Post Trade Logic and Reason Thread

Laker_Town · Retired Number Joined: 26 Jun 2006 Posts: 25604

We got a#4 when we had virtually no chance. House money

Laker_Jocker · Star Player Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 2807

I think the only thing to be concerned about is how to get the necessary depth post trade (ala the other thread that is now missing). The order of signings will be key....

At June 30 when free agents signings can be agreed, my calculation is that Laker cap space = LBJ,BI,ZO,Kuz,Hart,Wagner,Bonga,Deng+4 cap holds and the #4 rookie contract @ 5.8M = 33.475M free cap (although I am not sure if #4 factors into possible cap because teams over cap can sign their rookies - if that does not factor then Lakers would have 39M). Assuming it can be figured out so that the 3rd star is signed prior for either 33M or 38M, the trade of ZO,BI,Hart,Picks is about 23.8M and AD is 27M. This altogether would mean Lakers are over cap when trying to fill out the roster.

So, maybe a cap person could chime in but I believe teams over the cap have 1 room exception of about 4.7M (and spotrac.com says Lakers have a trade exception for Zubac of 1.5M which I think could go into AD trade). Anything else is vet minimums and/or non-guaranteed contracts..

So, again, correct me if i'm wrong but the Lakers can "afford" the 3 stars AD-LBJ-Max Guy, 1 decent vet at 4.7M, then only value contracts - Kuz, Wagner, Bonga or other second rounders and whatever ring chasers will take minimum.

Given all that, and assuming the 3rd star is Kyrie or Kawhi, my take for targets to surround would be:

Guards - Rondo (because of the AD connection), Rose (played with LBJ in Cleveland), Jamal Crawford (dropped 51 points on 4/9/2019), Collison (Vogel connection), Make-em-Dance???, Caruso (deserves a minimum spot)

Forwards - none (already have LBJ,AD,Kuz,Wagner,Bonga)

Bigs - McGee (listening to his interviews I think he likes LA alot), Lopez (wanted to stay in LA - give him an annual pass to Galaxy's Edge), Chandler (If he has anything left he definitely will stay for minimum), Williams (deserves a minimum spot). I also think Boogie is now an option for minimum based on the KD and Klay injuries...

LakerLogic · Franchise Player Joined: 27 Mar 2005 Posts: 17886

We definitely need to bring back Caruso.

activeverb · Retired Number Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 37470

slavavov · Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:41 pm Post subject:

Realistically, here's an educated guess on how the assets we traded will pan out:

1. Ingram (if he stays healthy) will become an All-Star, maybe not next year but eventually. Maybe not every year, but at least once. He's that good. There's maybe an outside chance he even becomes a superstar if he really wants it.

2. Lonzo Ball may improve his outside shooting somewhat, but he'll likely always be at least somewhat of an offensive liability. I've always felt like expecting him to start shooting 45% and 35+% from downtown is almost asking too much from him. Plus, he's injury prone, soft and passive. And his dad is a dipsh!tte. As much as I liked his defense, overall I'm really glad Lonzo, his dad and his fanboys are finally gone.

3. Hart is a nice role player. He hasn't proven he's a consistently good 3-point shooter, but if he stays healthy I think he will. He's the player I will miss most.

4. It's hard to predict what the #4 pick will yield for them. If they keep it, they say that Garland is somewhat of a project (I don't watch college basketball). They may be better off trading it for someone like Zach LaVine if they think he'll be worth his contract.

5. The other first round picks, more likely than not, will be low picks, which means that more likely than not they won't amount to much.

A great haul for NOLA. Maybe we paid a little too much compared to what other superstars have gotten their former teams, but we didn't get fleeced.

Now the big question is how will we fill out the rest of the team. But assuming this trade goes down as stated, the hardest part is over.
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After the Lakers extend AD and sign one max free agent or split up the max money for a couple of free agents on 2-3 year deals they will be over the cap for at least the remainder of Lebron’s contract. What does Kuzma being paid such a low salary have any benefit for the team at that point?

