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| Fisher isn’t as good a coach as Ime is. However this explains why Matt Barnes backtracked his defense of him. That being said Doug Collins allegedly was fired by the Bulls for something similar and still got coaching gigs. He’s white though. Despite the griminess they were two wins from a title kind of impressive. I do think the Spurs would welcome him back… |
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The part I would be concerned about if I were going to hire him, is the obvious self-destructive, playing-with-fire element to his personality. He plays around. Fine, whatever. But why do it at work? Why do it with multiple employees who will eventually find out about one another? And after having been caught by your employer and warned, you up the ante by not only doing it again -- but with the owner's wife!
That's some serious emotional issues going on. Whether it's sex-addiction, addiction to danger, problem with impulse control, immaturity, whatever. Those are really not qualities that enhance getting hired again.
There are lots of women who he could have slept with outside of work and none of that would have gotten him suspended or fired. I'm pretty there is a very high percentage of NBA players/coaches getting action on the side and most manage not to turn it into a career threatening drama. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | The part I would be concerned about if I were going to hire him, is the obvious self-destructive, playing-with-fire element to his personality. He plays around. Fine, whatever. But why do it at work? Why do it with multiple employees who will eventually find out about one another? And after having been caught by your employer and warned, you up the ante by not only doing it again -- but with the owner's wife!
That's some serious emotional issues going on. Whether it's sex-addiction, addiction to danger, problem with impulse control, immaturity, whatever. Those are really not qualities that enhance getting hired again.
There are lots of women who he could have slept with outside of work and none of that would have gotten him suspended or fired. I'm pretty there is a very high percentage of NBA players/coaches getting action on the side and most manage not to turn it into a career threatening drama. |
I agree with you its a legit concern. Its possible with the public embarrassment this has caused he might change his ways as it will follow him everywhere he goes but if this doesn't do it nothing will tbh.
I do think he figured coworkers would be more discreet than if he hooked up with some random after all married women don't want to tell either... but there was also a dangerous element he got off on.
I just noticed with the Spurs he lasted a long time as an assistant coach and I don't recall hearing these type of stories either they weren't as messy or as an assistant he didn't get nearly as caught up.. he definitely has self destructive tendencies that's for sure. |
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He wouldn’t have gotten another coaching job immediately, he will be lucky to ever work in the NBA again.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: |
He wouldn’t have gotten another coaching job immediately, he will be lucky to ever work in the NBA again. |
Take it you never heard of the rumored reason Doug Collins was really fired from the Bulls..
That being said Doug is white he'll get more leeway than Ime a black man sleeping with the wife of a rich white man (in Boston no less). They will put him in his place. |
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https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/marcus-smart-sounds-off-on-celtics-silence-thats-why-you-have-your-lawyers/
| Quote: | Marcus Smart Sounds off on Celtics’ Silence: ‘That’s Why You Have Your Lawyers’
Even as the Celtics got down to basketball with their NBA preseason opener Sunday, they seem resigned to the fact that mystery will be part of the club — just as sure as if it were holding down a spot on the roster.
The oddity of Ime Udoka‘s absence was brought into the Garden when public address announcer Eddie Palladino introduced “the coach of the Boston Celtics, Joe Mazzulla.”
The team has announced that Udoka’s suspension is for the entire season and that it is based on multiple violations of team policies, with sources confirming they are related to improper behavior toward a team employee. Udoka has accepted the punishment.
In an effort to handle things correctly from a legal standpoint, the club has not divulged details of Udoka’s transgressions, going as far as to offer no further explanation to the players.
There are, again, legal reasons for keeping the guys in sneakers, if not in the dark, then in as poorly lit a room as necessary to protect both them and the club.
Marcus Smart: ‘We Don’t Know Anything’
But as much as the players are intent on focusing on their work, the Udoka mystery is decidedly NOT a non-issue.
“That’s the thing, we don’t know anything,” Marcus Smart told Heavy Sports. “So I don’t know what they can and can’t talk about or what the legal reasons are. That’s not my business, and I don’t want it to be. They made a decision. Whatever they feel, they have every right. That’s why you have your lawyers and things like that. So whatever they can say, they’ll say.
“But it’s just tough, because we don’t know what they can say because of that reason. So it’s tough on both sides. But we’re here to play basketball. We’ll let those guys figure it out, and we’ll go from there.”
It can be a little strange, however, when Matt Barnes seems to know more about the Udoka details than the people Ime coached to the NBA Finals four months ago.
The former NBA player at first was critical of the potential punishment when there was talk of a “consensual relationship.”
