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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:38 pm    Post subject:

LeBron was talking with Derozan before the Westbrook deal, so I assume he knows about it. And if LeBron and Derozan were discussing things about it, it means Derozan may already be on his way.
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If DROZ takes the MMLE you sign him ASAP and figure it out later.


I think this lack of 3 pt shooting and game has changed talk is so overblown and overrated. Like if Shaq was 25 yrs old right now, is he going to stop bulldozing over you and dunk over you, force you to double team, etc., because "the game has changed?" LOL! The game doesn't make you, players make the game. Yeah, you can lose to a team that is on a hot streak from down town on any given night, but most nights, efficient two ball will beat all the inconsistent 3 pt chucking every night in the NBA.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:40 pm    Post subject:

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LeBron was talking with Derozan before the Westbrook deal, so I assume he knows about it. And if LeBron and Derozan were discussing things about it, it means Derozan may already be on his way.


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We all know LeBron likes recruiting during this time of the year, he knows what to say to make players interested in coming here, now rather the signing works out is another story but you can’t deny that LeBron is a master when it comes to convincing players to come, he must have said something that made DeRozan convinced during the meeting a few days ago.


IG I shared the reason earlier buddy. Bron recruiting is just the cherry on top
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:47 pm    Post subject:

I still find it hard to believe he will take only $6M. If he does it will really help us out a lot.
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If DROZ takes the MMLE you sign him ASAP and figure it out later.


I think this lack of 3 pt shooting and game has changed talk is so overblown and overrated. Like if Shaq was 25 yrs old right now, is he going to stop bulldozing over you and dunk over you, force you to double team, etc., because "the game has changed?" LOL! The game doesn't make you, players make the game. Yeah, you can lose to a team that is on a hot streak from down town on any given night, but most nights, efficient two ball will beat all the inconsistent 3 pt chucking every night in the NBA.


It doesn’t matter what year it is, the math doesn’t change. The 4 teams in the conference finals? All top 5 in 3 pointers made.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:51 pm    Post subject:

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LeBron was talking with Derozan before the Westbrook deal, so I assume he knows about it. And if LeBron and Derozan were discussing things about it, it means Derozan may already be on his way.


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same thing Draymond does with every free agent
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Runway8 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
If DROZ takes the MMLE you sign him ASAP and figure it out later.


I think this lack of 3 pt shooting and game has changed talk is so overblown and overrated. Like if Shaq was 25 yrs old right now, is he going to stop bulldozing over you and dunk over you, force you to double team, etc., because "the game has changed?" LOL! The game doesn't make you, players make the game. Yeah, you can lose to a team that is on a hot streak from down town on any given night, but most nights, efficient two ball will beat all the inconsistent 3 pt chucking every night in the NBA.


It doesn’t matter what year it is, the math doesn’t change. The 4 teams in the conference finals? All top 5 in 3 pointers made.



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:57 pm    Post subject:

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Runway8 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
If DROZ takes the MMLE you sign him ASAP and figure it out later.


I think this lack of 3 pt shooting and game has changed talk is so overblown and overrated. Like if Shaq was 25 yrs old right now, is he going to stop bulldozing over you and dunk over you, force you to double team, etc., because "the game has changed?" LOL! The game doesn't make you, players make the game. Yeah, you can lose to a team that is on a hot streak from down town on any given night, but most nights, efficient two ball will beat all the inconsistent 3 pt chucking every night in the NBA.


It doesn’t matter what year it is, the math doesn’t change. The 4 teams in the conference finals? All top 5 in 3 pointers made.


Because that's how they're built. Everyone is copying. MJ and Shaq both 25 yrs old, and on the same team in 2022. Their team won't be top 5 in three pt shooting, but they'll be in the finals. LOL!

The league is jacking up way more threes, but the % of success has been steadfast around 35% for decades. It is absolutely possible to build a traditional team with highly efficient 2 pt scorers to beat a 3 pt chucking team.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:59 pm    Post subject:

Were the Lakers and HEAT top 4 orn5 3 point shooting teams the previous year?
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Runway8 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Runway8 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
If DROZ takes the MMLE you sign him ASAP and figure it out later.


