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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Comparing Bradley to Fish is silly. The real question is whether Bradley's defense is as good as Byron's fave aka The Head of the Snake, Ronnie Price.
But anyway, maybe we should get back to discussing Danny Green. Is Danny's defense as good as Price's and Fish's? _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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hype wrote: | If Bradley only gets to Fisher level defense it's def. a pretty huge letdown for me personally at least. Fisher had a very high iq which made him an ok defender at times but he was never remotely close to making an all defensive team, especially later in his career where he was legit awful.
Bradley has the high iq as well as a significant athletic upgrade.. As long as he stays healthy and in shape I see no way he wont be far and away the best defensive pg we have. |
I think that even if he isn't in shape he will be the best defensive PG we have, there isn't much competition. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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joeblow Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Here is an impressive collection of DG highlights last season. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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venturalakersfan wrote: | hype wrote: | If Bradley only gets to Fisher level defense it's def. a pretty huge letdown for me personally at least. Fisher had a very high iq which made him an ok defender at times but he was never remotely close to making an all defensive team, especially later in his career where he was legit awful.
Bradley has the high iq as well as a significant athletic upgrade.. As long as he stays healthy and in shape I see no way he wont be far and away the best defensive pg we have. |
I think that even if he isn't in shape he will be the best defensive PG we have, there isn't much competition. |
I think Caruso plays pretty active defense, but it has mostly been against second unit PGs. I have to wait and see what Alex does against starting level PGs. I definitely lean towards starting Alex or Avery, at least in preseason, and seeing how it goes. Hope Frank tries a few games with Alex, and a few with Avery. Same in practice. Rondo IMO should be our floor general when Lebron sits. He can fill that role. |
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methdxman Star Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:03 am Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | Comparing Bradley to Fish is silly. The real question is whether Bradley's defense is as good as Byron's fave aka The Head of the Snake, Ronnie Price.
But anyway, maybe we should get back to discussing Danny Green. Is Danny's defense as good as Price's and Fish's? |
Derek Fisher was not a good NBA player. He was subpar in nearly every metric. We won DESPITE his subpar play.
A lot of people and fans these days didn't even watch Fish play. He was overall a BAD NBA player. |
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waterman40 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Fisher was pretty darn good his first 2-3 years in the league before the knee/leg injury. After that, his defense was sub-par the rest of his career. Fisher was valuable because he had Kobe's ear, something Kobe didn't have for Shaq was respect. Fisher was a great situational perimeter shooter. You left him open in clutch moments at your peril. Not a great driver, Kobe was the better passer, he was just a good cog and cohesive piece. But we often won in spite of PG deficiencies, lack of PF in the Shaq era, and lack of a SF in the Gasol era.
Green will be fine, good defensive player. Bradley I think will be more like his Boston days and will make a solid defensive backcourt. Cook will be a good offensive spark plug, especially at the start of 2nd and 4th quarters. Rondo more of a second team distributor, and Caruso likely filling the deep bench minutes and injury replacement role. _________________ LAKERS 2019-2020: NBA World Champions! |
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SuperboyReformed Star Player
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waterman40 wrote: | Fisher was pretty darn good his first 2-3 years in the league before the knee/leg injury. After that, his defense was sub-par the rest of his career. Fisher was valuable because he had Kobe's ear, something Kobe didn't have for Shaq was respect. Fisher was a great situational perimeter shooter. You left him open in clutch moments at your peril. Not a great driver, Kobe was the better passer, he was just a good cog and cohesive piece. But we often won in spite of PG deficiencies, lack of PF in the Shaq era, and lack of a SF in the Gasol era.
Green will be fine, good defensive player. Bradley I think will be more like his Boston days and will make a solid defensive backcourt. Cook will be a good offensive spark plug, especially at the start of 2nd and 4th quarters. Rondo more of a second team distributor, and Caruso likely filling the deep bench minutes and injury replacement role. |
lol! 2-3 years???
this is some ridiculous way to describe fisher's career. what about that run through the spurs where he hit like 18/20 threes? that was WAAAY after 3 years into league. |
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VincentTH Sixth Man
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SuperboyReformed wrote: | waterman40 wrote: | Fisher was pretty darn good his first 2-3 years in the league before the knee/leg injury. After that, his defense was sub-par the rest of his career. Fisher was valuable because he had Kobe's ear, something Kobe didn't have for Shaq was respect. Fisher was a great situational perimeter shooter. You left him open in clutch moments at your peril. Not a great driver, Kobe was the better passer, he was just a good cog and cohesive piece. But we often won in spite of PG deficiencies, lack of PF in the Shaq era, and lack of a SF in the Gasol era.
