His defense is really terrible at this point. Both at POA/off ball. Will really need to improve that if he wants more playing time and a shot at starting against even more vicious starter level players. He was getting hunted on defense by teams by the end of the year.
His shooting also must improve considerably to not be a liability out there.
I love the clay he has, but the defense/3 point shooting have to improve by leaps and bounds for him to be in the discussion of starting. To me, right now, he's not even a 6th man level guy yet without improvement in these areas. But again, he's so young, so he can improve with the right coaching and he seems to be a hard and willing worker too. I don't think the market will be so crazy for him as some are fearing. I expect him to be back, or part of a trade for a 3rd star if a team really values him.
His defense is really terrible at this point. Both at POA/off ball. Will really need to improve that if he wants more playing time and a shot at starting against even more vicious starter level players. He was getting hunted on defense by teams by the end of the year.
His shooting also must improve considerably to not be a liability out there.
I love the clay he has, but the defense/3 point shooting have to improve by leaps and bounds for him to be in the discussion of starting. To me, right now, he's not even a 6th man level guy yet without improvement in these areas. But again, he's so young, so he can improve with the right coaching and he seems to be a hard and willing worker too. I don't think the market will be so crazy for him as some are fearing. I expect him to be back, or part of a trade for a 3rd star if a team really values him.
Haven't seen him be terrible at POA defense. _________________ Under New Management
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:40 am Post subject:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
People forget how young THT is.
His defense is really terrible at this point. Both at POA/off ball. Will really need to improve that if he wants more playing time and a shot at starting against even more vicious starter level players. He was getting hunted on defense by teams by the end of the year.
His shooting also must improve considerably to not be a liability out there.
I love the clay he has, but the defense/3 point shooting have to improve by leaps and bounds for him to be in the discussion of starting. To me, right now, he's not even a 6th man level guy yet without improvement in these areas. But again, he's so young, so he can improve with the right coaching and he seems to be a hard and willing worker too. I don't think the market will be so crazy for him as some are fearing. I expect him to be back, or part of a trade for a 3rd star if a team really values him.
Haven't seen him be terrible at POA defense.
Same, I've seen some great potential there against some elite offensive players. His team defense is abysmal but I think that's more so just lack of experience and he has plenty of time to still develop that. He has a long ways to go overall as a defender but he absolutely has the tools and has shown flashes already so mix that with his supposedly great work ethic and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see him become a very solid 2 way player sooner then later.
I personally hope they keep him unless it involves a trade bringing a legit difference maker that's not already in the twilight of there career.
His defense is really terrible at this point. Both at POA/off ball. Will really need to improve that if he wants more playing time and a shot at starting against even more vicious starter level players. He was getting hunted on defense by teams by the end of the year.
His shooting also must improve considerably to not be a liability out there.
I love the clay he has, but the defense/3 point shooting have to improve by leaps and bounds for him to be in the discussion of starting. To me, right now, he's not even a 6th man level guy yet without improvement in these areas. But again, he's so young, so he can improve with the right coaching and he seems to be a hard and willing worker too. I don't think the market will be so crazy for him as some are fearing. I expect him to be back, or part of a trade for a 3rd star if a team really values him.
I don't know why this is a highlight for Kyrie, this was as good of defense on him as you'll see.. by THT, the contest at the end, could have blocked it.
His defense is really terrible at this point. Both at POA/off ball. Will really need to improve that if he wants more playing time and a shot at starting against even more vicious starter level players. He was getting hunted on defense by teams by the end of the year.
His shooting also must improve considerably to not be a liability out there.
I love the clay he has, but the defense/3 point shooting have to improve by leaps and bounds for him to be in the discussion of starting. To me, right now, he's not even a 6th man level guy yet without improvement in these areas. But again, he's so young, so he can improve with the right coaching and he seems to be a hard and willing worker too. I don't think the market will be so crazy for him as some are fearing. I expect him to be back, or part of a trade for a 3rd star if a team really values him.
Haven't seen him be terrible at POA defense.
I saw more than a few times where he was blown by quite easily. He has the reach for sure, and that's why I suggested that maybe an ideal position is more at the big guard/small forward type position, rather than guarding quicker PGs.
