Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 4298 Location: Lake Nacimiento
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 7:37 pm Post subject:
Japago wrote:
tox wrote:
Japago wrote:
Another thing to keep in mind with D'Lo is that this was far and away his best season. Typically, he's a low 40s overall FG% and a mid 30s 3pt shooter. Last year, he was .411 and .340 on FG and 3pt respectively. This season does look like an outlier year if you go through his seasonal box score averages.
Even on a friendly salary, he might be hard to trade on 41 and 34. He's streaky and that can be scary if there's any idea of trading him later on.
I want to improve from D'Angelo regardless of whether it's Kyrie or not. I also agree that the Lakers need to have depth. So, go down the list of guys until you can find that balance. You don't let him walk for nothing, but I also don't think the Lakers should wait to upgrade if they can do so right away. His value may never be higher.
Nah, his value couldn't be any lower lol. The proof is in the pudding; virtually everyone wants to move him or sign him for cheap. If he has a strong regular season (very much plausible), like say 19/6 on 62% TS% (this assumes higher usage due to LBJ/ AD being out intermittently), then his trade value would be higher since people would again be wondering if he's turned a corner. And LG will again be in a civil war about what he's worth
He just had the strongest regular season he's ever had, by a long shot according to the numbers. He's never shot the ball better overall and from 3. He had a .469(and .484 with LAL) overall FG% when he never shot over .434, and .396(.414 with LAL) from 3 when he never shot over .387.
This is probably as good as it gets with him, and he still didn't show up at the end.
Most teams need help to get to where the Lakers were, so maybe they overlook the DEN series and are happy to have D'Lo improve them. But, the Lakers need more to get over the hump.
Pretty sure the regular Season is nearly irrelevant for the FO.. Most will probably agree he'd be a rock solid piece to keep us afloat in the regular Season, that's not even really the debate i'm having with him at least though.
He was all over the place the first two rounds in the Playoffs but had a couple great stretches that were paramount to wins so the very clearly inconsistent games in those Series were mostly forgotten. He also could still playmake decently at this time.
When we needed him most though he went from the 3rd option to literally being benched in the most important game of the year which was the first time that happened all Playoffs.. The entire team was clearly losing confidence in him as the Series went on too and it wasn't just simply shooting percentages which were pathetic for sure but it was how he completely forgot how to be an impactful player the majority of the time.. He was our biggest defensive liability while not being able to make nearly anything and he also wasn't even playmaking nearly as well as we all know he is capable of. It got to the point where I felt more confident in Dennis playmaking and that is not a compliment in the slightest to either player. On top of all that once he was called out by the Nuggets for his horrific play he still looked like he was in cruise control without a care in the world and hardly even attempting closeouts half the time while Denver just kept draining the 3's.
I was probably one of his biggest supporters but unless he comes back for a GREAT deal I don't really even care if he comes back honestly. If you consistently fail on the biggest stages you don't belong on the Lakers imo.. This has plagued him from the previous times he was in the Playoffs as well so it's not like he was just in some really rough slump, it's likely just who he is as a player especially once the opposing team gets aggressive with him.
It's a shame because his spirit and love to be a Laker was so contagious for both fans and his teammates but his awful play was the key reason we lost the Series imo.
Another thing to keep in mind with D'Lo is that this was far and away his best season. Typically, he's a low 40s overall FG% and a mid 30s 3pt shooter. Last year, he was .411 and .340 on FG and 3pt respectively. This season does look like an outlier year if you go through his seasonal box score averages.
Even on a friendly salary, he might be hard to trade on 41 and 34. He's streaky and that can be scary if there's any idea of trading him later on.
I want to improve from D'Angelo regardless of whether it's Kyrie or not. I also agree that the Lakers need to have depth. So, go down the list of guys until you can find that balance. You don't let him walk for nothing, but I also don't think the Lakers should wait to upgrade if they can do so right away. His value may never be higher.
Nah, his value couldn't be any lower lol. The proof is in the pudding; virtually everyone wants to move him or sign him for cheap. If he has a strong regular season (very much plausible), like say 19/6 on 62% TS% (this assumes higher usage due to LBJ/ AD being out intermittently), then his trade value would be higher since people would again be wondering if he's turned a corner. And LG will again be in a civil war about what he's worth
He just had the strongest regular season he's ever had, by a long shot according to the numbers. He's never shot the ball better overall and from 3. He had a .469(and .484 with LAL) overall FG% when he never shot over .434, and .396(.414 with LAL) from 3 when he never shot over .387.
This is probably as good as it gets with him, and he still didn't show up at the end.
Most teams need help to get to where the Lakers were, so maybe they overlook the DEN series and are happy to have D'Lo improve them. But, the Lakers need more to get over the hump.
Pretty sure the regular Season is nearly irrelevant for the FO.. Most will probably agree he'd be a rock solid piece to keep us afloat in the regular Season, that's not even really the debate i'm having with him at least though.
He was all over the place the first two rounds in the Playoffs but had a couple great stretches that were paramount to wins so the very clearly inconsistent games in those Series were mostly forgotten. He also could still playmake decently at this time.
When we needed him most though he went from the 3rd option to literally being benched in the most important game of the year which was the first time that happened all Playoffs.. The entire team was clearly losing confidence in him as the Series went on too and it wasn't just simply shooting percentages which were pathetic for sure but it was how he completely forgot how to be an impactful player the majority of the time.. He was our biggest defensive liability while not being able to make nearly anything and he also wasn't even playmaking nearly as well as we all know he is capable of. It got to the point where I felt more confident in Dennis playmaking and that is not a compliment in the slightest to either player. On top of all that once he was called out by the Nuggets for his horrific play he still looked like he was in cruise control without a care in the world and hardly even attempting closeouts half the time while Denver just kept draining the 3's.
