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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2023 12:13 pm    Post subject:

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When the Warriors made those 5 straight Finals, Curry's teammates made 7 All NBA teams (not counting himself), also 7 All Defensive team selectios in the same timespan. Harden had 0 All NBA teammates in the same time span, and one (Beverley in 2017) All Defensive teammate. Doncic is yet to have a teammate make a all NBA team or a all Defensive team.

Winning is a team game and as great as Curry is, he had/has a stacked team around him. More so than Harden had or Doncic has now


Yes, that's an important point. When we say, Player A never beat Player B, we really mean Player's A team never beat Player B's teams.

You can be the best player on the court, and your team can still lose to a superior team despite your excellent play.

And without question, Curry has played on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. In fact, one of the knocks against Curry is that while he's won 4 rings, he's only won a single Finals MVP. That speaks to the high level of teammates he's had.

That doesn't negate Curry's accomplishments. But it's silly to say that Curry is better than Doncic simply because the Warriors were better than the Mavericks, as if Doncic and Curry are 100% responsible for their team's success or failure.


Well, this thread is about Magic and Curry. If Curry has a stacked team around him, so did Magic.

How many HOF teammates did Magic have? Kareem, Wilkes, Worthy, McAdoo, Divac, and strictly speaking, Spencer Hayward, on the 1980 championship team.

So, we better ignore teammates and compare the two individuals by their team accomplishments, like Magic won 5 rings vs Curry's 4, or Curry is 23-4 (+19) in playoff series but Magic was 32-8 (+24).
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Well, this thread is about Magic and Curry. If Curry has a stacked team around him, so did Magic.

How many HOF teammates did Magic have? Kareem, Wilkes, Worthy, McAdoo, Divac, and strictly speaking, Spencer Hayward, on the 1980 championship team.

So, we better ignore teammates and compare the two individuals by their team accomplishments, like Magic won 5 rings vs Curry's 4, or Curry is 23-4 (+19) in playoff series but Magic was 32-8 (+24).


There are no end of way to compare players, all of which have pros and cons.

What you're proposing is fine, but it's not a slam dunk. You can slice the same data you're using in other ways -- Curry won 85% of his playoff series, while Magic won 80%. Magic was surrounded by X Hall of Famers, while Curry only had Z Hall of Famers around him. And on and on and on.

But that's the point of this -- having fun with the arguments and counterarguments.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2023 12:48 pm    Post subject:

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Well, this thread is about Magic and Curry. If Curry has a stacked team around him, so did Magic.

How many HOF teammates did Magic have? Kareem, Wilkes, Worthy, McAdoo, Divac, and strictly speaking, Spencer Hayward, on the 1980 championship team.

So, we better ignore teammates and compare the two individuals by their team accomplishments, like Magic won 5 rings vs Curry's 4, or Curry is 23-4 (+19) in playoff series but Magic was 32-8 (+24).


There are no end of way to compare players, all of which have pros and cons.

What you're proposing is fine, but it's not a slam dunk. You can slice the same data you're using in other ways -- Curry won 85% of his playoff series, while Magic won 80%. Magic was surrounded by X Hall of Famers, while Curry only had Z Hall of Famers around him. And on and on and on.

But that's the point of this -- having fun with the arguments and counterarguments.


Curry lost only 15% of his series because he missed the playoffs 5 times (2010, 2011, 2012, 2020, 2021), while Magic never missed the playoffs.

We can count the regular season as one big series and missing the playoffs is counted as an "elimination".

So Magic advanced 32 times and got eliminated 8 times (32-8, +24, .800)
Curry advanced 19 times and got eliminated 9 times (23-9, +14, .719).

No matter what, we can't count "missing playoffs" as Curry's credits, can we?
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2023 1:04 pm    Post subject:

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Curry lost only 15% of his series because he missed the playoffs 5 times (2010, 2011, 2012, 2020, 2021), while Magic never missed the playoffs.

We can count the regular season as one big series and missing the playoffs is counted as an "elimination".

So Magic advanced 32 times and got eliminated 8 times (32-8, +24, .800)
Curry advanced 19 times and got eliminated 9 times (23-9, +14, .719).

No matter what, we can't count "missing playoffs" as Curry's credits, can we?


You can really chase your tail with these arguments if you want to. Magic got drafted onto a team with KAJ, Wilkes, Nixon, and Cooper. Curry got drafted onto a team with Monta Ellis, Corey Maggette, and Anthony Morrow. Are we really going to count the injury wipeout seasons against Curry?

