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LaLaLakeShow
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| drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | | drae wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | I dont even think bucks played a great game
Giannis played 32 minutes
Middleton played 29 minutes
Bledsoe didnt play
Bucks are scary. the team is only really 1.5 years old and dominating. imagine how theyd gel with a few more games this season and more playoff experience
they're additions of Matthews, Robin Lopez, Korver is better than 1 of Brogdon |
Giannis had a career night from 3 for starters. He's never shot more than 4 in a game and every team lays off him |
isnt that how greatness starts? you improve weaknesses in your game. Lebron points to San Antonio finals loss to what catapulted his outside shooting improvements. Gianni's mechanics are not as great as Lebron's though, so I dont think he has the potential to be more than a mediocre outside shooter, but his three point and free throw shooting this year is vast improvement to years past. |
It's how greatness starts if you end up doing it consistently. Doing it one night against the Lakers is generally called a 'one off'.
He has improved his 3 point shooting but it's still low 30's, well below league average. The evidence points to Giannis fluking in a career night from 3, which helped because the Lakers kept Giannis out of the paint fairly easily.
The gameplan for Giannis is the gameplan for early Lebron - make him beat you over the top. More often than not he won't |
We’ll see. He looks like the next all time Great to me |
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And that wasn't the argument. His 3 point shooting this year coming into this game was 31%. Him shooting 63% from 3 tonight isn't greatness when it's such an outlier. It's luck |
Disagree. It’s not luck. It’s process. He will only get better, IMO |
If he doesn't shoot consistently well then it's not process. It's luck |
Once again, we disagree.
Pretty sure he’s practicing improving that aspect of his game. He’s said as much. Takes time. |
And if he's consistent in the future we can say the process paid off for him. That he isn't right now means this performance is more luck |
I don’t see it that way.
The process pays off each day if you’re focused and working at it. He appears to be the type of player that is committed to being great at everything.
I wouldn’t bet against the guy |
If it was the process that led to him shooting 63% from 3 then we should see it more often. Because the process is reliable and can be called upon regularly. That he doesn't do this regularly means it is unreliable, and therefore not the process. It was luck. |
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | | drae wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | I dont even think bucks played a great game
Giannis played 32 minutes
Middleton played 29 minutes
Bledsoe didnt play
Bucks are scary. the team is only really 1.5 years old and dominating. imagine how theyd gel with a few more games this season and more playoff experience
they're additions of Matthews, Robin Lopez, Korver is better than 1 of Brogdon |
Giannis had a career night from 3 for starters. He's never shot more than 4 in a game and every team lays off him |
isnt that how greatness starts? you improve weaknesses in your game. Lebron points to San Antonio finals loss to what catapulted his outside shooting improvements. Gianni's mechanics are not as great as Lebron's though, so I dont think he has the potential to be more than a mediocre outside shooter, but his three point and free throw shooting this year is vast improvement to years past. |
It's how greatness starts if you end up doing it consistently. Doing it one night against the Lakers is generally called a 'one off'.
He has improved his 3 point shooting but it's still low 30's, well below league average. The evidence points to Giannis fluking in a career night from 3, which helped because the Lakers kept Giannis out of the paint fairly easily.
The gameplan for Giannis is the gameplan for early Lebron - make him beat you over the top. More often than not he won't |
We’ll see. He looks like the next all time Great to me |
Doncic and Ingram
And that wasn't the argument. His 3 point shooting this year coming into this game was 31%. Him shooting 63% from 3 tonight isn't greatness when it's such an outlier. It's luck |
Disagree. It’s not luck. It’s process. He will only get better, IMO |
If he doesn't shoot consistently well then it's not process. It's luck |
Once again, we disagree.
Pretty sure he’s practicing improving that aspect of his game. He’s said as much. Takes time. |
And if he's consistent in the future we can say the process paid off for him. That he isn't right now means this performance is more luck |
I don’t see it that way.
The process pays off each day if you’re focused and working at it. He appears to be the type of player that is committed to being great at everything.