Barnes subsequently posted a video saying, “Last night, without knowing all the facts, I spoke on Ime Judoka’s defense and after finding out the facts after I spoke, I erased what I posted because this situation in Boston is deep, it’s messy. It’s 100 times uglier than any of us thought. Some things happened that I can’t condone, I can’t back, and it’s not my place to tell you what happened. If it ends up coming out, it ends up coming out.”
Does Matt Barnes Know More Than Celtics Players?
Smart shrugged and offered half a laugh when it was suggested it might be a little hard that Barnes knows more than he and his teammates.
“I mean, it’s just what it is,” he said. “It’s not weird to me, you know? Somebody that’s not close to the situation in terms of being on the team, I guess it’d probably be a little bit easier for him to get more information than us. So I’m not surprised. It’s how these things can go.
“So we just have to wait and let it run its course and let everyone do their job and wait until they can tell us what they can tell us.”
Barnes has since pressed on in an interview with Vlad TV, implying that Udoka could be out of work for longer than this season.
“Boston will figure out a way, but you know if everything comes out, he’ll be lucky if he coaches in the NBA again, to be honest with you,” Barnes said. “It’s pretty heavy, man. It’s just some stuff you can’t do. Not judging, to each his own. I’ve made plenty of mistakes, but if everything comes out it could get extra hot in the kitchen for him.”
There will undoubtedly be more drama as the Udoka story plays out, but on Sunday against the Hornets, the Celtics under their interim coach showed that, albeit in the preseason, ignorance of details was no obstacle to some blissful basketball. They ran and passed and romped to a 134-93 victory, perhaps delighting in the break from uneasy drama that welcomed them to training camp. |
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https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/stephen-a-smith-celtics-docked-ime-udoka-half-his-pay-01geq5rvgemq
| Quote: | Stephen A. Smith: Celtics Docked Ime Udoka Half His Pay
There is still not much information publicly available regarding the Boston Celtics' suspension of Ime Udoka for a full season. All we really know is that there was some sort of workplace relationship between Udoka and another member of the organization that violated organizational rules to the extent the Celtics felt they had to bring the hammer down. Udoka is being replaced by Joe Mazzulla for this year and Boston's brain trust told the media they'd figure out Udoka's future when his suspension is up next summer.
Stephen A. Smith has been very vocal in his belief that Udoka is getting railroaded, both in that there are "plenty of white folks" doing similar things with no repercussions and that the Celtics aired dirty laundry that the public had no business knowing. Smith appeared on The Breakfast Club today to reiterate those stances and revealed a new piece of information-- sources told Smith that the Celtics docked half of Udoka's pay to go along with his suspension.
This is new information. The Celtics said he would face a "significant" financial penalty but didn't give any specifics. Udoka's salary isn't public but Front Office Sports speculated he would make around $3 million per year as a first-time head coach, which seems about right. If that is the case then Udoka is out over a million dollars.
A significant financial penalty indeed. |
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Just as I suspected they were planning this for months.. I mean obviously Ime isn't returning to the Celtics but this reinforces the obvious.
https://www.si.com/nba/2022/10/19/celtics-owner-wyc-grousbeck-threatened-jazz-danny-ainge-stole-assistant-coach-joe-mazzulla
| Code: | Celtics Owner Says He Threatened Jazz Exec If He Stole Assistant Coach
Joel Embiid and Marcus Smart got into a scuffle in the third quarter of the 76ers-Celtics season opener. Embiid came down with a rebound and took Smart to the ground trying to untangle their arms. Embiid then slipped to the ground and a fight broke out. Marcus Smart explained the incident after the game to reporters, saying quote: 'Went for a rebound, basketball player, went for the steal. I stop play, my arm is still stuck in there and he tries to break it. The fact that I was the only one that
Steal one coach from Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck, all is well. Try to steal a second, and the gloves are off.
During an interview on The Greg Hill Show, Grousbeck talked about how Jazz CEO of basketball operations Danny Ainge hired former Celtics assistant Will Hardy to be the organization’s new coach and that he wouldn’t allow him to do it twice. Ainge, who stepped down as the Celtics president of basketball operations in 2021 to take the job in Utah, also apparently tried to recruit Boston interim coach Joe Mazzulla before Ime Udoka’s year-long suspension, and Grousbeck wasn’t having it.
“I prevented Danny from stealing him this summer, because I told Danny I’d fly to Utah and, like, personally strangle him if he did. You can quote that,” Grousbeck said. “You can take one person, an assistant, and make them a head coach, and they did with Will Hardy. And then they also wanted Mazzulla, and I was like, ‘That’s it, you’re crossing the line, and we’re not having it.’ And that was just when Joe was senior assistant with us, and now all of a sudden he’s interim head coach.”
