Joined: 07 May 2014 Posts: 13823 Location: Boulder ;)
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:07 pm Post subject:
TV wasn't in my life much but I looked up this guy's IMDB and WOW is right
Rather large list below
He seems to have been a very energetic and outgoing/charismatic person from comments tonight out there
The crash occurred at about 4:53 p.m. Monday on Vermont Route 30 just north of Morse Hill Road when a southbound 2008 Honda Element driven by Ryan M. Koss, 35, of Pownal, Vermont, attempted to turn left into a parking lot.
Initial investigation indicates the Element stopped, signaled a left turn, and then turned into the path of a northbound 1986 Honda VT700c motorcycle operated by Williams.
Williams was unable to avoid a collision and was thrown from his motorcycle. He suffered critical injuries and was airlifted to Albany Medical Center in Albany, New York, where he was pronounced dead. Koss was checked by medical personnel at the scene for minor injuries and was not transported to a hospital.
Hard to believe the Honda Element couldn’t see the motorcycle.
Only 2 scenarios I can think of:
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1) Treat Williams was going like 100mph+, the Honda Element slowly tried to make the left turn after seeing it was clear and Treat Williams covered alot of ground and ran right into the Honda Element.
2) The Honda Element didn’t stop, didn’t check. He made an abrupt left turn and Treat Williams ran into him.
Here’s where I think it happened on google maps based on the police report:
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“on Vermont Route 30 just north of Morse Hill Road”
6WFG+4RX Dorset, Vermont
Looking at the google map street view, looks like there’s a bend in the road on VT-30 going southbound past Morse Hill Road.
So Treat Williams going northbound on VT-30 would have been coming around this bend.
And for reference, 100mph = 147 ft per second. So let’s say it took the Element 5-10 seconds to complete his left turn into the parking lot…
If Treat Williams was going 100mph, he could have covered from 700-1,400 ft in that time span.
That would be enough distance to come around that bend where the Honda Element didn’t see him, and he runs right into the Element making a left turn.
Also, looks like that stretch of road on VT-30 has double solid yellow lines. The police report says the Element stopped, turned on his left turn signal and then turned.
It's been so long I forgot what's the actual rule on turning left on double solid yellow lines. I found a video:
Looks like you can stop and turn left. I'm surprised.
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 52656 Location: Making a safety stop at 15 feet.
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:05 am Post subject:
ChickenStu wrote:
Yes, this does suck. Oh, and don't ride a motorcycle, kids. You're naked unto the world. RIP.
Yep. There are only two kind of motorcyclists: those who have had an accident, and those who will.
Anyway. RIP to Treat. Good dude who gave us a great body of work. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:36 am Post subject:
ChickenStu wrote:
Yes, this does suck. Oh, and don't ride a motorcycle, kids. You're naked unto the world. RIP.
My best friend buried his son last week. He had an accident not long ago and used the money he won in the insurance claim to buy a new bike. My friend pleaded with him to stop riding. I have friends who ride. All have had accidents.
. I remember Treat from the Phantom movie. RIP _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:40 am Post subject:
People make the false “can’t turn” assumption about double yellow lines, which simply mean no passing in either direction. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Yes, this does suck. Oh, and don't ride a motorcycle, kids. You're naked unto the world. RIP.
I’m starting to feel the same with bikes too.
Used to be a daily bike commuter. Sold my bike last year after moving into the foothills of my neighborhood where stop signs are taken by drivers as a light suggestion. Never had a bad accident but too many close calls for comfort. Even on runs I've nearly been hit several times. It’s always someone looking at their phone. _________________ 14-5-3-12
Joined: 25 Apr 2015 Posts: 31919 Location: Anaheim, CA
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:49 pm Post subject:
ocho wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Yes, this does suck. Oh, and don't ride a motorcycle, kids. You're naked unto the world. RIP.
I’m starting to feel the same with bikes too.
Used to be a daily bike commuter. Sold my bike last year after moving into the foothills of my neighborhood where stop signs are taken by drivers as a light suggestion. Never had a bad accident but too many close calls for comfort. Even on runs I've nearly been hit several times. It’s always someone looking at their phone.