Green will be fine, good defensive player. Bradley I think will be more like his Boston days and will make a solid defensive backcourt. Cook will be a good offensive spark plug, especially at the start of 2nd and 4th quarters. Rondo more of a second team distributor, and Caruso likely filling the deep bench minutes and injury replacement role. |
lol! 2-3 years???
this is some ridiculous way to describe fisher's career. what about that run through the spurs where he hit like 18/20 threes? that was WAAAY after 3 years into league. |
Not to mention .06 |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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VincentTH wrote: | SuperboyReformed wrote: | waterman40 wrote: | Fisher was pretty darn good his first 2-3 years in the league before the knee/leg injury. After that, his defense was sub-par the rest of his career. Fisher was valuable because he had Kobe's ear, something Kobe didn't have for Shaq was respect. Fisher was a great situational perimeter shooter. You left him open in clutch moments at your peril. Not a great driver, Kobe was the better passer, he was just a good cog and cohesive piece. But we often won in spite of PG deficiencies, lack of PF in the Shaq era, and lack of a SF in the Gasol era.
Green will be fine, good defensive player. Bradley I think will be more like his Boston days and will make a solid defensive backcourt. Cook will be a good offensive spark plug, especially at the start of 2nd and 4th quarters. Rondo more of a second team distributor, and Caruso likely filling the deep bench minutes and injury replacement role. |
lol! 2-3 years???
this is some ridiculous way to describe fisher's career. what about that run through the spurs where he hit like 18/20 threes? that was WAAAY after 3 years into league. |
Not to mention .06 |
0.4 _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:14 am Post subject: |
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The work out video is new and Green seems poised to have a big season. |
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LaLaLakeShow Star Player
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:04 am Post subject: |
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SuperboyReformed wrote: | waterman40 wrote: | Fisher was pretty darn good his first 2-3 years in the league before the knee/leg injury. After that, his defense was sub-par the rest of his career. Fisher was valuable because he had Kobe's ear, something Kobe didn't have for Shaq was respect. Fisher was a great situational perimeter shooter. You left him open in clutch moments at your peril. Not a great driver, Kobe was the better passer, he was just a good cog and cohesive piece. But we often won in spite of PG deficiencies, lack of PF in the Shaq era, and lack of a SF in the Gasol era.
Green will be fine, good defensive player. Bradley I think will be more like his Boston days and will make a solid defensive backcourt. Cook will be a good offensive spark plug, especially at the start of 2nd and 4th quarters. Rondo more of a second team distributor, and Caruso likely filling the deep bench minutes and injury replacement role. |
lol! 2-3 years???
this is some ridiculous way to describe fisher's career. what about that run through the spurs where he hit like 18/20 threes? that was WAAAY after 3 years into league. |
I think it was 15-20 threes in that 4 game sweep. And that was when the 3 mattered even more cause teams weren’t jacking up 30 to 40 a game.
God, it was fun to watch that Laker team demolish San Antonio |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:18 am Post subject: |
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AD, recharged LBJ, and Green are the 3 guys I'm most interested in seeing this year. Green as one of the best 3/D guys will be a godsend to us. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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yinoma2001 wrote: | AD, recharged LBJ, and Green are the 3 guys I'm most interested in seeing this year. Green as one of the best 3/D guys will be a godsend to us. |
I keep thinking but we are very very lucky Green didn’t decide to go back to TOR or head to the Mavs, he is such a pure fit, Green is a championship level role player so we know we are gonna get consistency from him. I’m more interested in seeing guys who are trying to find there niche... D39...Kuzma...Bradley.. etc. |
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RJ_LA Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:56 am Post subject: |
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What the heck is .06?
VincentTH wrote: | SuperboyReformed wrote: | waterman40 wrote: | Fisher was pretty darn good his first 2-3 years in the league before the knee/leg injury. After that, his defense was sub-par the rest of his career. Fisher was valuable because he had Kobe's ear, something Kobe didn't have for Shaq was respect. Fisher was a great situational perimeter shooter. You left him open in clutch moments at your peril. Not a great driver, Kobe was the better passer, he was just a good cog and cohesive piece. But we often won in spite of PG deficiencies, lack of PF in the Shaq era, and lack of a SF in the Gasol era.
Green will be fine, good defensive player. Bradley I think will be more like his Boston days and will make a solid defensive backcourt. Cook will be a good offensive spark plug, especially at the start of 2nd and 4th quarters. Rondo more of a second team distributor, and Caruso likely filling the deep bench minutes and injury replacement role. |
lol! 2-3 years???
this is some ridiculous way to describe fisher's career. what about that run through the spurs where he hit like 18/20 threes? that was WAAAY after 3 years into league. |
Not to mention .06 |
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LaLaLakeShow Star Player
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:01 am Post subject: |
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RJ_LA wrote: | What the heck is .06?