I was probably one of his biggest supporters but unless he comes back for a GREAT deal I don't really even care if he comes back honestly. If you consistently fail on the biggest stages you don't belong on the Lakers imo.. This has plagued him from the previous times he was in the Playoffs as well so it's not like he was just in some really rough slump, it's likely just who he is as a player especially once the opposing team gets aggressive with him.
It's a shame because his spirit and love to be a Laker was so contagious for both fans and his teammates but his awful play was the key reason we lost the Series imo.
So sad…was really rooting for Dlo as he looked like THAT GUY we needed on several occasions. In the Memphis game that got away in an instant when we went from leading to down 7 he hit 3 straight 3s to give us back the lead. Then he started that GSW game red hot and they never looked back. I don’t understand how he disappeared but failing at the most important time is a deal killer, especially since it seems to be a thing with him. I’d bring him back and commit to him if there isn’t a decisively better option but there should be a focus to upgrade the starting PG spot. _________________ Just win baby!!!
Another thing to keep in mind with D'Lo is that this was far and away his best season. Typically, he's a low 40s overall FG% and a mid 30s 3pt shooter. Last year, he was .411 and .340 on FG and 3pt respectively. This season does look like an outlier year if you go through his seasonal box score averages.
Even on a friendly salary, he might be hard to trade on 41 and 34. He's streaky and that can be scary if there's any idea of trading him later on.
I want to improve from D'Angelo regardless of whether it's Kyrie or not. I also agree that the Lakers need to have depth. So, go down the list of guys until you can find that balance. You don't let him walk for nothing, but I also don't think the Lakers should wait to upgrade if they can do so right away. His value may never be higher.
Nah, his value couldn't be any lower lol. The proof is in the pudding; virtually everyone wants to move him or sign him for cheap. If he has a strong regular season (very much plausible), like say 19/6 on 62% TS% (this assumes higher usage due to LBJ/ AD being out intermittently), then his trade value would be higher since people would again be wondering if he's turned a corner. And LG will again be in a civil war about what he's worth
He just had the strongest regular season he's ever had, by a long shot according to the numbers. He's never shot the ball better overall and from 3. He had a .469(and .484 with LAL) overall FG% when he never shot over .434, and .396(.414 with LAL) from 3 when he never shot over .387.
This is probably as good as it gets with him, and he still didn't show up at the end.
Most teams need help to get to where the Lakers were, so maybe they overlook the DEN series and are happy to have D'Lo improve them. But, the Lakers need more to get over the hump.
Pretty sure the regular Season is nearly irrelevant for the FO.. Most will probably agree he'd be a rock solid piece to keep us afloat in the regular Season, that's not even really the debate i'm having with him at least though.
He was all over the place the first two rounds in the Playoffs but had a couple great stretches that were paramount to wins so the very clearly inconsistent games in those Series were mostly forgotten. He also could still playmake decently at this time.
When we needed him most though he went from the 3rd option to literally being benched in the most important game of the year which was the first time that happened all Playoffs.. The entire team was clearly losing confidence in him as the Series went on too and it wasn't just simply shooting percentages which were pathetic for sure but it was how he completely forgot how to be an impactful player the majority of the time.. He was our biggest defensive liability while not being able to make nearly anything and he also wasn't even playmaking nearly as well as we all know he is capable of. It got to the point where I felt more confident in Dennis playmaking and that is not a compliment in the slightest to either player. On top of all that once he was called out by the Nuggets for his horrific play he still looked like he was in cruise control without a care in the world and hardly even attempting closeouts half the time while Denver just kept draining the 3's.
I was probably one of his biggest supporters but unless he comes back for a GREAT deal I don't really even care if he comes back honestly. If you consistently fail on the biggest stages you don't belong on the Lakers imo.. This has plagued him from the previous times he was in the Playoffs as well so it's not like he was just in some really rough slump, it's likely just who he is as a player especially once the opposing team gets aggressive with him.
It's a shame because his spirit and love to be a Laker was so contagious for both fans and his teammates but his awful play was the key reason we lost the Series imo.
So sad…was really rooting for Dlo as he looked like THAT GUY we needed on several occasions. In the Memphis game that got away in an instant when we went from leading to down 7 he hit 3 straight 3s to give us back the lead. Then he started that GSW game red hot and they never looked back. I don’t understand how he disappeared but failing at the most important time is a deal killer, especially since it seems to be a thing with him. I’d bring him back and commit to him if there isn’t a decisively better option but there should be a focus to upgrade the starting PG spot.
Reading these post...it makes perfect sense. I know what we should do see. See DLO played great this year and got us past GSW and MEM with the 3 threes...so what we can do is offer him the MLE on a 1 year contract. We will convice his agent see that eventhough he played great and uped his career numbers he just didnt do well in that ONE playoff series. Im sure his Agemt will understand.
Next we wont go for Kyriie as he didnt make the playoffs..We will go for WB..Yeah! Now before people shake their head listen to this. WB played great against PHX, and PG and Kawahi wasnt there to help. He had great numbers durng the playoffs and thats what really counts... right?! So we will not just give him 40mil we will sign and trade bease/Shro/BAM/5 draft picks and MAX Christi and Cash somewhere to make rooom for WB. Lets say 60mil yr for say 6 year contract? That sounds great since he played great in the playoffs..yeah!
So what will happen is WB will NOT PLAY IN THE REG SEASON...noooo. We will play DLO the 82 games and when the playoffs come he will sit on the bench and rot. Then when the playoffs comes we will unleash WB as a starter. With LECURRY/AD MR 50/50 Might show/Might Not /WB(Brodie) and the GREATEST COACH EVER MAKING Adjustments and small ball HAM..we bound to make the playoffs and finals..right? Thats what the fans need..right?
Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 4298 Location: Lake Nacimiento
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 9:19 pm Post subject:
JustaObserver wrote:
Hanging from Rafters wrote:
hype wrote:
Japago wrote:
tox wrote:
Japago wrote:
Another thing to keep in mind with D'Lo is that this was far and away his best season. Typically, he's a low 40s overall FG% and a mid 30s 3pt shooter. Last year, he was .411 and .340 on FG and 3pt respectively. This season does look like an outlier year if you go through his seasonal box score averages.
Even on a friendly salary, he might be hard to trade on 41 and 34. He's streaky and that can be scary if there's any idea of trading him later on.
I want to improve from D'Angelo regardless of whether it's Kyrie or not. I also agree that the Lakers need to have depth. So, go down the list of guys until you can find that balance. You don't let him walk for nothing, but I also don't think the Lakers should wait to upgrade if they can do so right away. His value may never be higher.
Nah, his value couldn't be any lower lol. The proof is in the pudding; virtually everyone wants to move him or sign him for cheap. If he has a strong regular season (very much plausible), like say 19/6 on 62% TS% (this assumes higher usage due to LBJ/ AD being out intermittently), then his trade value would be higher since people would again be wondering if he's turned a corner. And LG will again be in a civil war about what he's worth
He just had the strongest regular season he's ever had, by a long shot according to the numbers. He's never shot the ball better overall and from 3. He had a .469(and .484 with LAL) overall FG% when he never shot over .434, and .396(.414 with LAL) from 3 when he never shot over .387.
This is probably as good as it gets with him, and he still didn't show up at the end.
Most teams need help to get to where the Lakers were, so maybe they overlook the DEN series and are happy to have D'Lo improve them. But, the Lakers need more to get over the hump.
Pretty sure the regular Season is nearly irrelevant for the FO.. Most will probably agree he'd be a rock solid piece to keep us afloat in the regular Season, that's not even really the debate i'm having with him at least though.
He was all over the place the first two rounds in the Playoffs but had a couple great stretches that were paramount to wins so the very clearly inconsistent games in those Series were mostly forgotten. He also could still playmake decently at this time.
When we needed him most though he went from the 3rd option to literally being benched in the most important game of the year which was the first time that happened all Playoffs.. The entire team was clearly losing confidence in him as the Series went on too and it wasn't just simply shooting percentages which were pathetic for sure but it was how he completely forgot how to be an impactful player the majority of the time.. He was our biggest defensive liability while not being able to make nearly anything and he also wasn't even playmaking nearly as well as we all know he is capable of. It got to the point where I felt more confident in Dennis playmaking and that is not a compliment in the slightest to either player. On top of all that once he was called out by the Nuggets for his horrific play he still looked like he was in cruise control without a care in the world and hardly even attempting closeouts half the time while Denver just kept draining the 3's.
I was probably one of his biggest supporters but unless he comes back for a GREAT deal I don't really even care if he comes back honestly. If you consistently fail on the biggest stages you don't belong on the Lakers imo.. This has plagued him from the previous times he was in the Playoffs as well so it's not like he was just in some really rough slump, it's likely just who he is as a player especially once the opposing team gets aggressive with him.
It's a shame because his spirit and love to be a Laker was so contagious for both fans and his teammates but his awful play was the key reason we lost the Series imo.
So sad…was really rooting for Dlo as he looked like THAT GUY we needed on several occasions. In the Memphis game that got away in an instant when we went from leading to down 7 he hit 3 straight 3s to give us back the lead. Then he started that GSW game red hot and they never looked back. I don’t understand how he disappeared but failing at the most important time is a deal killer, especially since it seems to be a thing with him. I’d bring him back and commit to him if there isn’t a decisively better option but there should be a focus to upgrade the starting PG spot.
Reading these post...it makes perfect sense. I know what we should do see. See DLO played great this year and got us past GSW and MEM with the 3 threes...so what we can do is offer him the MLE on a 1 year contract. We will convice his agent see that eventhough he played great and uped his career numbers he just didnt do well in that ONE playoff series. Im sure his Agemt will understand.
Next we wont go for Kyriie as he didnt make the playoffs..We will go for WB..Yeah! Now before people shake their head listen to this. WB played great against PHX, and PG and Kawahi wasnt there to help. He had great numbers durng the playoffs and thats what really counts... right?! So we will not just give him 40mil we will sign and trade bease/Shro/BAM/5 draft picks and MAX Christi and Cash somewhere to make rooom for WB. Lets say 60mil yr for say 6 year contract? That sounds great since he played great in the playoffs..yeah!
So what will happen is WB will NOT PLAY IN THE REG SEASON...noooo. We will play DLO the 82 games and when the playoffs come he will sit on the bench and rot. Then when the playoffs comes we will unleash WB as a starter. With LECURRY/AD MR 50/50 Might show/Might Not /WB(Brodie) and the GREATEST COACH EVER MAKING Adjustments and small ball HAM..we bound to make the playoffs and finals..right? Thats what the fans need..right?
Uhh wtf........
Embarrassingly bad look with that reply my guy.. You tried to be clever (funny?) but failed miserably
I'd say it was a little bit more then simply just a single bad series though.
I'm also not against re-signing him at all if nothing else can be had to make us better in a s&t.. He's just def. not worth anywhere near that 30+ mill he was rumored to be looking for imo especially if he wants 3-4 years. I'm cool just re-signing as many of the core players as possible and giving them an actual full Season if they can get the salaries right to make it work.
