Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 35481 Location: Santa Clarita, CA (Hell) ->>>>>Ithaca, NY -≥≥≥≥≥Berkeley, CA
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:56 am Post subject:
PLATNUM wrote:
We need a historically cold winter
Yes, all homeless people should freeze and suffer because a small number of them have committed violent crime. /s _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
We all need to vote yes on prop 27, Californias only permanent solution to homelessness! (And yes that exact phrase is on a billboard off the 405)
Unfortunately, the only way we can solve homelessness is if we give the government powers to force them against their will to get help. The homeless still have legal rights according to the law so that isn't viable.
We all need to vote yes on prop 27, Californias only permanent solution to homelessness! (And yes that exact phrase is on a billboard off the 405)
Unfortunately, the only way we can solve homelessness is if we give the government powers to force them against their will to get help. The homeless still have legal rights according to the law so that isn't viable.
and even then it would take an INSANE amount of resources and infrastructure to give these people the help they need. Our mental health facilities are already running at 110% capacity with overworked staff. You will need to exponentially increase these facilities to help those that need it. _________________ (bleep) Kawhi
We all need to vote yes on prop 27, Californias only permanent solution to homelessness! (And yes that exact phrase is on a billboard off the 405)
Unfortunately, the only way we can solve homelessness is if we give the government powers to force them against their will to get help. The homeless still have legal rights according to the law so that isn't viable.
and even then it would take an INSANE amount of resources and infrastructure to give these people the help they need. Our mental health facilities are already running at 110% capacity with overworked staff. You will need to exponentially increase these facilities to help those that need it.
And on top of that, if there's no fear of becoming homeless, more and more people will just choose to get support/assistance from the government. Or they'll choose to stay in the system. Sort of like food stamps.
You really need the fear of becoming homeless to keep alot of people from becoming homeless. Taking that fear away isn't good either.
We all need to vote yes on prop 27, Californias only permanent solution to homelessness! (And yes that exact phrase is on a billboard off the 405)
Unfortunately, the only way we can solve homelessness is if we give the government powers to force them against their will to get help. The homeless still have legal rights according to the law so that isn't viable.
and even then it would take an INSANE amount of resources and infrastructure to give these people the help they need. Our mental health facilities are already running at 110% capacity with overworked staff. You will need to exponentially increase these facilities to help those that need it.
Agreed. Our focus of money spending towards homelessness, imo, needs to be on mental heatlh as well as drug rehab type facilities, but that's only of value if we can force the homeless people to actually get the help. otherwise it's wasted money.
I definitely do NOT think spending more money on affordable housing is the solution when from what I often read, the homeless choose against taking the housing options available because they prefer being in their tent / RV / encampment for a myriad of reasons. But I see too much legislation focused around this unfortunately .
Recently there was a story about a homeless encampment that had a 10-person tent and a fully functional laundry machine that they had tapped in to somebody else's power supply. Whoever hooked up that washer to power can get a job on an electrician crew today.
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:11 pm Post subject:
You guys have a lot to learn about reality and humanity. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 28510 Location: La La Land
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:54 am Post subject:
C M B wrote:
lakez34 wrote:
the homeless choose against taking the housing options available because they prefer being in their tent / RV / encampment for a myriad of reasons.
Reasons: the housing facilities prohibit shooting up/snorting/smoking/drinking
Probably more relevant is the stringent times people can enter and leave. Quite a hindrance to people who can’t get 9-5 jobs. When you are at the bottom a lot of times you have to work less desirable shifts (nights, graveyard) or you have to work multiple part time jobs.
Joined: 15 Nov 2006 Posts: 19749 Location: Prarie & Manchester, high above the western sideline
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:03 am Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
C M B wrote:
lakez34 wrote:
the homeless choose against taking the housing options available because they prefer being in their tent / RV / encampment for a myriad of reasons.
Reasons: the housing facilities prohibit shooting up/snorting/smoking/drinking
Probably more relevant is the stringent times people can enter and leave. Quite a hindrance to people who can’t get 9-5 jobs. When you are at the bottom a lot of times you have to work less desirable shifts (nights, graveyard) or you have to work multiple part time jobs.
The economic shock/working poor clients who want the housing don't tend to treat the house policies as a dealbreaker. They make it work, and they abide until they can gather themselves and move on. The ones who insist on living in the wholesale district tentropolis vehemently and invariably refuse any kind of regulation of their using (and trading) habits, and they use every drug except the ones that treat their psych disorders. It's a crap sandwich for everyone. _________________ http://chickhearn.ytmnd.com/
Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 7964 Location: Santa Monica
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:03 am Post subject:
One thing that would help, at least on a philosophical level, with our homeless problem is changing the way we think about homeless and poor people in general.
Our society looks down on poor people with contempt. People use the word "bum" as a synonym for homeless, they think all people on govt benefits are lazy deadbeat drug addicts, that all people who like paycheck to paycheck are live that only because they are irresponsible with money, etc.
There's absolutely no excuse for homeless people being violent or harassing people. But they're still human beings who deserve a real shot at redemption, and there are plenty of stories out there of homeless people who turned things around because someone actually gave an F about them and gave them the resources they needed.
Other Western democracies have more compassion for poor people. Not the United States of us. Instead, we demonize poor people while worshipping rich, vapid people like the Kardashians and Kanye West.
Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 28510 Location: La La Land
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:31 am Post subject:
C M B wrote:
kikanga wrote:
C M B wrote:
lakez34 wrote:
the homeless choose against taking the housing options available because they prefer being in their tent / RV / encampment for a myriad of reasons.
Reasons: the housing facilities prohibit shooting up/snorting/smoking/drinking
Probably more relevant is the stringent times people can enter and leave. Quite a hindrance to people who can’t get 9-5 jobs. When you are at the bottom a lot of times you have to work less desirable shifts (nights, graveyard) or you have to work multiple part time jobs.
The economic shock/working poor clients who want the housing don't tend to treat the house policies as a dealbreaker. They make it work, and they abide until they can gather themselves and move on. The ones who insist on living in the wholesale district tentropolis vehemently and invariably refuse any kind of regulation of their using (and trading) habits, and they use every drug except the ones that treat their psych disorders. It's a crap sandwich for everyone.
They make it work by sleeping in their car or relying on friends and family for support when necessary.
Options many tentropolis people don't have. In and out time at housing facilities is a major problem.
And here in L.A. it's dwarfed by the even bigger problem of a lack of beds.
CNN
Of course some don't stay at shelters because of their addictions. I just don't want you to think that's the only reason. There are sober homeless that shelters don't help.
And don't get me started on the systemic issues with how our country treats veterans and ex-convicts. Whether they use drugs or not.
homeless man stabs 3 including 9 year old boy inside DTLA target
Speaking of Herschel's werewolves, this dude came rampaging down the street like one and did a number on a gas station (hrm, Joe Biden did this!...)
This is the kind of lottery you don't want to win at the gas station. To his credit, he threw a bag of ICE at the guy at the pump, so he STILL!!!1 managed to be more humane than 999.
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