Magic wins this argument (if you even consider it to be an argument) for most if not all of us. But there really aren't any trump cards in these discussions.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2023 2:01 pm    Post subject:

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When the Warriors made those 5 straight Finals, Curry's teammates made 7 All NBA teams (not counting himself), also 7 All Defensive team selectios in the same timespan. Harden had 0 All NBA teammates in the same time span, and one (Beverley in 2017) All Defensive teammate. Doncic is yet to have a teammate make a all NBA team or a all Defensive team.

Winning is a team game and as great as Curry is, he had/has a stacked team around him. More so than Harden had or Doncic has now


Yes, that's an important point. When we say, Player A never beat Player B, we really mean Player's A team never beat Player B's teams.

You can be the best player on the court, and your team can still lose to a superior team despite your excellent play.

And without question, Curry has played on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. In fact, one of the knocks against Curry is that while he's won 4 rings, he's only won a single Finals MVP. That speaks to the high level of teammates he's had.

That doesn't negate Curry's accomplishments. But it's silly to say that Curry is better than Doncic simply because the Warriors were better than the Mavericks, as if Doncic and Curry are 100% responsible for their team's success or failure.


Well, this thread is about Magic and Curry. If Curry has a stacked team around him, so did Magic.

How many HOF teammates did Magic have? Kareem, Wilkes, Worthy, McAdoo, Divac, and strictly speaking, Spencer Hayward, on the 1980 championship team.

So, we better ignore teammates and compare the two individuals by their team accomplishments, like Magic won 5 rings vs Curry's 4, or Curry is 23-4 (+19) in playoff series but Magic was 32-8 (+24).


Counting HOFers isn't the right approach, since not all HOFers are equal. For example, Kareem had 4 HOF teammates in 1978, that was before Magic was in the league. So how did they do? Lakers last season had 5 future HOFers, and missed the playoffs.

Did you consider that they all weren't at the same stages in their careers? Did you consider the number of HOFers the opponents had? Curry is still playing and so are his teammates. Who's to say he won't retire and have had more HOF teammates? He's already getting there as he is now
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2023 2:36 pm    Post subject:

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Well, this thread is about Magic and Curry. If Curry has a stacked team around him, so did Magic.

How many HOF teammates did Magic have? Kareem, Wilkes, Worthy, McAdoo, Divac, and strictly speaking, Spencer Hayward, on the 1980 championship team.

So, we better ignore teammates and compare the two individuals by their team accomplishments, like Magic won 5 rings vs Curry's 4, or Curry is 23-4 (+19) in playoff series but Magic was 32-8 (+24).


There are no end of way to compare players, all of which have pros and cons.

What you're proposing is fine, but it's not a slam dunk. You can slice the same data you're using in other ways -- Curry won 85% of his playoff series, while Magic won 80%. Magic was surrounded by X Hall of Famers, while Curry only had Z Hall of Famers around him. And on and on and on.

But that's the point of this -- having fun with the arguments and counterarguments.


Curry lost only 15% of his series because he missed the playoffs 5 times (2010, 2011, 2012, 2020, 2021), while Magic never missed the playoffs.

We can count the regular season as one big series and missing the playoffs is counted as an "elimination".

So Magic advanced 32 times and got eliminated 8 times (32-8, +24, .800)
Curry advanced 19 times and got eliminated 9 times (23-9, +14, .719).

No matter what, we can't count "missing playoffs" as Curry's credits, can we?


This goes back to your original point. First, you wanted to not take teammates into consideration because both Magic and Curry were on stacked teams. Now, you want to give Curry demerits because he missed the playoffs in years when his team was anything but stacked.

It just shows when you try to make the analyst really simple you always leave gaping holes for the counterarguments. Cause when you are dealing with guys at this level and these accomplishments there are always counterarguments.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2023 4:44 pm    Post subject:

I've never understood these type of arguments tbh. Magic was a dynamic, traditional, play-making PG. Curry and a lot of these modern "point-guards" (Dame, Kyrie, etc.) are more or less short shooting guards. Yeah, they can play-make, but their number 1 job is to score. Just because they technically play the same position doesn't mean that they do the same thing as a traditional point guard. Two completely different play styles.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2023 4:55 pm    Post subject:

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Curry lost only 15% of his series because he missed the playoffs 5 times (2010, 2011, 2012, 2020, 2021), while Magic never missed the playoffs.