I'm extremely cautious as a pedestrian. I had a cousin tragically die about 15 years ago in an accident where he was a pedestrian and a guy driving an RV didn't see him as he was turning a corner, hit him, and then dragged him for a distance. It was just awful. I always assume that the driver of a car won't see me. I always let a car go, and there are many times where the car stops, I still don't go, and I won't go until they physically motion for me to proceed. And when I'm driving, it's the opposite, I always assume that a pedestrian doesn't see me and I motion for them to go, never going first, unless they specifically wave to me like they actually aren't going to go and that I should just go ahead. It's actually astonishing to me how often pedestrians don't pay attention to cars, like they just assume they are perfectly safe. I'm on high alert at all times in those situations. Not in a panic, mind you, but just simply being very aware of my surroundings.
I would never fathom riding a motorcycle, whether as the sole operator or as a passenger, and though I haven't ridden a bike outside in years (I have in my building's fitness center), when I did, I never chose to operate my bike on the actual street where the cars drive. Just always seemed dangerous to me. I would always ride on the sidewalk, not on the street.
Sadly he didn't have to go that fast to die on a motorcycle. Cars have crush zones and all that safety equipment. Motorcycles basically have none. You, the rider are the sacrificial lamb in a motorcycle accident. Most fatal motorcycle accidents involve a vehicle making a left and cutting off a motorcycle and the rider goes flying off into the distance. Helmets may save some lives but the rider usually perishes from internal injuries because of the blunt force impact.
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 52656 Location: Making a safety stop at 15 feet.
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:17 am Post subject:
lakersken80 wrote:
Sadly he didn't have to go that fast to die on a motorcycle. Cars have crush zones and all that safety equipment. Motorcycles basically have none. You, the rider are the sacrificial lamb in a motorcycle accident. Most fatal motorcycle accidents involve a vehicle making a left and cutting off a motorcycle and the rider goes flying off into the distance. Helmets may save some lives but the rider usually perishes from internal injuries because of the blunt force impact.
Yeah, helmets really only saves lives by protecting the head in lay-down or knock-down situations. When the body goes flying dozens of feet through the air, there's no really no way to protect catastrophic injury. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Yes, this does suck. Oh, and don't ride a motorcycle, kids. You're naked unto the world. RIP.
I’m starting to feel the same with bikes too.
Used to be a daily bike commuter. Sold my bike last year after moving into the foothills of my neighborhood where stop signs are taken by drivers as a light suggestion. Never had a bad accident but too many close calls for comfort. Even on runs I've nearly been hit several times. It’s always someone looking at their phone.
I'm extremely cautious as a pedestrian. I had a cousin tragically die about 15 years ago in an accident where he was a pedestrian and a guy driving an RV didn't see him as he was turning a corner, hit him, and then dragged him for a distance. It was just awful. I always assume that the driver of a car won't see me. I always let a car go, and there are many times where the car stops, I still don't go, and I won't go until they physically motion for me to proceed. And when I'm driving, it's the opposite, I always assume that a pedestrian doesn't see me and I motion for them to go, never going first, unless they specifically wave to me like they actually aren't going to go and that I should just go ahead. It's actually astonishing to me how often pedestrians don't pay attention to cars, like they just assume they are perfectly safe. I'm on high alert at all times in those situations. Not in a panic, mind you, but just simply being very aware of my surroundings.
I would never fathom riding a motorcycle, whether as the sole operator or as a passenger, and though I haven't ridden a bike outside in years (I have in my building's fitness center), when I did, I never chose to operate my bike on the actual street where the cars drive. Just always seemed dangerous to me. I would always ride on the sidewalk, not on the street.
I used to love riding my motorcycle. I had to give it up when I got married. One of the many things I had to do for my wife. No doubt it is very dangerous. I have numerous close calls. Glad I am still here in one piece.
Also up on til few years ago, I was an avid cycler. I never rode on the streets though. Always on the isolated bike path (the ones running next to a river bed). You see crazy drivers everyday so I wasn't going to risk my life riding near them on a bicycle.
‘Everwood’ Star Treat Williams’ Cause of Death Determined
Nearly two months after the actor died in a motorcycle crash, the driver involved in the fatal accident has been charged
ALMOST TWO MONTHS after the death of Treat Williams, the driver involved in the fatal motorcycle accident has been charged, and a cause of death has been determined.
The Vermont State Police confirmed that the Medical Examiner’s Office in New York determined the actor “died of severe trauma and blood loss as a result of the crash,” according to a press release from the Vermont State Police. The man driving the vehicle that hit Williams’ motorcycle was issued “a citation on a charge of grossly negligent operation with death,” according to state authorities.