I wouldn’t bet against the guy |
If it was the process that led to him shooting 63% from 3 then we should see it more often. Because the process is reliable and can be called upon regularly. That he doesn't do this regularly means it is unreliable, and therefore not the process. It was luck. |
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LaLaLakeShow
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| drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | drae wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | | drae wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | I dont even think bucks played a great game
Giannis played 32 minutes
Middleton played 29 minutes
Bledsoe didnt play
Bucks are scary. the team is only really 1.5 years old and dominating. imagine how theyd gel with a few more games this season and more playoff experience
they're additions of Matthews, Robin Lopez, Korver is better than 1 of Brogdon |
Giannis had a career night from 3 for starters. He's never shot more than 4 in a game and every team lays off him |
isnt that how greatness starts? you improve weaknesses in your game. Lebron points to San Antonio finals loss to what catapulted his outside shooting improvements. Gianni's mechanics are not as great as Lebron's though, so I dont think he has the potential to be more than a mediocre outside shooter, but his three point and free throw shooting this year is vast improvement to years past. |
It's how greatness starts if you end up doing it consistently. Doing it one night against the Lakers is generally called a 'one off'.
He has improved his 3 point shooting but it's still low 30's, well below league average. The evidence points to Giannis fluking in a career night from 3, which helped because the Lakers kept Giannis out of the paint fairly easily.
The gameplan for Giannis is the gameplan for early Lebron - make him beat you over the top. More often than not he won't |
We’ll see. He looks like the next all time Great to me |
Doncic and Ingram
And that wasn't the argument. His 3 point shooting this year coming into this game was 31%. Him shooting 63% from 3 tonight isn't greatness when it's such an outlier. It's luck |
Disagree. It’s not luck. It’s process. He will only get better, IMO |
If he doesn't shoot consistently well then it's not process. It's luck |
Once again, we disagree.
Pretty sure he’s practicing improving that aspect of his game. He’s said as much. Takes time. |
And if he's consistent in the future we can say the process paid off for him. That he isn't right now means this performance is more luck |
I don’t see it that way.
The process pays off each day if you’re focused and working at it. He appears to be the type of player that is committed to being great at everything.
I wouldn’t bet against the guy |
If it was the process that led to him shooting 63% from 3 then we should see it more often. Because the process is reliable and can be called upon regularly. That he doesn't do this regularly means it is unreliable, and therefore not the process. It was luck. |
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stop the quoting
there's 3 responses filling up one page..lol
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Bucks needed Giannis to have 5 3PM and good FT shooting
just to beat the Lakers imagine if he missed 3 of those 3pt shots? The Lakers might have win this game. Though the Lakers lost, I think they have a good job keeping Giannis away from the shaded lane and forcing him to be in foul trouble. But unfortunately for the Lakers, Giannis hit his 3 pts. I dont think he can do that 4 games against the Lakers. |
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"I wasn't the #1 pick. AD was. Lebron was. I wasn't supposed to be here. I'm just happy that I'm here, going through the process and I always want to be better."
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| leking006 wrote: | Bucks needed Giannis to have 5 3PM and good FT shooting
just to beat the Lakers imagine if he missed 3 of those 3pt shots? The Lakers might have win this game. Though the Lakers lost, I think they have a good job keeping Giannis away from the shaded lane and forcing him to be in foul trouble. But unfortunately for the Lakers, Giannis hit his 3 pts. I dont think he can do that 4 games against the Lakers. |
Middleton and Lopez had mediocre games, and they were missing Bledsoe
Lebron and AD had they're usual games, minus a few points from lebron
Green, KCP had unusually great games
so with all that whats more likely to normalize (especially in playoffs) and if it does, who has the advantage?