Last edited by hype on Thu May 25, 2023 9:26 pm; edited 2 times in total
Another thing to keep in mind with D'Lo is that this was far and away his best season. Typically, he's a low 40s overall FG% and a mid 30s 3pt shooter. Last year, he was .411 and .340 on FG and 3pt respectively. This season does look like an outlier year if you go through his seasonal box score averages.
Even on a friendly salary, he might be hard to trade on 41 and 34. He's streaky and that can be scary if there's any idea of trading him later on.
I want to improve from D'Angelo regardless of whether it's Kyrie or not. I also agree that the Lakers need to have depth. So, go down the list of guys until you can find that balance. You don't let him walk for nothing, but I also don't think the Lakers should wait to upgrade if they can do so right away. His value may never be higher.
Nah, his value couldn't be any lower lol. The proof is in the pudding; virtually everyone wants to move him or sign him for cheap. If he has a strong regular season (very much plausible), like say 19/6 on 62% TS% (this assumes higher usage due to LBJ/ AD being out intermittently), then his trade value would be higher since people would again be wondering if he's turned a corner. And LG will again be in a civil war about what he's worth
He just had the strongest regular season he's ever had, by a long shot according to the numbers. He's never shot the ball better overall and from 3. He had a .469(and .484 with LAL) overall FG% when he never shot over .434, and .396(.414 with LAL) from 3 when he never shot over .387.
This is probably as good as it gets with him, and he still didn't show up at the end.
Most teams need help to get to where the Lakers were, so maybe they overlook the DEN series and are happy to have D'Lo improve them. But, the Lakers need more to get over the hump.
Pretty sure the regular Season is nearly irrelevant for the FO.. Most will probably agree he'd be a rock solid piece to keep us afloat in the regular Season, that's not even really the debate i'm having with him at least though.
He was all over the place the first two rounds in the Playoffs but had a couple great stretches that were paramount to wins so the very clearly inconsistent games in those Series were mostly forgotten. He also could still playmake decently at this time.
When we needed him most though he went from the 3rd option to literally being benched in the most important game of the year which was the first time that happened all Playoffs.. The entire team was clearly losing confidence in him as the Series went on too and it wasn't just simply shooting percentages which were pathetic for sure but it was how he completely forgot how to be an impactful player the majority of the time.. He was our biggest defensive liability while not being able to make nearly anything and he also wasn't even playmaking nearly as well as we all know he is capable of. It got to the point where I felt more confident in Dennis playmaking and that is not a compliment in the slightest to either player. On top of all that once he was called out by the Nuggets for his horrific play he still looked like he was in cruise control without a care in the world and hardly even attempting closeouts half the time while Denver just kept draining the 3's.
I was probably one of his biggest supporters but unless he comes back for a GREAT deal I don't really even care if he comes back honestly. If you consistently fail on the biggest stages you don't belong on the Lakers imo.. This has plagued him from the previous times he was in the Playoffs as well so it's not like he was just in some really rough slump, it's likely just who he is as a player especially once the opposing team gets aggressive with him.
It's a shame because his spirit and love to be a Laker was so contagious for both fans and his teammates but his awful play was the key reason we lost the Series imo.
So sad…was really rooting for Dlo as he looked like THAT GUY we needed on several occasions. In the Memphis game that got away in an instant when we went from leading to down 7 he hit 3 straight 3s to give us back the lead. Then he started that GSW game red hot and they never looked back. I don’t understand how he disappeared but failing at the most important time is a deal killer, especially since it seems to be a thing with him. I’d bring him back and commit to him if there isn’t a decisively better option but there should be a focus to upgrade the starting PG spot.
Reading these post...it makes perfect sense. I know what we should do see. See DLO played great this year and got us past GSW and MEM with the 3 threes...so what we can do is offer him the MLE on a 1 year contract. We will convice his agent see that eventhough he played great and uped his career numbers he just didnt do well in that ONE playoff series. Im sure his Agemt will understand.
Next we wont go for Kyriie as he didnt make the playoffs..We will go for WB..Yeah! Now before people shake their head listen to this. WB played great against PHX, and PG and Kawahi wasnt there to help. He had great numbers durng the playoffs and thats what really counts... right?! So we will not just give him 40mil we will sign and trade bease/Shro/BAM/5 draft picks and MAX Christi and Cash somewhere to make rooom for WB. Lets say 60mil yr for say 6 year contract? That sounds great since he played great in the playoffs..yeah!
So what will happen is WB will NOT PLAY IN THE REG SEASON...noooo. We will play DLO the 82 games and when the playoffs come he will sit on the bench and rot. Then when the playoffs comes we will unleash WB as a starter. With LECURRY/AD MR 50/50 Might show/Might Not /WB(Brodie) and the GREATEST COACH EVER MAKING Adjustments and small ball HAM..we bound to make the playoffs and finals..right? Thats what the fans need..right?
Uhh wtf........
Embarrassingly bad look with that reply my guy.. You tried to be clever (funny?) but failed miserably
I'd say it was a little bit more then simply just a single bad series though.
I'm also not against re-signing him at all if nothing else can be had to make us better in a s&t.. He's just def. not worth anywhere near that 30+ mill he was rumored to be looking for especially if he wants 3-4 years. I'm cool just re-signing as many of the core players as possible and giving them an actual full Season if they can get the salaries right to make it work.
Whats wrong with this? I wrote it out having my Lakers shades on ..I thought it was a good deal? What part is wrong? DLO will take 5 mil on a one year deal..because he should know that he cant get more due to the one Playoff series. Also Everyone looking for what you done in the playoffs ..the reg season dosnt count to earn money. So KY didnt make the playoffs but WB did...sooo based on how he playeed....We should PAY HIM..riught? He played great right? We going to put him in the Horry position like the Spurs did..we surely that way will get the the Finals... right? put your Lakers shades on...and you will see this all fits together.
Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 4298 Location: Lake Nacimiento
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 9:36 pm Post subject:
JustaObserver wrote:
hype wrote:
JustaObserver wrote:
Hanging from Rafters wrote:
hype wrote:
Japago wrote:
tox wrote:
Japago wrote:
Another thing to keep in mind with D'Lo is that this was far and away his best season. Typically, he's a low 40s overall FG% and a mid 30s 3pt shooter. Last year, he was .411 and .340 on FG and 3pt respectively. This season does look like an outlier year if you go through his seasonal box score averages.
Even on a friendly salary, he might be hard to trade on 41 and 34. He's streaky and that can be scary if there's any idea of trading him later on.
I want to improve from D'Angelo regardless of whether it's Kyrie or not. I also agree that the Lakers need to have depth. So, go down the list of guys until you can find that balance. You don't let him walk for nothing, but I also don't think the Lakers should wait to upgrade if they can do so right away. His value may never be higher.
Nah, his value couldn't be any lower lol. The proof is in the pudding; virtually everyone wants to move him or sign him for cheap. If he has a strong regular season (very much plausible), like say 19/6 on 62% TS% (this assumes higher usage due to LBJ/ AD being out intermittently), then his trade value would be higher since people would again be wondering if he's turned a corner. And LG will again be in a civil war about what he's worth
He just had the strongest regular season he's ever had, by a long shot according to the numbers. He's never shot the ball better overall and from 3. He had a .469(and .484 with LAL) overall FG% when he never shot over .434, and .396(.414 with LAL) from 3 when he never shot over .387.
This is probably as good as it gets with him, and he still didn't show up at the end.
Most teams need help to get to where the Lakers were, so maybe they overlook the DEN series and are happy to have D'Lo improve them. But, the Lakers need more to get over the hump.
Pretty sure the regular Season is nearly irrelevant for the FO.. Most will probably agree he'd be a rock solid piece to keep us afloat in the regular Season, that's not even really the debate i'm having with him at least though.
He was all over the place the first two rounds in the Playoffs but had a couple great stretches that were paramount to wins so the very clearly inconsistent games in those Series were mostly forgotten. He also could still playmake decently at this time.
When we needed him most though he went from the 3rd option to literally being benched in the most important game of the year which was the first time that happened all Playoffs.. The entire team was clearly losing confidence in him as the Series went on too and it wasn't just simply shooting percentages which were pathetic for sure but it was how he completely forgot how to be an impactful player the majority of the time.. He was our biggest defensive liability while not being able to make nearly anything and he also wasn't even playmaking nearly as well as we all know he is capable of. It got to the point where I felt more confident in Dennis playmaking and that is not a compliment in the slightest to either player. On top of all that once he was called out by the Nuggets for his horrific play he still looked like he was in cruise control without a care in the world and hardly even attempting closeouts half the time while Denver just kept draining the 3's.
I was probably one of his biggest supporters but unless he comes back for a GREAT deal I don't really even care if he comes back honestly. If you consistently fail on the biggest stages you don't belong on the Lakers imo.. This has plagued him from the previous times he was in the Playoffs as well so it's not like he was just in some really rough slump, it's likely just who he is as a player especially once the opposing team gets aggressive with him.
It's a shame because his spirit and love to be a Laker was so contagious for both fans and his teammates but his awful play was the key reason we lost the Series imo.
So sad…was really rooting for Dlo as he looked like THAT GUY we needed on several occasions. In the Memphis game that got away in an instant when we went from leading to down 7 he hit 3 straight 3s to give us back the lead. Then he started that GSW game red hot and they never looked back. I don’t understand how he disappeared but failing at the most important time is a deal killer, especially since it seems to be a thing with him. I’d bring him back and commit to him if there isn’t a decisively better option but there should be a focus to upgrade the starting PG spot.
Reading these post...it makes perfect sense. I know what we should do see. See DLO played great this year and got us past GSW and MEM with the 3 threes...so what we can do is offer him the MLE on a 1 year contract. We will convice his agent see that eventhough he played great and uped his career numbers he just didnt do well in that ONE playoff series. Im sure his Agemt will understand.
Next we wont go for Kyriie as he didnt make the playoffs..We will go for WB..Yeah! Now before people shake their head listen to this. WB played great against PHX, and PG and Kawahi wasnt there to help. He had great numbers durng the playoffs and thats what really counts... right?! So we will not just give him 40mil we will sign and trade bease/Shro/BAM/5 draft picks and MAX Christi and Cash somewhere to make rooom for WB. Lets say 60mil yr for say 6 year contract? That sounds great since he played great in the playoffs..yeah!
So what will happen is WB will NOT PLAY IN THE REG SEASON...noooo. We will play DLO the 82 games and when the playoffs come he will sit on the bench and rot. Then when the playoffs comes we will unleash WB as a starter. With LECURRY/AD MR 50/50 Might show/Might Not /WB(Brodie) and the GREATEST COACH EVER MAKING Adjustments and small ball HAM..we bound to make the playoffs and finals..right? Thats what the fans need..right?
Uhh wtf........
Embarrassingly bad look with that reply my guy.. You tried to be clever (funny?) but failed miserably
I'd say it was a little bit more then simply just a single bad series though.
I'm also not against re-signing him at all if nothing else can be had to make us better in a s&t.. He's just def. not worth anywhere near that 30+ mill he was rumored to be looking for especially if he wants 3-4 years. I'm cool just re-signing as many of the core players as possible and giving them an actual full Season if they can get the salaries right to make it work.