On June 12, the prolific actor known for his starring roles in the 1979 musical film Hair and on the WB series Everwood, died at that age of 71.
“It is with great sadness that we report that our beloved Treat Williams has passed away tonight in Dorset, Vermont, after a fatal motorcycle accident. As you can imagine, we are shocked and greatly bereaved at this time,” his family said in a previous statement to Rolling Stone. “Treat was full of love for his family, for his life and for his craft, and was truly at the top of his game in all of it.”
Following news of his death, actors Mark Hamill, Wendell Pierce and more shared tributes to Williams. Hamill, who worked with him in The Empire Strikes Back, shared a photo of the pair together on set. “Such a wonderful person… such a gifted actor… such a treasured friend,” he wrote.
Driver pleads guilty to reduced charge in crash that killed actor Treat Williams
March 9, 2024 / 3:31 PM EST / AP
A Vermont man on Friday pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of negligent driving with death resulting in the June crash that killed actor Treat Williams.
Ryan Koss, 35, who knew Williams, was given a one-year deferred sentence and as part of his probation will have his driving license revoked for a year and must complete a community restorative justice program on the misdemeanor charge.
Koss was turning left into a parking lot in a Honda SUV on June 12 when he collided with Williams' oncoming motorcycle in Dorset, police said. Williams, 71, of Manchester Center, who was wearing a helmet, suffered critical injuries and was airlifted to Albany Medical Center in Albany, New York, where he was pronounced dead, police said.
After the crash, Koss called Williams' wife to tell her what happened, said Bennington County State's Attorney Erica Marthage, who said Koss from the beginning has taken responsibility for the accident.
In the emotional hearing on Friday, Koss apologized and offered condolences to Williams' family and fans. The managing creative director of the Dorset Theatre Festival in Vermont knew Williams for years as a member of the tight-knit community, as well as a fellow theater member, and considered him a friend.
"I'm here to apologize and take responsibility for this tragic accident," he told the court.
Treat Williams
FILE -- Actor Treat Williams on stage during the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and Metrograph special screening of "Hair" at the Metrograph on Sept. 21, 2019, in New York City.
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Williams' son Gill, 32, wore his father's jacket and spoke directly to Koss, who he had met before the crash. The family did not want to press charges or have Koss go to prison, he said.
"I do forgive you, and I hope that you forgive yourself," he said. But he also added that "I really wish you hadn't killed my father. I really had to say that."
Gill Williams said his father was "everything" to their family and an extraordinary person who lived life to the fullest, and it's now hard to figure out how to go forward.
His father had given him the motorcycle the day before the crash, and he was "the safest person in the world," Gill Williams said.
"It's very difficult to have this happen based on someone's negligence," he said, urging people to take driving a lot more seriously and to look out for motorcycles. Statements from Williams' wife, Pam, and his daughter, who both did not attend the court hearing, were read aloud.
Pam Williams said in her statement that it was a tragic accident and that she hopes Koss can forgive himself.
"Our lives will never be the same, our family has been torn apart and there is a huge hole that can't possibly be filled," Pam Williams wrote in her statement.
Daughter Ellie Williams wrote in her statement that she was too angry and hurt at this time to forgive Koss but hopes she will in the future.
"I will never get to feel my father's hug again; be able to get his advice again, introduce him to my future husband, have him walk me down the aisle, introduce him to my babies, and have him cry when I name my first son after him," a victim's advocate said in reading her statement.
Koss originally pleaded not guilty to a felony charge of gross negligent operation with death resulting. If he had been convicted of that charge, he could have been sentenced to up to 15 years in prison.
Richard Treat Williams' nearly 50-year career included starring roles in the TV series "Everwood" and the movie "Hair." He appeared in more than 120 TV and film roles, including the movies "The Eagle Has Landed," "Prince of the City" and "Once Upon a Time in America."
Motorcycling I'd only do with a pack of other people on bikes. Two co-workers had bad accidents, one guy I didn't know died going home from work. Hell no, not for me. RIP _________________ Lakers. Built different.
Motorcycling I'd only do with a pack of other people on bikes. Two co-workers had bad accidents, one guy I didn't know died going home from work. Hell no, not for me. RIP
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