You can go over the cap to re-sign first round picks coming off of their rookie contracts. This means that Kuzma, Lonzo or BI could all get as much as is legally possible under the CBA regardless of whether the Lakers would be under the cap at the time that each was a free agent.

The few million that Lonzo or BI make over Kuzma now is insignificant, as they all play above their salaries on the court and most likely earn the team more money than they cost the team off the court.

So PLEASE stop restating the complete and utter fallacy that Kuzma’s salary is why th Lakers kept him. They could have included Kuzma, Wagner and Bonga instead of Lonzo and still got the deal done and kept the max slot open. Losing Wagner and Bonga is worth being able to keep Lonzo instead of Kuzma. The same could have been done if we decided to keep Ingram. In the case losing Wagner and Bonga is DEFINITELY worth being able to keep Ingram instead of Kuzma.

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maddprophet · Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:41 am Post subject:

I expect KCP back at a discount
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pio2u · Retired Number Joined: 26 Dec 2012 Posts: 54570

Commissioner Silver needs to force the Pelicans to return, at least, one of our future draft picks for "basketball reasons."

hydrohead · Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:48 am Post subject:

Perhaps i was naive to think Ball, ingram and the #4 was going to get it done.
Hart had some nice versatility and could also play off the ball well, so o saw him a kuzma as good fits. plus the scouting dept does such a good job at picking late round picks, it really reduces their value to the organization.
However, i don’t deny there were some solid deals on the table which forces pelinka to give NOLA the motherload.
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Lakerchaq · Starting Rotation Joined: 07 May 2019 Posts: 300

You give whatever it takes to get AD. Whatever! Specially if you have Lebron 28-8-8 James on your team. We gave away prospects that might never become valuable. I wish we kept the pick and traded kuzma but I’m fine with this because I didn’t want to risk another PG or Kawhi situation. It’s cool. Time to compete every single year for the next 6 years.

Lonzo: He sucks. He really does. Don’t let his inflated stats fool you, look at MCW. When he fixes his shot, he will just be a decent player. IF??? When was the last time someone went from shooting 44% FT to becoming a good shooter? Bad motor, timid, afraid of contact.

Ingram: TOS. I had it and let me tell you. He will not be the same. His shooting fluidity is gone! When they take out the piece of muscle that is obstructing your vain, your chest (parts of shoulder also) becomes numb. Not only that... but now that piece of muscle is missing so when you do any movements you def notice its not there. Doing push ups, lifting, shooting, everything. He was the guy with talent. He was headed towards 25-5-5 hopefully this injury didn’t affect it as bad.

Hart:

trash. Not enough size, not enough quickness, limited offensively. Can be found with a 2nd rounder.

4th pick: garland will be special but we will grab him in 5 years

The picks will be trash since we will be winning, even after Lebron retires I see Klutch accomodating Davis with the right talent around him. We will be coming off a few rings and the culture will be popping

We won. We got a guy that produces more than all our young guys together. Everynight you have won your match up at his position. go look on youtube how he cooks GSW... no team can stop this man.

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Laker_Town · Retired Number Joined: 26 Jun 2006 Posts: 25604

I'm so mad RightNow. We got AD.

DShotMaker1824 · Star Player Joined: 16 Feb 2012 Posts: 8768

We got AD, which I really did not expect. Hence, due to the Warriors being irrelevant for the next year, it's Championship or bust.
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waterman40 · Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:02 am Post subject:

To me, it looks like we are trying the Miami plan; 3 stars, hope to get 2-3 decent role players, and the rest is d-leaguers and cast offs.

No one can guarantee a championship, despite whatever roster you build. GS seemed like a lock, then Durant goes down in the playoffs, then Klay, Looney misses time Iggy almost missed time. Bingo, Raptors win their first championship.
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SuperboyReformed · Star Player Joined: 07 Oct 2012 Posts: 4083

lol at the idea that ball is better than kuz.

ExPatLkrFan · Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:22 pm Post subject:

Ugh Logical and Reasonable. Thank God this is not the norm or this place would be shuttered inside a week. I like my threads Illogical and Unreasonable, same way I like my fireworks Unsafe and Insane.