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yinoma2001
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| PayasoLoco wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | The only thing that caused Kuzma to play poor today is the injury he sustained so I’m not gonna go all critical on him.. hopefully he bounces back for the road trip. |
It was his injury that caused defensive lapses? Like leaving his man open undder the basket to double team 3 point line? |
His D was atrocious today. And then you have him out there with a Rondo? Yikes.
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Brawn13
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| Kuz and Rondo are gonna cost us games. need to upgrade from them while we still have time. Question is...how do we do that? |
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eddiejonze
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There is a reason NOLA didn't want him.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | Can’t believe we picked Kuzma over Ingram. |
We didn’t.
We picked AD over Ingram. |
Why do people still make that fraudulent claim about choosing Kuzma over Ingram? Ingram, Lonzo, and #4 were always going to be involved.
Perhaps Hart could have been kept over Kuzma but BI was NEVER off the table. Griffin was gushing over BI well before he ever took the job. |
It’s disingenuous. Pels rightfully wanted our best assets. Kuz was not that. |
And imagine had we given up Kuzma too. Pelinka would have been dragged for giving up everything. To be fair from out standpoint, after BI, there wasn't a big gap between Lonzo or Kuzma so it is what it is.
Let's hope he can come back to life.. all we need is efficiency in 16ppg. |
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MJST
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| Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| eddiejonze wrote: | | There is a reason NOLA didn't want him. |
but they did
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2840786-lakers-trade-rumors-pelicans-want-kyle-kuzma-included-in-anthony-davis-package
Tania Ganguli and Brad Turner of the Los Angeles Times reported the Pelicans want Kyle Kuzma as part of any Davis package, while the Lakers are hesitant to move him.
Report: Pelicans want Kyle Kuzma most among all Lakers prospects"The Pelicans are interested in three of the Lakers’ young players — whether that’s Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram or Josh Hart — and the No. 4 draft pick in order to acquire Davis, according to people familiar with the trade discussions who were not authorized to speak publicly. It’s possible New Orleans could use the No. 4 pick to acquire a player from a third team.
Among the young Lakers, New Orleans covets Kuzma the most."
They got lucky that the Lakers picked Kuzma to keep cause he was cheaper than Ingram... cause they got Ingram right before he took off, and the Lakers kept Kuzma after he'd already landed.
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matrixskillz
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| Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| eddiejonze wrote: | | There is a reason NOLA didn't want him. |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| 2019 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | Can’t believe we picked Kuzma over Ingram. |
We didn’t.
We picked AD over Ingram. |
Why do people still make that fraudulent claim about choosing Kuzma over Ingram? Ingram, Lonzo, and #4 were always going to be involved.
Perhaps Hart could have been kept over Kuzma but BI was NEVER off the table. Griffin was gushing over BI well before he ever took the job. |
Because people love to believe in hypotheticals even if they make zero sense. |
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bandiger
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Could’ve kept Ball? That hurts. |
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | Kuz and Rondo are gonna cost us games. need to upgrade from them while we still have time. Question is...how do we do that? |
Rondo has been okay on offense. But I don't think that he really has much trade value this early in the season due to his lack of effort defensively.
Kuzma needs to get healthy. He needs to defend better, rebound and do the little things to help the team until he gets rolling. IMO he's not ready to be a 3rd option. |
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| MJST wrote: | | eddiejonze wrote: | | There is a reason NOLA didn't want him. |
but they did
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2840786-lakers-trade-rumors-pelicans-want-kyle-kuzma-included-in-anthony-davis-package
Tania Ganguli and Brad Turner of the Los Angeles Times reported the Pelicans want Kyle Kuzma as part of any Davis package, while the Lakers are hesitant to move him.
Report: Pelicans want Kyle Kuzma most among all Lakers prospects"The Pelicans are interested in three of the Lakers’ young players — whether that’s Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram or Josh Hart — and the No. 4 draft pick in order to acquire Davis, according to people familiar with the trade discussions who were not authorized to speak publicly. It’s possible New Orleans could use the No. 4 pick to acquire a player from a third team.
Among the young Lakers, New Orleans covets Kuzma the most."