Whats wrong with this? I wrote it out having my Lakers shades on ..I thought it was a good deal? What part is wrong? DLO will take 5 mil on a one year deal..because he should know that he cant get more due to the one Playoff series. Also Everyone looking for what you done in the playoffs ..the reg season dosnt count to earn money. So KY didnt make the playoffs but WB did...sooo based on how he playeed....We should PAY HIM..riught? He played great right? We going to put him in the Horry position like the Spurs did..we surely that way will get the the Finals... right? put your Lakers shades on...and you will see this all fits together.
Another thing to keep in mind with D'Lo is that this was far and away his best season. Typically, he's a low 40s overall FG% and a mid 30s 3pt shooter. Last year, he was .411 and .340 on FG and 3pt respectively. This season does look like an outlier year if you go through his seasonal box score averages.
Even on a friendly salary, he might be hard to trade on 41 and 34. He's streaky and that can be scary if there's any idea of trading him later on.
I want to improve from D'Angelo regardless of whether it's Kyrie or not. I also agree that the Lakers need to have depth. So, go down the list of guys until you can find that balance. You don't let him walk for nothing, but I also don't think the Lakers should wait to upgrade if they can do so right away. His value may never be higher.
Nah, his value couldn't be any lower lol. The proof is in the pudding; virtually everyone wants to move him or sign him for cheap. If he has a strong regular season (very much plausible), like say 19/6 on 62% TS% (this assumes higher usage due to LBJ/ AD being out intermittently), then his trade value would be higher since people would again be wondering if he's turned a corner. And LG will again be in a civil war about what he's worth
He just had the strongest regular season he's ever had, by a long shot according to the numbers. He's never shot the ball better overall and from 3. He had a .469(and .484 with LAL) overall FG% when he never shot over .434, and .396(.414 with LAL) from 3 when he never shot over .387.
This is probably as good as it gets with him, and he still didn't show up at the end.
Most teams need help to get to where the Lakers were, so maybe they overlook the DEN series and are happy to have D'Lo improve them. But, the Lakers need more to get over the hump.
Pretty sure the regular Season is nearly irrelevant for the FO.. Most will probably agree he'd be a rock solid piece to keep us afloat in the regular Season, that's not even really the debate i'm having with him at least though.
He was all over the place the first two rounds in the Playoffs but had a couple great stretches that were paramount to wins so the very clearly inconsistent games in those Series were mostly forgotten. He also could still playmake decently at this time.
When we needed him most though he went from the 3rd option to literally being benched in the most important game of the year which was the first time that happened all Playoffs.. The entire team was clearly losing confidence in him as the Series went on too and it wasn't just simply shooting percentages which were pathetic for sure but it was how he completely forgot how to be an impactful player the majority of the time.. He was our biggest defensive liability while not being able to make nearly anything and he also wasn't even playmaking nearly as well as we all know he is capable of. It got to the point where I felt more confident in Dennis playmaking and that is not a compliment in the slightest to either player. On top of all that once he was called out by the Nuggets for his horrific play he still looked like he was in cruise control without a care in the world and hardly even attempting closeouts half the time while Denver just kept draining the 3's.
I was probably one of his biggest supporters but unless he comes back for a GREAT deal I don't really even care if he comes back honestly. If you consistently fail on the biggest stages you don't belong on the Lakers imo.. This has plagued him from the previous times he was in the Playoffs as well so it's not like he was just in some really rough slump, it's likely just who he is as a player especially once the opposing team gets aggressive with him.
It's a shame because his spirit and love to be a Laker was so contagious for both fans and his teammates but his awful play was the key reason we lost the Series imo.
So sad…was really rooting for Dlo as he looked like THAT GUY we needed on several occasions. In the Memphis game that got away in an instant when we went from leading to down 7 he hit 3 straight 3s to give us back the lead. Then he started that GSW game red hot and they never looked back. I don’t understand how he disappeared but failing at the most important time is a deal killer, especially since it seems to be a thing with him. I’d bring him back and commit to him if there isn’t a decisively better option but there should be a focus to upgrade the starting PG spot.
Reading these post...it makes perfect sense. I know what we should do see. See DLO played great this year and got us past GSW and MEM with the 3 threes...so what we can do is offer him the MLE on a 1 year contract. We will convice his agent see that eventhough he played great and uped his career numbers he just didnt do well in that ONE playoff series. Im sure his Agemt will understand.
Next we wont go for Kyriie as he didnt make the playoffs..We will go for WB..Yeah! Now before people shake their head listen to this. WB played great against PHX, and PG and Kawahi wasnt there to help. He had great numbers durng the playoffs and thats what really counts... right?! So we will not just give him 40mil we will sign and trade bease/Shro/BAM/5 draft picks and MAX Christi and Cash somewhere to make rooom for WB. Lets say 60mil yr for say 6 year contract? That sounds great since he played great in the playoffs..yeah!
So what will happen is WB will NOT PLAY IN THE REG SEASON...noooo. We will play DLO the 82 games and when the playoffs come he will sit on the bench and rot. Then when the playoffs comes we will unleash WB as a starter. With LECURRY/AD MR 50/50 Might show/Might Not /WB(Brodie) and the GREATEST COACH EVER MAKING Adjustments and small ball HAM..we bound to make the playoffs and finals..right? Thats what the fans need..right?
Uhh wtf........
Embarrassingly bad look with that reply my guy.. You tried to be clever (funny?) but failed miserably
I'd say it was a little bit more then simply just a single bad series though.
I'm also not against re-signing him at all if nothing else can be had to make us better in a s&t.. He's just def. not worth anywhere near that 30+ mill he was rumored to be looking for especially if he wants 3-4 years. I'm cool just re-signing as many of the core players as possible and giving them an actual full Season if they can get the salaries right to make it work.