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| This Bucks roster is made for regular season. Type of team that you can take into deep water and drown them. But if they can get someone like a healthy CP3 and Gallo and trade Bledsoe and Middleton and fillers than it could go either way. |
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | | leking006 wrote: | Bucks needed Giannis to have 5 3PM and good FT shooting
just to beat the Lakers imagine if he missed 3 of those 3pt shots? The Lakers might have win this game. Though the Lakers lost, I think they have a good job keeping Giannis away from the shaded lane and forcing him to be in foul trouble. But unfortunately for the Lakers, Giannis hit his 3 pts. I dont think he can do that 4 games against the Lakers. |
Middleton and Lopez had mediocre games, and they were missing Bledsoe
Lebron and AD had they're usual games, minus a few points from lebron
Green, KCP had unusually great games
so with all that whats more likely to normalize (especially in playoffs) and if it does, who has the advantage? |
I think it's a blessing in disguise for the Bucks that Bledsoe is not there. The Lakers had a hard time putting a wall on Giannis because they can't sag on George Hill. Mddleton and Lopez had a mediocre game mainly because of Lakers defense and I think it will stay that way. |
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currently eating crow regarding the bucks
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The Bucks are a very good team and yesterday they deserved the win but let's see, they need to win first against two of Heat, 76ers, Celtics and Raptors. Last year everybody assumed that the Bucks would go to the final and then they lost against Toronto.
We need to consider first Dallas, Clippers and Houston. |
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Lakers got spanked. It happens over a long season. Team just needs to regroup and move on to the next game and stop the losing streak.
Give the Bucks credit. Their defense was fantastic. They worked hard as a team all game, rotated to contest and have the length and coaching to interrupt the lob attempts the Lakers thrive on.
Bucks are an experienced playoff tested team led by the MVP. Lakers are a revamped team trying to get to that level this season. That chemistry and trust in your teammates is earned and special. Lakers are just not there yet. |
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Not coincidental (except the Pacers loss) that we cannot beat the really well coached/good teams.
Clips/Raps/Bucks all had our number and stopped LBJ pretty much. You stop him and our juggernaut's engine comes to a halt. We need to figure out better rotations and get some bodies via trade/buyouts. We have time b/f the playoffs but it's a bit concerning that we can't beat the contender teams.
I think we will be great against 95% of the NBA and be a favorite to beat them on a nightly basis. Against contenders, that's more dubious.
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| Quote: | The biggest question coming out of tonight’s game:
1. How the Lakers matchup vs LAC/MIL
2. How the Lakers matchup up vs 27 teams
The Lakers will have their roster flaws exposed on such rare occasions, do they dismiss them as “fixable” or do they look to address them via trade |
https://twitter.com/bj_metta/status/1207953836255563776?s=21
Pretty much. I’m in the “need to address” camp. |
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | | leking006 wrote: | Bucks needed Giannis to have 5 3PM and good FT shooting
just to beat the Lakers imagine if he missed 3 of those 3pt shots? The Lakers might have win this game. Though the Lakers lost, I think they have a good job keeping Giannis away from the shaded lane and forcing him to be in foul trouble. But unfortunately for the Lakers, Giannis hit his 3 pts. I dont think he can do that 4 games against the Lakers. |
Middleton and Lopez had mediocre games, and they were missing Bledsoe
Lebron and AD had they're usual games, minus a few points from lebron
Green, KCP had unusually great games
so with all that whats more likely to normalize (especially in playoffs) and if it does, who has the advantage? |
I would think it is still hard to say. Niether team has hit their full product perhaps. The Lakers didn't have Kuzma...but we are not exactly sure if that matters. Vogel believes Kuzma can be big for the Lakers if he is healthy. We will see.
Truth is, the Lakers have really played their entire healthy lineup all season...someone has always been out..Rondo, Kuzma, Bradley. |
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| CRoost wrote: | | This Bucks roster is made for regular season. Type of team that you can take into deep water and drown them. But if they can get someone like a healthy CP3 and Gallo and trade Bledsoe and Middleton and fillers than it could go either way. |
Why would they trade Bledsoe and Middleton? That makes no sense.
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I honestly think the Bucks will be the #1 seeded team in the East and may even get out of the East. But they won't win the title so long as they don't have a second elite player.
People will say Raps. Kawhi didn't play the teams the Bucks would this year. The type of 2 star teams the Bucks have to face will be an issue for them. They don't even have an elite ballhandler or all-star level point like Kawhi did to get him the ball. Kawhi even had a great trio of bigs in Gasol, Ibaka, Pascal.
Their offense is fantastic - built around Giannis' greatness. The team reminds me a lot of the prime Dwight Howard magic, A lot of great spacing around a dominant paint player, a fantastic defender. No elite or all-star level second player. Like with Dwight, I think eventually you will see Giannis recognize this. Remember Coach Bud's Hawks teams also won the East RS and then failed in the playoffs. His teams usually lack the 1-2 punch of ring teams, and this is no different.