I think this lack of 3 pt shooting and game has changed talk is so overblown and overrated. Like if Shaq was 25 yrs old right now, is he going to stop bulldozing over you and dunk over you, force you to double team, etc., because "the game has changed?" LOL! The game doesn't make you, players make the game. Yeah, you can lose to a team that is on a hot streak from down town on any given night, but most nights, efficient two ball will beat all the inconsistent 3 pt chucking every night in the NBA.


It doesn’t matter what year it is, the math doesn’t change. The 4 teams in the conference finals? All top 5 in 3 pointers made.


Because that's how they're built. Everyone is copying. MJ and Shaq both 25 yrs old, and on the same team in 2022. Their team won't be top 5 in three pt shooting, but they'll be in the finals. LOL!

The league is jacking up way more threes, but the % of success has been steadfast around 35% for decades. It is absolutely possible to build a traditional team with highly efficient 2 pt scorers to beat a 3 pt chucking team.


I wouldn’t want MJ KOBE SHAQ MAGIC of KAREEM on my team now. Dudes can’t shoot 3s

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:00 pm    Post subject:

Of DD is willing to come for 6 mill when he could no doubt get 20 mill on the open market you take it. You sign sign cheap good vets that can shoot with the rest of the money. They are out there.
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Runway8 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Runway8 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
If DROZ takes the MMLE you sign him ASAP and figure it out later.


I think this lack of 3 pt shooting and game has changed talk is so overblown and overrated. Like if Shaq was 25 yrs old right now, is he going to stop bulldozing over you and dunk over you, force you to double team, etc., because "the game has changed?" LOL! The game doesn't make you, players make the game. Yeah, you can lose to a team that is on a hot streak from down town on any given night, but most nights, efficient two ball will beat all the inconsistent 3 pt chucking every night in the NBA.


It doesn’t matter what year it is, the math doesn’t change. The 4 teams in the conference finals? All top 5 in 3 pointers made.


Because that's how they're built. Everyone is copying. MJ and Shaq both 25 yrs old, and on the same team in 2022. Their team won't be top 5 in three pt shooting, but they'll be in the finals. LOL!

The league is jacking up way more threes, but the % of success has been steadfast around 35% for decades. It is absolutely possible to build a traditional team with highly efficient 2 pt scorers to beat a 3 pt chucking team.


I wouldn’t want MJ KOBE SHAQ MAGIC of KAREEM on my team now. Dudes can’t shoot 3s

LOLZ


And I didn't even bring up recent history. They want to point to 2021 playoff teams. We won the chip in 2020! What number were we in 3 pts made? 24!!!!! LOL! We didn't win in 2021, not because we're not top 5 in three point shooting. We didn't win because our very highly efficient 2pt scoring super stars in Lebron and AD were compromised during the season and playoffs.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:04 pm    Post subject:

Well 29 other teams don't have Bron and AD, so their best chance is to play the 3 game. And now we have a mini Lebron in Russ lol
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:05 pm    Post subject:

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Well 29 other teams don't have Bron and AD, so their best chance is to play the 3 game. And now we have a mini Lebron in Russ lol


Exactly, you just have to build to your strength. What the hell we fretting about when we have Bron, AD, Russ and possible DeMar? Just sprinkles some threes to compliment these guys and we good.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:17 pm    Post subject:

For all those who don’t want WB and DDR simply because “they need 3 point shooters” and “the spacing” the basic concept to win in bb is put the ball in basket more times than the opponent generating more points.

Example:

60% shooting which is not uncommon top of key and down on 2 pointers per 100 shots = 120 points and also often generates 1 extra point on fts with fouls in addition to ALSO affecting how the other team defends in terms of their key players.

35% shooting which is good 3pt % as a team per 100 shots = 105 points and does not typically generate the additional point on fouls.

This is just a mathematical comparison of factors and not the sum of how scoring works in total to win the game. But, while it’s important to be at least competent at 3 pointers yourself, the points needed to win CAN be made up for by offensive rebounding, holding the other team’s 2pt/3pt % down (i.e. defense) and by making your own open 2 point shots with good efficiency.