They got lucky that the Lakers picked Kuzma to keep cause he was cheaper than Ingram... cause they got Ingram right before he took off, and the Lakers kept Kuzma after he'd already landed. |
personally I thought Brad Turner was shoveling large quantities of bad information out there about the AD trade. |
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ringfinger
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| MJST wrote: | | eddiejonze wrote: | | There is a reason NOLA didn't want him. |
but they did
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2840786-lakers-trade-rumors-pelicans-want-kyle-kuzma-included-in-anthony-davis-package
Tania Ganguli and Brad Turner of the Los Angeles Times reported the Pelicans want Kyle Kuzma as part of any Davis package, while the Lakers are hesitant to move him.
Report: Pelicans want Kyle Kuzma most among all Lakers prospects"The Pelicans are interested in three of the Lakers’ young players — whether that’s Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram or Josh Hart — and the No. 4 draft pick in order to acquire Davis, according to people familiar with the trade discussions who were not authorized to speak publicly. It’s possible New Orleans could use the No. 4 pick to acquire a player from a third team.
Among the young Lakers, New Orleans covets Kuzma the most."
They got lucky that the Lakers picked Kuzma to keep cause he was cheaper than Ingram... cause they got Ingram right before he took off, and the Lakers kept Kuzma after he'd already landed. |
Of course they wanted him. If the Lakers offered to throw him in, they would have taken it.
There was never an Ingram/Kuz choice is the point no matter how hard we stomp our feet.
There’s also the source to consider. |
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| bandiger wrote: |
Could’ve kept Ball? That hurts. |
his defense would have been nice when combined with Davis's and having an actual point guard out there that could do so.
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ringfinger
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| MJST wrote: | | bandiger wrote: |
Could’ve kept Ball? That hurts. |
his defense would have been nice when combined with Davis's and having an actual point guard out there that could do so. |
He can’t play defense if he cannot stay on the court though. Love Lonzo but my god the kid is made of glass. |
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yinoma2001
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| bandiger wrote: |
Could’ve kept Ball? That hurts. |
Not even true. People running with this false narrative. We were going after Kawhi and needed every ounce of cap space. Heck we had to trade mo and Bonga for nothing too.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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At best it was Kuz or Hart.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | bandiger wrote: |
Could’ve kept Ball? That hurts. |
his defense would have been nice when combined with Davis's and having an actual point guard out there that could do so. |
He can’t play defense if he cannot stay on the court though. Love Lonzo but my god the kid is made of glass. |
Hell no, I’d keep Kuz over Lonzo for sure. |
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ringfinger
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | At best it was Kuz or Hart. |
Yup. |
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PayasoLoco
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| Shoulda traded Kuz for something, hell even a 2nd rounder and signed melo |
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eddiejonze
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If a cap space issue then wish we kept hart instead.
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| PayasoLoco wrote: | | Shoulda traded Kuz for something, hell even a 2nd rounder and signed melo |
Into the volt we go! |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| 2019 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | Can’t believe we picked Kuzma over Ingram. |
We didn’t.
We picked AD over Ingram. |
Why do people still make that fraudulent claim about choosing Kuzma over Ingram? Ingram, Lonzo, and #4 were always going to be involved.
Perhaps Hart could have been kept over Kuzma but BI was NEVER off the table. Griffin was gushing over BI well before he ever took the job. |
I wish that we had kept Hart. Then we might have been able to fill a hole with Rondo’s salary.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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I’m still having a tough time evaluating Kuz fairly and objectively.
Dude has had 3 legit injuries over the past month. |
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| Kuzma was sensational as a rookie. Now he tries too hard to be sth he really isn't, e.g. being the 3rd scoring option. He forces things instead of letting the game come to him and play within the flow of the offense. I'd take Rookie-Kuzma over the current version any day tbh. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | Can’t believe we picked Kuzma over Ingram. |
We didn’t.
We picked AD over Ingram. |
Why do people still make that fraudulent claim about choosing Kuzma over Ingram? Ingram, Lonzo, and #4 were always going to be involved.
Perhaps Hart could have been kept over Kuzma but BI was NEVER off the table. Griffin was gushing over BI well before he ever took the job. |
It’s disingenuous. Pels rightfully wanted our best assets. Kuz was not that. |
It's ridiculous and CC should no better.
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| Carushow wrote: | | Kuzma was sensational as a rookie. Now he tries too hard to be sth he really isn't, e.g. being the 3rd scoring option. He forces things instead of letting the game come to him and play within the flow of the offense. I'd take Rookie-Kuzma over the current version any day tbh. |
He didnt force much today. Took 8 shots. |
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