Whats wrong with this? I wrote it out having my Lakers shades on ..I thought it was a good deal? What part is wrong? DLO will take 5 mil on a one year deal..because he should know that he cant get more due to the one Playoff series. Also Everyone looking for what you done in the playoffs ..the reg season dosnt count to earn money. So KY didnt make the playoffs but WB did...sooo based on how he playeed....We should PAY HIM..riught? He played great right? We going to put him in the Horry position like the Spurs did..we surely that way will get the the Finals... right? put your Lakers shades on...and you will see this all fits together.
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Ohhh poor little guy..cant make a comeback..got to go get yub a little video....ohhhh bless his heart.
Maybe that video you reflect yourself living in delusion land which is evident with these stupid posts you make thinking you dont have to pay nobody and only the post series matter when it comes to getting paid. Moreover many like you think its al his fault or person fault when your coach was a freaking idiiot. Ya King think he Steph Curry out there. Also AD....where was he? I dont recollect him being out there at all. So you go ahead with your fantasy island reality...Put your Lakers Shades on that block logic and reality and everyone played great but him, You can pay him peanuts and if he dont want it...we can snap our fingers and go get KY or even better yet...we can get Gainnis ..why stop with KY?..Get Gainnis and Tatum and Brown and DAme tooo not for the 82 games though. We going to automatically make the playoffs as AD takes 20 games off and LBJ starts taking games off in the regular season now.
We just need them when we make the playoffs somehow with no stars or bench. Yep just going to snap our fingers and be in the playoffs with 1 year contract guys or the latest wherever with no chemistry..pfft lol.
What is happening on this thread? If you're gonna clog up the thread with these replies, at least do us the favor of trimming the context so there aren't these giant quote trees
What is happening on this thread? If you're gonna clog up the thread with these replies, at least do us the favor of trimming the context so there aren't these giant quote trees
Just a real annoying guy whose texts are hard to read and hardly make sense. Who knows what his fascination with D'Lo is??? This guy acts like he is D'Lo's brother or relative with the way he defends him so passionately.
What is happening on this thread? If you're gonna clog up the thread with these replies, at least do us the favor of trimming the context so there aren't these giant quote trees
Just a real annoying guy whose texts are hard to read and hardly make sense. Who knows what his fascination with D'Lo is??? This guy acts like he is D'Lo's brother or relative with the way he defends him so passionately.
Nope just have a problem with people that believe a person should get paid more or less on a few games rather than the majority of games played. Like i said some whining crying fans rahter pin a whole seseaon on one guy instead of the whole team. Go back and look at some of the posts...bet you wont do it. Fans and media did the same stupidity with Shro. He played one bad game in a loss in the playoffs..bam he is the scapegoat. Eventhough that year he was a STARTER and carried the team into the playoffs as ONCE AGAIN..LBJ and AD were hurt. Fans put their Lakers shades on with that too and forgot everything he did that year and only remembered he didnt score a whole half and then scored 21 pts in the 2nd half but they loss the playoffs. What fans and media do? Blame game and crucify and that right there is kind of disgusting.
What is happening on this thread? If you're gonna clog up the thread with these replies, at least do us the favor of trimming the context so there aren't these giant quote trees
Just a real annoying guy whose texts are hard to read and hardly make sense. Who knows what his fascination with D'Lo is??? This guy acts like he is D'Lo's brother or relative with the way he defends him so passionately.
Nope just have a problem with people that believe a person should get paid more or less on a few games rather than the majority of games played. Like i said some whining crying fans rahter pin a whole seseaon on one guy instead of the whole team. Go back and look at some of the posts...bet you wont do it. Fans and media did the same stupidity with Shro. He played one bad game in a loss in the playoffs..bam he is the scapegoat. Eventhough that year he was a STARTER and carried the team into the playoffs as ONCE AGAIN..LBJ and AD were hurt. Fans put their Lakers shades on with that too and forgot everything he did that year and only remembered he didnt score a whole half and then scored 21 pts in the 2nd half but they loss the playoffs. What fans and media do? Blame game and crucify and that right there is kind of disgusting.
I can’t disagree dude. The Schro thing never settled with me. He had a bad game and we got eliminated and he got blamed for everything. This is called recency bias. It’s a thing but what are you gonna do?
I think if we step back a few weeks from the raw feelings of being swept, I think (hope) cooler heads will prevail. When Kyrie extends for a max in Dallas, and Trae moves on talk about how excited he is to be with the Hawks, then we will see what the options are. And there may not be any better realistic ones that we can actually attain.
I tire of the back and forth about DLO. It seems to be rooted in pain (understandable) from the sweep and his terrible play in the series. But I'm taking a big picture look and not just at one good or bad phase of the season. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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I think if we step back a few weeks from the raw feelings of being swept, I think (hope) cooler heads will prevail. When Kyrie extends for a max in Dallas, and Trae moves on talk about how excited he is to be with the Hawks, then we will see what the options are. And there may not be any better realistic ones that we can actually attain.
I tire of the back and forth about DLO. It seems to be rooted in pain (understandable) from the sweep and his terrible play in the series. But I'm taking a big picture look and not just at one good or bad phase of the season.
Watch out, you're in danger of being labeled "reasonable."
I'm in the same boat with regards to D'Lo. Every roster spot isn't going to be filled with All-NBA talent. Is D'Lo the ideal PG for this roster? Probably not, but he plays at a high enough level in the regular season to carry the teams to some wins when AD/LBJ miss games, and he was a major contributor in playoffs rounds one and two. I don't think he's worth the/his max salary slot, but if we can get him to come back on a reasonable deal he can help the team win. _________________ "It’s like going to the Getty and standing in front of Van Gogh’s Irises while some schmuck next to you critiques individual brush strokes. Just shut up already. The more you talk, the more you embarrass yourself."