Not rocket surgery (lol) -> more talent and efficiency = probably going to win

Better IMO to complain about lack of scoring efficiency than 3 point % on paper. WB is questionable in that category but DDR is actually pretty good.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:17 pm    Post subject:

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Well 29 other teams don't have Bron and AD, so their best chance is to play the 3 game. And now we have a mini Lebron in Russ lol


Exactly, you just have to build to your strength. What the hell we fretting about when we have Bron, AD, Russ and possible DeMar? Just sprinkles some threes to compliment these guys and we good.


But the spacing !?!?!?

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I still find it hard to believe he will take only $6M. If he does it will really help us out a lot.


At the least he is keeping the Lakers as a serious option to drum up offers or the right S&T. If the well dries up we could become an option but yeah you'd think he would at least pull 15M for a team willing to S&T.

If he signs you're happy and continue to pursue shooters. LBJ and Davis would take a lot of 3's which is fine. Looks like they're going to get plenty of shooting off the bench with the guys they are targeting. May end up seeing a lot of Melo/GayKieff at 4, LBJ at 3 and Davis at 5 unless they get a 5 that can shoot.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:34 pm    Post subject:

Thing I like about DD is he can be a real closer.

As for the 3 point shooting I think he can get better like Schroeder got “better” at it a season prior to joining us.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:41 pm    Post subject:

Not that it's a done deal or anything, but I am concerned if Vogel and the coaching staff are able to work with all this talent. I doubt egos are going to be a problem at all, as they are all proven stars and really winning a chip should be their main thing.

But you have essentially 4 franchise players. Is it going to be as simple as

Bron : overall facilitator
AD : defensive coordinator
Russ : bulldog, secondary playmaker
DD : closer, mid range specialist?
Everyone else : just don't mess it up
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DeRozan had his sights set on joining the Lakers as a free agent and coming home to play for his favorite team while growing up in Compton. But Russ put the brakes on that. DeRozan made $27 million last season and probably doesn’t want to take that big of a pay cut. So, for the Clippers to sign DeRozan, they probably would have to do a sign-and-trade. But watch out for Dallas possibly being a home for DeRozan -Brad Turner

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:23 am    Post subject:

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If Derozan comes, would this be the worst 3 point shooting big 4 in Nba history?

I actually can't think of another legit big 4.

Garnett/Pierce/Ray/Rondo??
The Malone Lakers?
Nash Lakers?


Kobe/Odom/Gasol/Bynum was a pretty bad shooting big 4 outside of Kobe.
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venturalakersfan wrote:
Runway8 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
If DROZ takes the MMLE you sign him ASAP and figure it out later.


I think this lack of 3 pt shooting and game has changed talk is so overblown and overrated. Like if Shaq was 25 yrs old right now, is he going to stop bulldozing over you and dunk over you, force you to double team, etc., because "the game has changed?" LOL! The game doesn't make you, players make the game. Yeah, you can lose to a team that is on a hot streak from down town on any given night, but most nights, efficient two ball will beat all the inconsistent 3 pt chucking every night in the NBA.


It doesn’t matter what year it is, the math doesn’t change. The 4 teams in the conference finals? All top 5 in 3 pointers made.

This.

This isn't even close to being accurate. Of course, it varies by year.

2020 Playoffs: Denver #24, Lakers #23, Boston #16, Heat #6. Link.
2019 Playoffs: Portland #17, Toronto #8, GSW #3, Bucks #2. Link
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Were the Lakers and HEAT top 4 orn5 3 point shooting teams the previous year?


In an 8 game season? Throw that one out, it was an abnormal season, the stats are meaningless.
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DeRozan had his sights set on joining the Lakers as a free agent and coming home to play for his favorite team while growing up in Compton. But Russ put the brakes on that. DeRozan made $27 million last season and probably doesn’t want to take that big of a pay cut. So, for the Clippers to sign DeRozan, they probably would have to do a sign-and-trade. But watch out for Dallas possibly being a home for DeRozan -Brad Turner


No doubt that DDR wants to win but the earnings window for a star like him might be 12-15 years, for a lesser player maybe 5-8. I would never criticize a player for making all he can because I would be doing the same thing.
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