Mazzulla made his debut as interim coach Tuesday night when the Celtics defeated the 76ers 126–117 and it’s fair to say Grousbeck isn’t prepared to lose him without a fight. |
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The Nets fired Steve Nash. Ime Udoka is on their watch list. It's reported Boston won't stop him from accepting a new position elsewhere. He'd be a great Nets hire.
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I figured it would be till next season not this quickly. This just reinforces what I thought: Ime banged the owner's wife she caught feelings which is what got him suspended and the owner wants him gone regardless.
That and they don't think much of him as a coach to not want nothing in return.
This does reinforce conspiracy theories of how the NBA is scripted though I mean you couldn't write anything better..
He's too hot to coach Boston anyways so I can deal with him being the Nets coach if it happens.... |
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| jodeke wrote: | | He'd be a great Nets hire. |
Why?
Do they have some good looking office staff women?
(lol, sorry....)
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This is .. interesting (although I got a chuckle out of him calling the Nets their biggest rivals but I digress)...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/marcus-smart-reacts-to-ime-udoka-to-the-nets-report/ar-AA13FBjj
| Quote: | Marcus Smart Reacts to Ime Udoka to the Nets Report
Boston Celtics guard Marcus Smart is not happy about Ime Udoka reportedly joining the Brooklyn Nets
While Brooklyn Nets general manager Sean Marks refuted the reports that the team had settled on Ime Udoka as their next head coach, the former Boston Celtics lead man is widely expected to replace Steve Nash. In a recent interview with Adam Himmelsbach of The Boston Globe, Celtics guard Marcus Smart shared his feelings on this potential development.
"[Ime's] name got slandered and slaughtered and it was ‘He’ll probably never coach again.' And a couple months later he’s possibly going to be the coach of one of our biggest rivals. It’s tough. It makes no sense," Smart said.
Smart admitted players on the team wish Udoka was still there, saying, "Obviously, we wish he was here. We have no control over that. It definitely sucks. I guess it was deemed that whatever happened was enough for him not to be the coach here, but I guess not enough for him [not] to be a coach anywhere else, obviously."
While nothing has been finalized yet, there will be some serious questions the Nets must answer if they do end up hiring Udoka. With reports of the partnership surfacing just minutes after Nash was fired, it is obvious the Nets were in contact with Udoka while Nash was still employed, and while Udoka will still suspended from the Celtics.
The entire situation is odd, and Marcus Smart joined his teammate Jaylen Brown as one of the latest Celtics to share thoughts on it all. |
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| unleasHell wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | He'd be a great Nets hire. |
Why?
Do they have some good looking office staff women?
(lol, sorry....) |
I don't think Steve had the locker room. I think Ime will get the respect needed to coach high profile athletes like Durant and Irving. I won't say 100 percent Irving. His Boston tenure indicates he can coach.
I think Steve got a raw deal. Durant and Irving played something like 13-16 games together. He never had a healthy squad. I don't think he was right for this job. I hope he gets another chance to show what he can do.
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He also used to be the assistant coach there and already has relationships with these players..
Neither the Nets or Ime are blind to one another. |
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Yeah that’s it or they caved to people not wanting the team to hire him. It’s fine they chose Vaughn but why consider Udoka to begin with? Sounds like a rebuild and Ime is going to be blackballed by the league for banging the owner’s wife. Why don’t the Celtics just fire him we know he’s never returning |
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They made Mazzulla the full time coach. I wonder what Ime's settlement was. I'm sure an NDA was involved.
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2023/02/16/celtics-remove-interim-tag-officially-make-joe-mazzulla-head-coach/
| Quote: | Celtics remove interim tag, officially make Joe Mazzulla head coach
Joe Mazzulla got thrust from the back bench into one of the highest-profile coaching jobs in the NBA. When the Celtics suspended Ime Udoka following an inappropriate relationship with a team staff member, Mazzulla was given the interim head coaching job. He did an impressive job not letting the Celtics’ locker room lose focus despite the massive distraction, and Boston heads into the All-Star break with the best record in the NBA (and he will be coaching in the All-Star Game).
Thursday the Celtics removed the interim tag from Mazzulla’s title.
“As he has shown, Joe is a very talented coach and leader,” Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens said in a statement. “He has a unique ability to galvanize a room around a mission. We are thankful for the work he has done to help get us to this point, and excited that he has agreed to lead us into the future.”
The Celtics also gave Mazzulla a contract extension along with the new title.
It’s unclear what this means for Udoka. While it was always highly unlikely he would return to coach the Celtics, he is still under contract and in limbo now. The Brooklyn Nets strongly considered hiring Udoka after firing Steve Nash but backed off that idea because of the nature of his suspension from the Celtics. |
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