We can count the regular season as one big series and missing the playoffs is counted as an "elimination".

So Magic advanced 32 times and got eliminated 8 times (32-8, +24, .800)
Curry advanced 19 times and got eliminated 9 times (23-9, +14, .719).

No matter what, we can't count "missing playoffs" as Curry's credits, can we?


You can really chase your tail with these arguments if you want to. Magic got drafted onto a team with KAJ, Wilkes, Nixon, and Cooper. Curry got drafted onto a team with Monta Ellis, Corey Maggette, and Anthony Morrow. Are we really going to count the injury wipeout seasons against Curry?

Magic wins this argument (if you even consider it to be an argument) for most if not all of us. But there really aren't any trump cards in these discussions.


Yes, injury is part of the game.

I was responding to a message that "Curry has played on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history... That speaks to the high level of teammates he's had." in Curry vs Doncic.

In other words, that logic also applies in Curry vs Magic ...
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Well, this thread is about Magic and Curry. If Curry has a stacked team around him, so did Magic.

How many HOF teammates did Magic have? Kareem, Wilkes, Worthy, McAdoo, Divac, and strictly speaking, Spencer Hayward, on the 1980 championship team.

So, we better ignore teammates and compare the two individuals by their team accomplishments, like Magic won 5 rings vs Curry's 4, or Curry is 23-4 (+19) in playoff series but Magic was 32-8 (+24).


There are no end of way to compare players, all of which have pros and cons.

What you're proposing is fine, but it's not a slam dunk. You can slice the same data you're using in other ways -- Curry won 85% of his playoff series, while Magic won 80%. Magic was surrounded by X Hall of Famers, while Curry only had Z Hall of Famers around him. And on and on and on.

But that's the point of this -- having fun with the arguments and counterarguments.


Curry lost only 15% of his series because he missed the playoffs 5 times (2010, 2011, 2012, 2020, 2021), while Magic never missed the playoffs.

We can count the regular season as one big series and missing the playoffs is counted as an "elimination".

So Magic advanced 32 times and got eliminated 8 times (32-8, +24, .800)
Curry advanced 19 times and got eliminated 9 times (23-9, +14, .719).

No matter what, we can't count "missing playoffs" as Curry's credits, can we?


This goes back to your original point. First, you wanted to not take teammates into consideration because both Magic and Curry were on stacked teams. Now, you want to give Curry demerits because he missed the playoffs in years when his team was anything but stacked.

It just shows when you try to make the analyst really simple you always leave gaping holes for the counterarguments. Cause when you are dealing with guys at this level and these accomplishments there are always counterarguments.


My original point was responding to your post, that it's not fair to compare Curry vs Doncic because Curry has a stacked team while Doncic did not.

We have no such concerns in Curry vs Magic.

Magic also had seasons that his team lost in the finals due to injuries, i.e. 1983, 1989, 1991, or he might have had 8 rings. Are we counting injuries now? your so-called "gaping holes"?
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My original point was responding to your post, that it's not fair to compare Curry vs Doncic because Curry has a stacked team while Doncic did not.


I don't recall ever saying that, so you might be thinking of someone else.

I think it's fair to compare any players. But if I were comparing Curry and Doncic, I would take the quality of their teammates into account in the comparison.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2023 10:36 pm    Post subject:

Now that Curry got eliminated from the playoffs after scoring 32 points on 28 shots, can this thread please die a quiet death

Curry isn't Magic. Curry isn't Lebron either

let it die
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2023 10:40 pm    Post subject:

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Now that Curry got eliminated from the playoffs after scoring 32 points on 28 shots, can this thread please die a quiet death

Curry isn't Magic. Curry isn't Lebron either

let it die

He had to play hero ball because his team had no answers for AD lurking in the paint. It had to be a Steph PnR with whoever AD is guarding. Over and over. It's like criticizing LeBron for like 48% TS% in the 2015 Finals. At a certain point that poor performance is the consequence of an entire defense being oriented around you.

I don't really care about the Curry vs. arguments but I have nothing but respect for him after this last series.
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Magic makes others better.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2023 10:54 pm    Post subject:

Lock this (bleep) Bruhs
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 12:37 am    Post subject:

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P.K. wrote:
Now that Curry got eliminated from the playoffs after scoring 32 points on 28 shots, can this thread please die a quiet death

Curry isn't Magic. Curry isn't Lebron either

let it die

He had to play hero ball because his team had no answers for AD lurking in the paint. It had to be a Steph PnR with whoever AD is guarding. Over and over. It's like criticizing LeBron for like 48% TS% in the 2015 Finals. At a certain point that poor performance is the consequence of an entire defense being oriented around you.

