans?
AD, Ariza to Lakers
Ball to Suns
BI, KCP, 1st round pick and another player from Suns to Pelicans |
Then the headline would not be about Ariza.
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