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:31 am Post subject:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
People forget how young THT is.
His defense is really terrible at this point. Both at POA/off ball. Will really need to improve that if he wants more playing time and a shot at starting against even more vicious starter level players. He was getting hunted on defense by teams by the end of the year.
His shooting also must improve considerably to not be a liability out there.
I love the clay he has, but the defense/3 point shooting have to improve by leaps and bounds for him to be in the discussion of starting. To me, right now, he's not even a 6th man level guy yet without improvement in these areas. But again, he's so young, so he can improve with the right coaching and he seems to be a hard and willing worker too. I don't think the market will be so crazy for him as some are fearing. I expect him to be back, or part of a trade for a 3rd star if a team really values him.
Haven't seen him be terrible at POA defense.
I saw more than a few times where he was blown by quite easily. He has the reach for sure, and that's why I suggested that maybe an ideal position is more at the big guard/small forward type position, rather than guarding quicker PGs.
He was never really a POA defender to begin with. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
His defense is really terrible at this point. Both at POA/off ball. Will really need to improve that if he wants more playing time and a shot at starting against even more vicious starter level players. He was getting hunted on defense by teams by the end of the year.
His shooting also must improve considerably to not be a liability out there.
I love the clay he has, but the defense/3 point shooting have to improve by leaps and bounds for him to be in the discussion of starting. To me, right now, he's not even a 6th man level guy yet without improvement in these areas. But again, he's so young, so he can improve with the right coaching and he seems to be a hard and willing worker too. I don't think the market will be so crazy for him as some are fearing. I expect him to be back, or part of a trade for a 3rd star if a team really values him.
Haven't seen him be terrible at POA defense.
I saw more than a few times where he was blown by quite easily. He has the reach for sure, and that's why I suggested that maybe an ideal position is more at the big guard/small forward type position, rather than guarding quicker PGs.
Can you recall a game? _________________ Under New Management
His defense is really terrible at this point. Both at POA/off ball. Will really need to improve that if he wants more playing time and a shot at starting against even more vicious starter level players. He was getting hunted on defense by teams by the end of the year.
His shooting also must improve considerably to not be a liability out there.
I love the clay he has, but the defense/3 point shooting have to improve by leaps and bounds for him to be in the discussion of starting. To me, right now, he's not even a 6th man level guy yet without improvement in these areas. But again, he's so young, so he can improve with the right coaching and he seems to be a hard and willing worker too. I don't think the market will be so crazy for him as some are fearing. I expect him to be back, or part of a trade for a 3rd star if a team really values him.
Haven't seen him be terrible at POA defense.
I saw more than a few times where he was blown by quite easily. He has the reach for sure, and that's why I suggested that maybe an ideal position is more at the big guard/small forward type position, rather than guarding quicker PGs.
Can you recall a game?
You expect me to categorize every defensive play he's had where he's had a blow by on him? Of course I can't remember that precisely but there were certainly games where he had quicker guards that just blew right by him. He's a 230+ guard so that's expected.
His defense is really terrible at this point. Both at POA/off ball. Will really need to improve that if he wants more playing time and a shot at starting against even more vicious starter level players. He was getting hunted on defense by teams by the end of the year.
His shooting also must improve considerably to not be a liability out there.
I love the clay he has, but the defense/3 point shooting have to improve by leaps and bounds for him to be in the discussion of starting. To me, right now, he's not even a 6th man level guy yet without improvement in these areas. But again, he's so young, so he can improve with the right coaching and he seems to be a hard and willing worker too. I don't think the market will be so crazy for him as some are fearing. I expect him to be back, or part of a trade for a 3rd star if a team really values him.
Haven't seen him be terrible at POA defense.
I saw more than a few times where he was blown by quite easily. He has the reach for sure, and that's why I suggested that maybe an ideal position is more at the big guard/small forward type position, rather than guarding quicker PGs.
Can you recall a game?
You expect me to categorize every defensive play he's had where he's had a blow by on him? Of course I can't remember that precisely but there were certainly games where he had quicker guards that just blew right by him. He's a 230+ guard so that's expected.
If he becomes a solid NBA defender, it will be due to his strength, reach and smarts, to be sure. And the smarts will take some time.