I don't really care about the Curry vs. arguments but I have nothing but respect for him after this last series.


Steph had to play hero ball because his teammates didn't come to play. His 2nd best player Klay Thompson put on a "Game 6 Klay" performance of 9 points, Jordan Poole was a non-factor the entire playoffs and Divencenzo was their 2nd best player. Curry showed this series to defend the NBA Title, his teammates did not.

People using this series as something to use to target Curry are looking to do so because they got insecure that Curry was being spoken of in the same breath as Magic. It's the same reason they wanted him to fail when he was mentioned in the same breath as Kobe. Both of which he deserves and has earned.
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P.K. wrote:
Now that Curry got eliminated from the playoffs after scoring 32 points on 28 shots, can this thread please die a quiet death

Curry isn't Magic. Curry isn't Lebron either

let it die

He had to play hero ball because his team had no answers for AD lurking in the paint. It had to be a Steph PnR with whoever AD is guarding. Over and over. It's like criticizing LeBron for like 48% TS% in the 2015 Finals. At a certain point that poor performance is the consequence of an entire defense being oriented around you.

I don't really care about the Curry vs. arguments but I have nothing but respect for him after this last series.


Steph had to play hero ball because his teammates didn't come to play. His 2nd best player Klay Thompson put on a "Game 6 Klay" performance of 9 points, Jordan Poole was a non-factor the entire playoffs and Divencenzo was their 2nd best player. Curry showed this series to defend the NBA Title, his teammates did not.

People using this series as something to use to target Curry are looking to do so because they got insecure that Curry was being spoken of in the same breath as Magic. It's the same reason they wanted him to fail when he was mentioned in the same breath as Kobe. Both of which he deserves and has earned.

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And so could Magic when his lack of lateral movement defensively got exploited. He was good at getting steals, but as a lateral defender he was not. Which is why he had insurance and better defenders surrounding him.

Also we Triple Team Curry and throw AD at him even if it gives up a rebound because we know he can make all those kinds of clutch shots and has hundreds of times in the past.









The guy that didn't show up this series was Klay Thompson, not Steph Curry.
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My original point was responding to your post, that it's not fair to compare Curry vs Doncic because Curry has a stacked team while Doncic did not.


I don't recall ever saying that, so you might be thinking of someone else.

I think it's fair to compare any players. But if I were comparing Curry and Doncic, I would take the quality of their teammates into account in the comparison.


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And without question, Curry has played on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. In fact, one of the knocks against Curry is that while he's won 4 rings, he's only won a single Finals MVP. That speaks to the high level of teammates he's had.

That doesn't negate Curry's accomplishments. But it's silly to say that Curry is better than Doncic simply because the Warriors were better than the Mavericks, ...


As I said, since the Showtime Lakers and the gunslinging Warriors are both stacked teams, we can leave out the teammates...
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 3:25 am    Post subject:

^^^^

Suit yourself, but I'll give you a comment from the peanut gallery: When you start stretching to find inconsistencies in another poster's comments, it's probably time to move on from the argument. This is a social media trap.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 3:36 am    Post subject:

Steph can easily be on the 2nd team of the NBA all-time team. Is he a top 10 player? the center position is stacked with legends: Kareem, Russell, Mikan, Wilt, Shaq, and to a lesser extent, Hakeem and Moses, so a PG on the all-time 2nd team may not be greater than the 3rd/4th greatest center (Wilt, Russell or Mikan) in NBA history.

My all-time team first team. Granted, it's my subjective opinion:
1 - Magic
2 - MJ
3 - LBJ
4 - Duncan
5 - Kareem

2nd team:
1 - Steph
2 - Kobe
3 - Bird
4 - Mailman
5 - Shaq

Since the turn of the millenium, I have seen some new players replacing the old timers on my all-time teams.

LBJ replaced Bird on the 1st team.
Steph replaced the Big O on the 2nd team.
Duncan replaced the Mailman on the 1st team.
Kobe replaced West on the 2nd team.
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Lock the thread, boys. Curry might’ve proved that he could win a championship without KD, but he CAN’T beat LeBron without KD when LeBron’s 2nd/3rd options are healthy.