I'll take our team any day over the Bucks roster, even if the Bucks end up doing better than us this year. To me the teams that could win a title this year all have legit 2 elite options. Only Miwaukee does not. It will catch up to them in the playoffs. We're built (and unfortunately so are the Clips) to win a title. The Bucks are built for a great RS and good playoff runs, no title. Not saying we will win the title, but if I had to pick rosters for the next 2 years I easily choose ours. If I were picking players for the next 5-7 years, of course I'd probably take Giannis by a little over AD, and by a lot (due to age) over Lebron.
All that said, I love the way Milwaukee plays, and I respect coach Bud and Giannis. If Lakers fail to win a ring, I'd definitely smile to see them beat down the Clippers (even though I think the Clippers would win that match up). If I'm Milwaukee I do everything in my power to trade Middleton and picks for a more dominant scoring guard/wing. If there's one available. |
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Ok, now we seen the preview vs the Bucks and in couple days we’ll see one with the Clips on Xmas (1st game really didn’t count), Bucks prob staying put but Clips I expect will tinker and bring some size to match up with us/Bucks.
This roster has a chance to win against either team in a 7 game series but I’m not so sure we’ll be the favorite. We always stall and got ran on when LeBron sits, what do we need? Who’s expendable?
By the way, playoff time, I think teams can double Giannis and get the ball out of his hands like they do Harden but Clips got 2 of those (3 with Lou) that can score without help
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Bud is quietly the MDA of the East. Great regular season teams, gets MVPs for his guys. But come playoffs, yeah.
But Giannis, this dude is insane. Wish we could have him but don't seem like things will align for that to happen.
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Lebron was pretty terrible at the end, 21 points from lebron in playoff games wont help us win a lot of games against top teams.
DG has a great night, but our bench has unusually bad games, . They should cancel out.
Vogel needs to find a rotation, I saw some of our players turning down wide open 3s because they don’t have confidence in them anymore
ADs shot has been off especially from the 3, hopefully he finds his stroke soon |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Bud is quietly the MDA of the East. Great regular season teams, gets MVPs for his guys. But come playoffs, yeah.
But Giannis, this dude is insane. Wish we could have him but don't seem like things will align for that to happen. |
At some point Giannis is going to see this Bucks team for what it is. A team that has no second superstar or even a consistent second all-star. Middleton is a sometimes all-star, more along the lines of all-star calibder. If by end of next season the Bucks don't get him a second star, I think he will be advised to leave. He may just be a loyal guy and stay with them, but at some point, a trade demand is coming. IMO he either leaves as a FA in 2021 or asks for a trade within 2-3 years. He is an exceptional talent, who worked on his weakness in his game. He deserves to be paired with a second all-star to give him a legit shot at a ring or rings. IMO, |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Bud is quietly the MDA of the East. Great regular season teams, gets MVPs for his guys. But come playoffs, yeah.
But Giannis, this dude is insane. Wish we could have him but don't seem like things will align for that to happen. |
At some point Giannis is going to see this Bucks team for what it is. A team that has no second superstar or even a consistent second all-star. Middleton is a sometimes all-star, more along the lines of all-star calibder. If by end of next season the Bucks don't get him a second star, I think he will be advised to leave. He may just be a loyal guy and stay with them, but at some point, a trade demand is coming. IMO he either leaves as a FA in 2021 or asks for a trade within 2-3 years. He is an exceptional talent, who worked on his weakness in his game. He deserves to be paired with a second all-star to give him a legit shot at a ring or rings. IMO, |
Where will he go to get a 2nd bona fide star?
ON the one hand, he'd leave a team tailor made for him.
If he joins a team with enough cap space for 2 max, then he won't have the depth and tailor made team around him.
My dream of all dreams, even more than when LBJ joined us in 2018, is a Giannis/AD duo.
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Teams are going to get up to play us. I feel like we approach these marquee games very lackadaisically while the Clips/Bucks approach it like it's Game 7 of the Finals.
I get that it's a regular season, but we do not have the luxury of falling behind against the elite teams.
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