D'Angelo Russell 31 Points to Close out the Grizzlies
Now give us his highlights from the Denver series.
Give us LB highlights of Games 1 and 2 of the series. dooing his best LECURRY. This the stuff im talking about..you cant say a season of him playing bad..you automatically go to a series or a particular point where we lost..THATS CRAZY. We did the same to Shro..We DO THIS TO EVERY GUY THAT COMES HERE..But not to AD..D..D..D or LETRASH CURRY...smh. Its sad.
More salary projections being downloaded to the masses towards a potential reup…let’s just say, those digits are literally kept on the downlow. Damn, dude killed his bag and I still believe it’s actually on the higher end. I was expecting much lower for an one dimensional player.
Quote:
McMenamin: Russell is eligible to sign a two-year, $67.5 million extension by June 30, which the Lakers will not pursue at the max number, sources familiar with the situation told ESPN.
And the market could be flat for the 27-year-old Russell, as the teams with that type of cap space this summer -- Houston, San Antonio, Utah, Orlando, Oklahoma City, Detroit and Indiana -- are either still in rebuild mode or already filled at the position.
This would include making an extension offer to Russell -- perhaps in the $18 million to $23 million annual compensation range depending on the contract length…
Wasted a FRP on dope boy tbh, but reupping dude on a 13-15m bag would be dope! _________________ Not familiar with the salary cap/CBA rules & how it impacts our Lakers?
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More salary projections being downloaded to the masses towards a potential reup…let’s just say, those digits are literally kept on the downlow. Damn, dude killed his bag and I still believe it’s actually on the higher end. I was expecting much lower for an one dimensional player.
Quote:
McMenamin: Russell is eligible to sign a two-year, $67.5 million extension by June 30, which the Lakers will not pursue at the max number, sources familiar with the situation told ESPN.
And the market could be flat for the 27-year-old Russell, as the teams with that type of cap space this summer -- Houston, San Antonio, Utah, Orlando, Oklahoma City, Detroit and Indiana -- are either still in rebuild mode or already filled at the position.
This would include making an extension offer to Russell -- perhaps in the $18 million to $23 million annual compensation range depending on the contract length…
Wow, my range was 18-22m post Denver debacle too. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
D'Angelo Russell 31 Points to Close out the Grizzlies
Now give us his highlights from the Denver series.
Give us LB highlights of Games 1 and 2 of the series. dooing his best LECURRY. This the stuff im talking about..you cant say a season of him playing bad..you automatically go to a series or a particular point where we lost..THATS CRAZY. We did the same to Shro..We DO THIS TO EVERY GUY THAT COMES HERE..But not to AD..D..D..D or LETRASH CURRY...smh. Its sad.
True, lets trade Lebron and build around DLO.
Dude, I get it, you are a fan of DLO and want him to come back. All good but lets not get crazy. Plenty of people dump on AD and LBJ too. You not see all those threads?
D'Angelo Russell 31 Points to Close out the Grizzlies
Now give us his highlights from the Denver series.
Give us LB highlights of Games 1 and 2 of the series. dooing his best LECURRY. This the stuff im talking about..you cant say a season of him playing bad..you automatically go to a series or a particular point where we lost..THATS CRAZY. We did the same to Shro..We DO THIS TO EVERY GUY THAT COMES HERE..But not to AD..D..D..D or LETRASH CURRY...smh. Its sad.
True, lets trade Lebron and build around DLO.
Dude, I get it, you are a fan of DLO and want him to come back. All good but lets not get crazy. Plenty of people dump on AD and LBJ too. You not see all those threads?
Nope im not a fan of this process. ITS STUPID. We point and crucify one guy and say "Hey forget if he got us here. Look at what he did on this one game or series...seee? He needs to be traded or given no money"..That has happened to Shro..That has happened to Rhondo to some extent. Death threats to bease and DAnny green(now him he didnt shoot great the whole season sooo). We ignore Lecurry and we ignore a Coach that made no adjustments to a player not being a good matchup for his opponent. Can we deduct this coach's pay for those horrible small ball lineups or leaving him out there getting hunted? These are the problems i have.
^Great point @TC, but with AC, dude wound have come back in a sub-avg deal (NBA avg contracts go for around 10m). AC’s deal would have had great value cause he obviously worked great with Bron, would have helped AD tremendously on D and to the rest of the league wound have been a great asset to trade for.
As for Schro tho, no way is he worth 20m+ per, but if we retained him for closer to the NBA avg salary (ie ntpMLE), again that’s a great asset to have in our books. If they can reup DLo to that type if yearly amount, imho we salvaged the trade. Otherwise, we just wasted yet another FRP on a potential flight risk or depreciated asset on a bad deal (if that’s what ends up happening). _________________ Not familiar with the salary cap/CBA rules & how it impacts our Lakers?
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More salary projections being downloaded to the masses towards a potential reup…let’s just say, those digits are literally kept on the downlow. Damn, dude killed his bag and I still believe it’s actually on the higher end. I was expecting much lower for an one dimensional player.
Quote:
McMenamin: Russell is eligible to sign a two-year, $67.5 million extension by June 30, which the Lakers will not pursue at the max number, sources familiar with the situation told ESPN.
And the market could be flat for the 27-year-old Russell, as the teams with that type of cap space this summer -- Houston, San Antonio, Utah, Orlando, Oklahoma City, Detroit and Indiana -- are either still in rebuild mode or already filled at the position.
This would include making an extension offer to Russell -- perhaps in the $18 million to $23 million annual compensation range depending on the contract length…
Wow, my range was 18-22m post Denver debacle too.
I was thinking exactly of you when I read that! Spot on my man!
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