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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:38 am    Post subject:

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Clips are good but the bucks are huge and Giannis is better than Kawhi or Palmdale, how did Kawhi shut him down couple months ago?


its a team effort not just Kawhi. He has 3 lengthy big men alternating in the paing Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam which Clippers doesn't have. And he also has Danny Green who is a good help defender.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:44 am    Post subject:

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Clips are good but the bucks are huge and Giannis is better than Kawhi or Palmdale, how did Kawhi shut him down couple months ago?


its a team effort not just Kawhi. He has 3 lengthy big men alternating in the paing Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam which Clippers doesn't have. And he also has Danny Green who is a good help defender.



Well, we do have 3 lengthy big men JaVale-AD-Dwight , we also do have Danny Green and oh, that guy Bron
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:50 am    Post subject:

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The Clips were emotionally revved up; they were ready, they had chemistry, and they played out of their minds. The Lakers just were not ready, they were still figuring each other out, and they were not nearly at their full operating strength.


Having watched the game I don' know why this wasn't the narrative from the beginning. The Clippers played our of their minds that game and hit big shots while the Lakers went cold in the 4th. The Lakers didn't bring nearly the same energy into that game as the Clippers did. The Clippers played liked their very lives depended on winning. I always thought it was a one off.
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Clips are good but the bucks are huge and Giannis is better than Kawhi or Palmdale, how did Kawhi shut him down couple months ago?


its a team effort not just Kawhi. He has 3 lengthy big men alternating in the paing Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam which Clippers doesn't have. And he also has Danny Green who is a good help defender.



Well, we do have 3 lengthy big men JaVale-AD-Dwight , we also do have Danny Green and oh, that guy Bron


Yup, add to that also if Cousins can play in the playoffs. That will be 4 lengthy Centers alternating.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:01 am    Post subject:

Frankie is gonna stick Caruso on Lou. I can see that coming from a mile away. I think he'll give him some problems too with his length. And he's smart enough to not get duped into the silly fouls.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:11 am    Post subject:

The Lakers had Daniels, Cook and Dudley in the rotation opening night. That should be Rondo, Caruso and Kuzma on Christmas.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:27 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers had Daniels, Cook and Dudley in the rotation opening night. That should be Rondo, Caruso and Kuzma on Christmas.


Assuming Rondo doesn't blow out his hammy. Tweaking a hamstring is the first step to tearing it. Without enough rest, Rondo will do something to cause him to miss the rest of the season.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:29 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers had Daniels, Cook and Dudley in the rotation opening night. That should be Rondo, Caruso and Kuzma on Christmas.

Not only that, but there was no where near the offensive chemistry or defensive the team has now. That was their first game together and you saw even in the next game against the Jazz, we struggled a bit. It took us about 3-4 games into the RS to get a flow. Then about 10 games into the RS to really get the offense going. Early in the season we were winning the games just based on talent and defensive ability. Now we're also executing. Interesting to see how we match up as the season progresses.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:31 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers had Daniels, Cook and Dudley in the rotation opening night. That should be Rondo, Caruso and Kuzma on Christmas.


No doubt. Being able to throw Caruso/AB/KCP rotation at Lou. It’s worked against the other top western conference guards.

Also, Dwight is a completely different player than what he showed on opening night.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:43 am    Post subject:

troy wrote:
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The Lakers had Daniels, Cook and Dudley in the rotation opening night. That should be Rondo, Caruso and Kuzma on Christmas.


Assuming Rondo doesn't blow out his hammy. Tweaking a hamstring is the first step to tearing it. Without enough rest, Rondo will do something to cause him to miss the rest of the season.


I don't think the Judy Seto lets that happen. There is a reason we went out and got her.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:50 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers had Daniels, Cook and Dudley in the rotation opening night. That should be Rondo, Caruso and Kuzma on Christmas.


No doubt. Being able to throw Caruso/AB/KCP rotation at Lou. It’s worked against the other top western conference guards.

Also, Dwight is a completely different player than what he showed on opening night.


Yeah man. It's crazy how bad Dwight looked on opening night compared to now. He's definitely shaken off a ton of rust.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:56 am    Post subject:

Wrong thread.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:57 am    Post subject:

troy wrote:
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The Lakers had Daniels, Cook and Dudley in the rotation opening night. That should be Rondo, Caruso and Kuzma on Christmas.


Assuming Rondo doesn't blow out his hammy. Tweaking a hamstring is the first step to tearing it. Without enough rest, Rondo will do something to cause him to miss the rest of the season.


Man, Rondo is pretty fragile. Dude gets injured so much.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:06 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers had Daniels, Cook and Dudley in the rotation opening night. That should be Rondo, Caruso and Kuzma on Christmas.


Such a good point.
They did miss PG.
But trying to replace 2 big minute bench guys can at times be as bad as trying to replace a single starter.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:17 am    Post subject:

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The Bucks' second unit stopped Lou Williams. It doesn't matter what the Clippers' starting lineup does. The Bucks Brook Lopez went 2-12 in a blowout win.