I think THT has the bulk and length to pound with bigger power guards and small forwards. I do not see him as a POA point guard defender at all as some think he could be.
He has the weight of a PF in a 6'3 frame with long arms.
THT has starting talent for a team that has AD and Bron in it. What do you really need on a team that has AD as a target scorer and Bron handling the ball at the perimeter, or posting up. You want a player that can bring the ball up, shoot the 3 off a kick out or pass, and put some pressure on the defense if they play him soft as a ball penetration threat. Bonus, if you can make a pass.
To me, THT can do all of those things, aside from being a reliable 3 point shooter. So once or if he becomes a reliable 3 point shooter, you have a starting level guard next to AD-Bron that can drive to the basket and score, make a pass, bring the ball up against pressure to initiate the offense to relieve Bron.
In comparison, someone like KCP, as good as he has been in the championship playoff run, he can not really bring the ball up and initiate an O, he can not really get to the basket using handles and finish unless wide open. So there is a significant talent upgrade with THT. Its just about him getting more reps.
BVH, you hit the nail on the head.
THT just needs to get his shot to fall, and he'll be at whatever tier CJ Mac is at. Which would be pretty great for us. _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
BVH, you hit the nail on the head.
THT just needs to get his shot to fall, and he'll be at whatever tier CJ Mac is at. Which would be pretty great for us.
CJ? I mean that dude has honed his jumper from mid range and 3 point for a long time. THT is so young that he has time, but it may take years to be anywhere near that level of proficiency.
His defense is really terrible at this point. Both at POA/off ball. Will really need to improve that if he wants more playing time and a shot at starting against even more vicious starter level players. He was getting hunted on defense by teams by the end of the year.
His shooting also must improve considerably to not be a liability out there.
I love the clay he has, but the defense/3 point shooting have to improve by leaps and bounds for him to be in the discussion of starting. To me, right now, he's not even a 6th man level guy yet without improvement in these areas. But again, he's so young, so he can improve with the right coaching and he seems to be a hard and willing worker too. I don't think the market will be so crazy for him as some are fearing. I expect him to be back, or part of a trade for a 3rd star if a team really values him.
Haven't seen him be terrible at POA defense.
I saw more than a few times where he was blown by quite easily. He has the reach for sure, and that's why I suggested that maybe an ideal position is more at the big guard/small forward type position, rather than guarding quicker PGs.
Can you recall a game?
You expect me to categorize every defensive play he's had where he's had a blow by on him? Of course I can't remember that precisely but there were certainly games where he had quicker guards that just blew right by him. He's a 230+ guard so that's expected.
No, obviously I didn't ask that. Above someone recalled THT stealing the ball from Kawhi. It's vague, but I can track down some video evidence from that. You don't have a vague recollection of a player who might have blown past him? A team he might have struggled against? Not even a vague notion?
I ask because 1) potential false memories, 2) a "blow by" might have been a blown ice coverage by THT or the big - basically a team and not not an iso coverage issue - and 3) even the best individual defenders get beat by great offense, it's the frequency, caliber of competition, etc.
So without additional data, he seems fine with the potential to be good as a guard POA defender. _________________ Under New Management
His defense is really terrible at this point. Both at POA/off ball. Will really need to improve that if he wants more playing time and a shot at starting against even more vicious starter level players. He was getting hunted on defense by teams by the end of the year.
His shooting also must improve considerably to not be a liability out there.
I love the clay he has, but the defense/3 point shooting have to improve by leaps and bounds for him to be in the discussion of starting. To me, right now, he's not even a 6th man level guy yet without improvement in these areas. But again, he's so young, so he can improve with the right coaching and he seems to be a hard and willing worker too. I don't think the market will be so crazy for him as some are fearing. I expect him to be back, or part of a trade for a 3rd star if a team really values him.
Haven't seen him be terrible at POA defense.
I saw more than a few times where he was blown by quite easily. He has the reach for sure, and that's why I suggested that maybe an ideal position is more at the big guard/small forward type position, rather than guarding quicker PGs.
Can you recall a game?
You expect me to categorize every defensive play he's had where he's had a blow by on him? Of course I can't remember that precisely but there were certainly games where he had quicker guards that just blew right by him. He's a 230+ guard so that's expected.
