Yeah I chose Giannis just because he's proven to be a more aggressive, more alpha-type player in his career to this point. Younger too. Not to say AD isn't a supreme player, though
I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George
If I was starting a team, and wanted a piece to go forward with, I'd probably only take Giannis and Kawhi over AD
If you're listing impact on winning, is AD top-10?
I would say Harden and Jokic have a much larger impact on winning. You could even argue that Lillard impacts winning more than AD.
Yeah I chose Giannis just because he's proven to be a more aggressive, more alpha-type player in his career to this point. Younger too. Not to say AD isn't a supreme player, though
I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George
If I was starting a team, and wanted a piece to go forward with, I'd probably only take Giannis and Kawhi over AD
If you're listing impact on winning, is AD top-10?
I would say Harden and Jokic have a much larger impact on winning. You could even argue that Lillard impacts winning more than AD.
Hard to take this into account without assessing the supporting cast. If you did, you could make an argument for Donovan Mitchell or Gobert being a top 10-15 player right now, which is obviously flawed (moreso for Mitchell than Gobert)
For instance, last year, when AD had his best supporting cast, he smashed Portland before coming up against the Warriors juggernaut. Now the tables have turned and AD was out of the playoffs while Lillard was in the WCF. It differs from year to year in a lot of cases _________________ #18 next...
Yeah I chose Giannis just because he's proven to be a more aggressive, more alpha-type player in his career to this point. Younger too. Not to say AD isn't a supreme player, though
I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George
If I was starting a team, and wanted a piece to go forward with, I'd probably only take Giannis and Kawhi over AD
If you're listing impact on winning, is AD top-10?
I would say Harden and Jokic have a much larger impact on winning. You could even argue that Lillard impacts winning more than AD.
It's hard to rank non-initiators like Embiid and Davis that high even with their defensive impact. _________________ Under New Management
Amazing how PG13 could have been on this team. We'd have 3 top 10 players...
Who’s the third one?
PG. Look at the list above. And he finished in top 3 of MVP voting. What a shame he's going to waste all that being WB's cabana boy. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
If you're listing impact on winning, is AD top-10?
I would say Harden and Jokic have a much larger impact on winning. You could even argue that Lillard impacts winning more than AD.
It’s hard to separate this from the quality of the team.
I think the quality of AD teams is an overused excuse for his lack of winning.
1. Stars should make rotation players better (or look better).
2. Success changes perception of players.
If you're looking at #2 players, I don't think there is a large gap between Jrue and McCullom or Murray. I don't think you can say AD had no help.
Gerald Green was out of the league before Houston. Faried came back to life in Houston. Cappela owes his career to Harden. Ariza leaves Houston and looks like a shell of himself. Even Rivers looked good in they playoffs. Gordon is playing better on Houston than he did on New Orleans.
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Why are we suddenly comparing Giannis with AD? That hasn’t been a comparison until now. Giannis got his small market team the best record in the NBA, he should be compared to guys like Curry and Kawhi. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:44 am Post subject:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
alleyoop wrote:
Yeah I chose Giannis just because he's proven to be a more aggressive, more alpha-type player in his career to this point. Younger too. Not to say AD isn't a supreme player, though
I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George
If I was starting a team, and wanted a piece to go forward with, I'd probably only take Giannis and Kawhi over AD
If you're listing impact on winning, is AD top-10?
I would say Harden and Jokic have a much larger impact on winning. You could even argue that Lillard impacts winning more than AD.
It's hard to rank non-initiators like Embiid and Davis that high even with their defensive impact.
This is my argument for ranking the all-time great centers below guys like MJ, Kobe, and Magic in the GOAT conversation. A lot of my friends think I'm nuts for thinking this. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
I'm not worried about AD Vs Giannis; Lakers have two of the top 10 players
in the league, that's the headline. At the end of the day, players and teams will be evaluated on performance. However, I do understand some like these head on
comparisons just for fun and it'll be interesting when the face up.
My concern is that the Lakers really need to fill those empty spots wisely. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
Yeah I chose Giannis just because he's proven to be a more aggressive, more alpha-type player in his career to this point. Younger too. Not to say AD isn't a supreme player, though
I rank the top 10 players in the league like this (assuming full fitness):
1: Kevin Durant
2: Kawhi Leonard
3: LeBron James
4: Steph Curry
5: Giannis Antetokounmpo
6: Anthony Davis
7: James Harden
8: Joel Embiid
9: Nikola Jokic
10: Paul George
If I was starting a team, and wanted a piece to go forward with, I'd probably only take Giannis and Kawhi over AD
If you're listing impact on winning, is AD top-10?
I would say Harden and Jokic have a much larger impact on winning. You could even argue that Lillard impacts winning more than AD.
It's hard to rank non-initiators like Embiid and Davis that high even with their defensive impact.
This is my argument for ranking the all-time great centers below guys like MJ, Kobe, and Magic in the GOAT conversation. A lot of my friends think I'm nuts for thinking this.
The game has evolved so much that KAJ in his prime (in a league without a 3pt line) really was that dominant. But outside of Kareem, I'm with you on favoring initiators as the NBA's greatest players. _________________ Under New Management
Why are we suddenly comparing Giannis with AD? That hasn’t been a comparison until now. Giannis got his small market team the best record in the NBA, he should be compared to guys like Curry and Kawhi.
Wrong as usual
_________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
Max slot : Kawhi
Giannis had a stacked team and couldn't overcome Toronto.
He's still great... but he took a big step downward while Kawhi took a huge step up.
None of the all time greats would have lost with that supporting cast.
He and AD still rest slightly below the highest tier until they take that next step forward.
Just for perspective, Jordan's Bulls team lost in consecutive years to the Pistons in ECF, before prevailing the following year, defeating the Lakers in finals. His supporting cast was largely the same through their first 3peat.
Before that, the Pistons struggled to get past the Celtics. Even with the Lakers, it took Shaq and Kobe 4 years before reaching the finals and winning.
As you said Giannis still has to lead his team to the finals and prevail, but I don't think the loss in ECF is a knock against him.
Biggest difference in skillset is that Giannis can run the offense and set others up as the primary ball handler. AD is the better shooter. I would take Giannis because I think the edge he has in ball handling/playmaking is more important than the shooting edge AD has.
Biggest difference in skillset is that Giannis can run the offense and set others up as the primary ball handler. AD is the better shooter. I would take Giannis because I think the edge he has in ball handling/playmaking is more important than the shooting edge AD has.
Seems like his shot is good enough or could be tweaked to my non-expert eyes. Also, he seems like a competitor and focused on getting better, so it wouldn't surprise me if his range and percentage improve over the next couple of years.
I have a dream, that one day, pundits and hoops heads will stop using team success as a significant factor in comparisons and evaluations of individual talents.
Biggest difference in skillset is that Giannis can run the offense and set others up as the primary ball handler. AD is the better shooter. I would take Giannis because I think the edge he has in ball handling/playmaking is more important than the shooting edge AD has.
Seems like his shot is good enough or could be tweaked to my non-expert eyes. Also, he seems like a competitor and focused on getting better, so it wouldn't surprise me if his range and percentage improve over the next couple of years.
I agree. Giannis can still get his shooting to average level which would make him completely unstoppable. Biggest area he needs to add is a pull up mid range J.
What I am curious to see is if AD's playmaking improves more. He is coming off by far his best assist % season
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