Neither KL or PG13 are the type of players who can score enough to win games, especially in a series. They are more like Tim Duncan, who needs a lot of scoring support; they are not Kobe, MJ or even Iverson. Let Leonard and George (try to) get theirs. Just control the rotations so you have a very good defense unit (maybe your top defensive unit) whenever Lou Williams is in the game.


This is actually a good game plan. Add to that that most of PG and KL's shots are low % shots. They seldomly drive to the hoop.


Exactly. 3 streaky jump shooters and an undersized big. That's not championship DNA.


You just described the Warriors.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:19 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
Clips are good but the bucks are huge and Giannis is better than Kawhi or Palmdale, how did Kawhi shut him down couple months ago?


It was the playoffs, not some game in December.
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Clips are good but the bucks are huge and Giannis is better than Kawhi or Palmdale, how did Kawhi shut him down couple months ago?


its a team effort not just Kawhi. He has 3 lengthy big men alternating in the paing Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam which Clippers doesn't have. And he also has Danny Green who is a good help defender.



Well, we do have 3 lengthy big men JaVale-AD-Dwight , we also do have Danny Green and oh, that guy Bron


Yup, add to that also if Cousins can play in the playoffs. That will be 4 lengthy Centers alternating.


Cousins likely won't be back for the Playoffs. An ACL and an achilles on the same leg? Let's just get him healed up. Even if he were to come back for the playoffs his level of play would be low imo. He was never great defensively and he'd be even worse.
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PG only had 13 points last night. And I think I saw him only have 5 points one game. Besides Kawhi struggling is PG having issues too? Don’t know what his excuse would be? Unlike Kawhi he doesn’t have health issues?


Do you not consider surgery in both shoulders a health issue?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:21 am    Post subject:

Gap between Paul George and being clutch

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leking006 wrote:
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The Bucks' second unit stopped Lou Williams. It doesn't matter what the Clippers' starting lineup does. The Bucks Brook Lopez went 2-12 in a blowout win.

Neither KL or PG13 are the type of players who can score enough to win games, especially in a series. They are more like Tim Duncan, who needs a lot of scoring support; they are not Kobe, MJ or even Iverson. Let Leonard and George (try to) get theirs. Just control the rotations so you have a very good defense unit (maybe your top defensive unit) whenever Lou Williams is in the game.


This is actually a good game plan. Add to that that most of PG and KL's shots are low % shots. They seldomly drive to the hoop.


Exactly. 3 streaky jump shooters and an undersized big. That's not championship DNA.


You just described the Warriors.


The Clippers aren't the Warriors
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Clips are good but the bucks are huge and Giannis is better than Kawhi or Palmdale, how did Kawhi shut him down couple months ago?


It was the playoffs, not some game in December.


Kawhi did not shut down Giannis in the playoffs - it's a myth. Toronto as a team, however, did shut down Giannis in the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:23 am    Post subject:

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troy wrote:
manlisten wrote:
The Lakers had Daniels, Cook and Dudley in the rotation opening night. That should be Rondo, Caruso and Kuzma on Christmas.


Assuming Rondo doesn't blow out his hammy. Tweaking a hamstring is the first step to tearing it. Without enough rest, Rondo will do something to cause him to miss the rest of the season.


I don't think the Judy Seto lets that happen. There is a reason we went out and got her.


He's been playing with a tight hamstring for a couple of weeks apparently *facepalms*
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PG only had 13 points last night. And I think I saw him only have 5 points one game. Besides Kawhi struggling is PG having issues too? Don’t know what his excuse would be? Unlike Kawhi he doesn’t have health issues?


Do you not consider surgery in both shoulders a health issue?


I consider it but wasn’t sure if that was the issue. I wasn’t sure if the surgery would effect his performance..but do you think that is or is he just needing time to get his rhythm back or get used to the time. Others said he hasn’t been practicing with the team.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:32 am    Post subject:

Probably both, along with conditioning. He is shooting the 3 ball well, the shoulders don’t seem to affect that.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:41 am    Post subject:

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leking006 wrote:
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The Bucks' second unit stopped Lou Williams. It doesn't matter what the Clippers' starting lineup does. The Bucks Brook Lopez went 2-12 in a blowout win.

Neither KL or PG13 are the type of players who can score enough to win games, especially in a series. They are more like Tim Duncan, who needs a lot of scoring support; they are not Kobe, MJ or even Iverson. Let Leonard and George (try to) get theirs. Just control the rotations so you have a very good defense unit (maybe your top defensive unit) whenever Lou Williams is in the game.


This is actually a good game plan. Add to that that most of PG and KL's shots are low % shots. They seldomly drive to the hoop.


Exactly. 3 streaky jump shooters and an undersized big. That's not championship DNA.


You just described the Warriors.


Not sure if you're serious. Steph, Klay and KD are easily 3 of the best 5 shooters of all time. Klay's worst year from 3 is on par with PG's second best. Draymond at his best is essentially a 7 footer with elite rim protection and perimeter defense. Harrell is ineffective against legitimate size. Comparing the Clippers to the Warriors is misguided.
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