In the most crucial game of the series Curry got targeted and hunted down on defense by Lonnie freakin Walker.

Curry is supremely liked by the media so he gets extra brownie points for his physical stature and his accomplishments overhyped (while his failures get swept under the rug). He ain’t on they Kobe/Magic level.

Imagine if Kobe/Magic…

1) Blew a 3-1 Finals lead in a season where his team won a record 73 games and he was voted the first and only unanimous MVP.

2) Missed the playoffs twice in a row in his prime when he was forced to carry mediocre squads.

3) Had literally ZERO playoff game-winners to his name.

4) Had another Top 3 player in the league join his already stacked squad and demoted him in the team’s hierarchy (Curry gets praised for being a leader and stepping aside, while Kobe gets his rings diminished and labeled as a ‘coattail rider’).

5) Had no All-Defense selections and was regularly targeted on defense by inferior players as an opposing team’s strategy.

6) Lost a Finals MVP to a bench player because of how badly a scrub (Dellavadova) made him look on the biggest stage.

7) Had two of the worst turnovers in playoff history where he just threw the ball out of bounds in the most crucial moment of the game.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 3:42 am    Post subject:

Batguano with the closing arguments lol, mic drop

Magic > Steph
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2023 4:23 am    Post subject:

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When the Warriors made those 5 straight Finals, Curry's teammates made 7 All NBA teams (not counting himself), also 7 All Defensive team selectios in the same timespan. Harden had 0 All NBA teammates in the same time span, and one (Beverley in 2017) All Defensive teammate. Doncic is yet to have a teammate make a all NBA team or a all Defensive team.

Winning is a team game and as great as Curry is, he had/has a stacked team around him. More so than Harden had or Doncic has now


Yes, that's an important point. When we say, Player A never beat Player B, we really mean Player's A team never beat Player B's teams.

You can be the best player on the court, and your team can still lose to a superior team despite your excellent play.

And without question, Curry has played on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. In fact, one of the knocks against Curry is that while he's won 4 rings, he's only won a single Finals MVP. That speaks to the high level of teammates he's had.

That doesn't negate Curry's accomplishments. But it's silly to say that Curry is better than Doncic simply because the Warriors were better than the Mavericks, as if Doncic and Curry are 100% responsible for their team's success or failure.


Well, this thread is about Magic and Curry. If Curry has a stacked team around him, so did Magic.

How many HOF teammates did Magic have? Kareem, Wilkes, Worthy, McAdoo, Divac, and strictly speaking, Spencer Hayward, on the 1980 championship team.

So, we better ignore teammates and compare the two individuals by their team accomplishments, like Magic won 5 rings vs Curry's 4, or Curry is 23-4 (+19) in playoff series but Magic was 32-8 (+24).


Counting HOFers isn't the right approach, since not all HOFers are equal. For example, Kareem had 4 HOF teammates in 1978, that was before Magic was in the league. So how did they do? Lakers last season had 5 future HOFers, and missed the playoffs.

Did you consider that they all weren't at the same stages in their careers? Did you consider the number of HOFers the opponents had? Curry is still playing and so are his teammates. Who's to say he won't retire and have had more HOF teammates? He's already getting there as he is now


Fair enough, McAdoo of the Lakers wasn't a HOF caliber player. His role from the bench was no match to the mid-70s MVP McAdoo.

However, the showtime Lakers were still stacked, if we carefully filter out the level of play of the HOFers.

Kareem - he's still an all-NBA first team up to 1985-86, and was still close to 20 ppg in the 1987 playoffs.
Wilkes - he's still at a prime level until 1983-84. His play deteriorated after suffering from the gastrointestinal virus near the end of the regular season, thus becoming a non-factor in the playoffs. So he's a significant contributor until the 1983 playoffs.
Worthy - he's a significant contributor from the 1984 playoffs until Magic retired.

So in other words, the help Magic got:

1980 - 1983 Kareem, Wilkes
1984 - 1987 Kareem, Worthy
1988 - 1991 Worthy
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My all-time team first team. Granted, it's my subjective opinion:
1 - Magic
2 - MJ
3 - LBJ
4 - Duncan
5 - Kareem

2nd team:
1 - Steph
2 - Kobe
3 - Bird
4 - Mailman
5 - Shaq


That's reasonable. The tricky part is ranking Shaq over Wilt and Russell. That gets into the era issue, which is the proverbial can of worms. I'd have no problem with someone who put either of them on the second team.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 7:10 am    Post subject:

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My original point was responding to your post, that it's not fair to compare Curry vs Doncic because Curry has a stacked team while Doncic did not.