VincentTH wrote: | SuperboyReformed wrote: | waterman40 wrote: | Fisher was pretty darn good his first 2-3 years in the league before the knee/leg injury. After that, his defense was sub-par the rest of his career. Fisher was valuable because he had Kobe's ear, something Kobe didn't have for Shaq was respect. Fisher was a great situational perimeter shooter. You left him open in clutch moments at your peril. Not a great driver, Kobe was the better passer, he was just a good cog and cohesive piece. But we often won in spite of PG deficiencies, lack of PF in the Shaq era, and lack of a SF in the Gasol era.
Green will be fine, good defensive player. Bradley I think will be more like his Boston days and will make a solid defensive backcourt. Cook will be a good offensive spark plug, especially at the start of 2nd and 4th quarters. Rondo more of a second team distributor, and Caruso likely filling the deep bench minutes and injury replacement role. |
lol! 2-3 years???
this is some ridiculous way to describe fisher's career. what about that run through the spurs where he hit like 18/20 threes? that was WAAAY after 3 years into league. |
Not to mention .06 |
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He meant .04 😆
Derek’s game winner against the Spurs |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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LaLaLakeShow wrote: | RJ_LA wrote: | What the heck is .06?
VincentTH wrote: | SuperboyReformed wrote: | waterman40 wrote: | Fisher was pretty darn good his first 2-3 years in the league before the knee/leg injury. After that, his defense was sub-par the rest of his career. Fisher was valuable because he had Kobe's ear, something Kobe didn't have for Shaq was respect. Fisher was a great situational perimeter shooter. You left him open in clutch moments at your peril. Not a great driver, Kobe was the better passer, he was just a good cog and cohesive piece. But we often won in spite of PG deficiencies, lack of PF in the Shaq era, and lack of a SF in the Gasol era.
Green will be fine, good defensive player. Bradley I think will be more like his Boston days and will make a solid defensive backcourt. Cook will be a good offensive spark plug, especially at the start of 2nd and 4th quarters. Rondo more of a second team distributor, and Caruso likely filling the deep bench minutes and injury replacement role. |
lol! 2-3 years???
this is some ridiculous way to describe fisher's career. what about that run through the spurs where he hit like 18/20 threes? that was WAAAY after 3 years into league. |
Not to mention .06 |
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He meant .04 😆
Derek’s game winner against the Spurs |
0.4 _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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I’ve been a DG fan for a long time. There is only one thing that scares me and even though I am not superstitious, I will not put it in print. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | I’ve been a DG fan for a long time. There is only one thing that scares me and even though I am not superstitious, I will not put it in print. |
The only thing that will scare us is a injury to Danny Green so what’s the secret? He’s not gonna be causing issues since he is a well respected person. |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | I’ve been a DG fan for a long time. There is only one thing that scares me and even though I am not superstitious, I will not put it in print. |
You can put it in zeroes and ones |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | I’ve been a DG fan for a long time. There is only one thing that scares me and even though I am not superstitious, I will not put it in print. |
Aww, F-en aye man don't leave us hanging. _________________ KOBE |
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lar9149 Star Player
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vr17LcoYI5I
Danny Green’s shot looks effortless, he might end up shooting 50% from the 3pt line this season. |
That video was sick!!! |
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LaLaLakeShow Star Player
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | RJ_LA wrote: | What the heck is .06?
VincentTH wrote: | SuperboyReformed wrote: | waterman40 wrote: | Fisher was pretty darn good his first 2-3 years in the league before the knee/leg injury. After that, his defense was sub-par the rest of his career. Fisher was valuable because he had Kobe's ear, something Kobe didn't have for Shaq was respect. Fisher was a great situational perimeter shooter. You left him open in clutch moments at your peril. Not a great driver, Kobe was the better passer, he was just a good cog and cohesive piece. But we often won in spite of PG deficiencies, lack of PF in the Shaq era, and lack of a SF in the Gasol era.
Green will be fine, good defensive player. Bradley I think will be more like his Boston days and will make a solid defensive backcourt. Cook will be a good offensive spark plug, especially at the start of 2nd and 4th quarters. Rondo more of a second team distributor, and Caruso likely filling the deep bench minutes and injury replacement role. |
lol! 2-3 years???
this is some ridiculous way to describe fisher's career. what about that run through the spurs where he hit like 18/20 threes? that was WAAAY after 3 years into league. |
Not to mention .06 |
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He meant .04 😆
Derek’s game winner against the Spurs |
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Whoops. Mistyped |
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