No, obviously I didn't ask that. Above someone recalled THT stealing the ball from Kawhi. It's vague, but I can track down some video evidence from that. You don't have a vague recollection of a player who might have blown past him? A team he might have struggled against? Not even a vague notion?
I ask because 1) potential false memories, 2) a "blow by" might have been a blown ice coverage by THT or the big - basically a team and not not an iso coverage issue - and 3) even the best individual defenders get beat by great offense, it's the frequency, caliber of competition, etc.
So without additional data, he seems fine with the potential to be good as a guard POA defender.
I don't have any software to review past games, but I distinctly recall times when he was matched up against quicker guards and he couldn't stay in front of them. Several times he was attacked from the corner 3 where they beat him to the rim. I watched probably 90% of the regular season so I'm going off my memory.
He was much better IMO against slower, but bulkier players. Against the whippet guards, just doesn't have to lateral speed to stay with them, probably b/c he weights 40-50 pounds more than point guards. I wouldn't count on him to be a plus POA defender. What he can do is help backside with his insane reach, or against stronger players.
Fischer: The Knicks are mentioned by league sources as a team that has expressed interest in Fournier, while New York has also been linked to Lakers guards Dennis Schroder and Talen Horton-Tucker.
Knicks could potentially poison pill the well for us on THT. I wonder if a S&t of THT will be used to take on Schro on a defacto 1yr deal.
Technically, THT can be moved to NY on a S&t’d 4yr/45m deal via his early bird. If we aggregate that to a 3yr 60m S&t Schro (starting at 19.2m in yr1, where only the 1st year is fully guaranteed), then we can create a 24.5m TPE. We can then bring in a 24.6m contract later in the year...maybe revisit Buddy at that time.
It does cost us THT, but maybe NY can send us some conditional draft capital back along with the TPE.
Schro technically gets a 1yr make good deal to show out in a big market so that he can hit the market again next summer. NY would be in control with his nonguaranteed deal in yrs 2&3 and they get a prospect in THT on a team friendly deal for allowing us to borrow their cap space this summer. _________________ Not familiar with the salary cap/CBA rules & how it impacts our Lakers?
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:07 am Post subject:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
People forget how young THT is.
His defense is really terrible at this point. Both at POA/off ball. Will really need to improve that if he wants more playing time and a shot at starting against even more vicious starter level players. He was getting hunted on defense by teams by the end of the year.
His shooting also must improve considerably to not be a liability out there.
I love the clay he has, but the defense/3 point shooting have to improve by leaps and bounds for him to be in the discussion of starting. To me, right now, he's not even a 6th man level guy yet without improvement in these areas. But again, he's so young, so he can improve with the right coaching and he seems to be a hard and willing worker too. I don't think the market will be so crazy for him as some are fearing. I expect him to be back, or part of a trade for a 3rd star if a team really values him.
Haven't seen him be terrible at POA defense.
I saw more than a few times where he was blown by quite easily. He has the reach for sure, and that's why I suggested that maybe an ideal position is more at the big guard/small forward type position, rather than guarding quicker PGs.
Can you recall a game?
You expect me to categorize every defensive play he's had where he's had a blow by on him? Of course I can't remember that precisely but there were certainly games where he had quicker guards that just blew right by him. He's a 230+ guard so that's expected.
No, obviously I didn't ask that. Above someone recalled THT stealing the ball from Kawhi. It's vague, but I can track down some video evidence from that. You don't have a vague recollection of a player who might have blown past him? A team he might have struggled against? Not even a vague notion?
I ask because 1) potential false memories, 2) a "blow by" might have been a blown ice coverage by THT or the big - basically a team and not not an iso coverage issue - and 3) even the best individual defenders get beat by great offense, it's the frequency, caliber of competition, etc.
So without additional data, he seems fine with the potential to be good as a guard POA defender.
we got the talent upgrade needed. Now we have to keep caruso, and THT.
Yeah, only assets left. I believe in THT tho, time for starter minutes. Better be shooting threes all summer
agree. i do think tht, russ, caruso on the court together will be relentless. Dont know if anyone makes a shot but they will certainly run the other team into the ground.
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