I don't recall ever saying that, so you might be thinking of someone else.

I think it's fair to compare any players. But if I were comparing Curry and Doncic, I would take the quality of their teammates into account in the comparison.


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Your post on [Mon May 01, 2023 8:29 pm]

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And without question, Curry has played on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. In fact, one of the knocks against Curry is that while he's won 4 rings, he's only won a single Finals MVP. That speaks to the high level of teammates he's had.

That doesn't negate Curry's accomplishments. But it's silly to say that Curry is better than Doncic simply because the Warriors were better than the Mavericks, ...


As I said, since the Showtime Lakers and the gunslinging Warriors are both stacked teams, we can leave out the teammates...


Yeah bringing up teammates isn't the way to go. Magic played with the arguable GOAT whom also happened to be The Greatest Center of all time.

Curry's never had "the greatest (position) of all time".

Magic having Kareem would have been like LeBron having Kobe.

And nobody can pretend that Curry's team that he won a Championship with last season was "Stacked" anyway.

No one's going to argue that the Showtime Lakers were better than the 2015 Warriors and the 2022 Warriors.

Heck people on this very forum were arguing that the Shaq/Kobe Lakers were a better team than the Steph/KD Warriors. So if the 2001 Lakers, and the Showtime Lakers were better teams than Curry ever had, then the argument on having "stacked" teams is a non-factor.

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Lock the thread, boys. Curry might’ve proved that he could win a championship without KD, but he CAN’T beat LeBron without KD when LeBron’s 2nd/3rd options are healthy.


This is the first time LeBron's ever beaten a healthy Warriors team in the Playoffs btw. But yes, if Klay Thompson(or whomever the 2nd best player on the team is) shoots 20% on wide open threes and their third Wiggins is injured and didn't play 90% of the season till the Playoffs started. Then yes, Steph can't single handedly overcome those odds

Here's the caveat. Neither would LeBron, Jordan, Kobe or Magic.


Fortunately for us, we are the Strength in Numbers team this season, where a different person can step up every night and drop 20+ whether off the bench or starting, regardless of what LeBron and AD are also doing.

This is our benefit. It's why D'Angelo Russell can save our season vs Memphis. It's why Lonnie Walker IV can save us from having to go to a Game 7 at Golden State. It's why we got Rui Hachimura, Austin Reaves, D'Angelo Russell, Lonnie Walker IV, etc. All those guys are capable of being 20+ guys on any given night, and then we've got AD and LBJ whom are gonna give us what they give us. The Lakers got two 18-20+ ppg scorers in the starting lineup not named Anthony Davis or LeBron James. The Lakers additionally got two 15-20+ ppg scorers on the bench on top of that. This is why while LeBron missed the majority of the 2nd half of the season the Lakers were able to go on a run that enabled us to make the play-in. That should have told every pundit how dangerous we are.

Whereas the Warriors? They go by wherever Steph goes. If Steph had missed the 2nd half of the season, they'd never have made the playoffs. Curry had to average 30/5/6 just to carry that Warriors team to a 10-8 record to make the play-in over the last 18 games. Whereas The Lakers in the last 18 games of the season went 13-5, and 10 of those were without LeBron. 7-3 without LeBron, 6-2 with him). That should have put everyone on notice, but the media underestimated us still.


And like I said, I wanted the Warriors over the Kings. Not just because as a Lakers fan you NEVER root for the Kings, but because we're a bad matchup for the Warriors this season. Not because of LeBron James, but because of Anthony Davis. They have no answer for him and their entire gameplan was based around trying to stop him. They couldn't Nor did they have an answer for our depth.

When Darvin Ham swapped out Vanderbilt in the starting lineup for the last game the Warriors had no answer. With Vanderbilt they could cheat off defending him. and try to stop others, which allowed us to go off singularly, DLO could go off because they had to single cover, Reaves could go off because they had to single cover. Because if they don't AD and LeBron are in a mismatch.

Brilliant coaching and a team with much more depth.

I don't think people understood how scary this Lakers team would be with all the depth they had AS WELL as a top 3 defense post all-star break despite LeBron not playing a majority of that.

Now they know. Now the Nuggets claim they want us so they can beat us. Well Memphis said the same thing. So we'll see what happens now.
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