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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | the possibility of bias...does not make something subjective. |
I couldn't disagree with this more. It goes against pretty fundamental scientific principles.
https://study.com/learn/lesson/objectivity-scientific-research.html#:~:text=Objectivity%20is%20free%20from%20all,both%20overt%20and%20implicit%20biases.
| Quote: | | What does objective mean in research? Objectivity is a crucial characteristic of scientific research. Objectivity means being objective or impartial and not being influenced by personal experiences, value judgments, or preconceived notions. It is the opposite of subjectivity, which is an outlook governed by one's personally held beliefs, opinions, or tastes. Objectivity is free from all bias. A bias is an unfair tendency to prefer one outcome, thing, person, or group of people over another. There are many different kinds of biases. People have both overt and implicit biases. |
My only concession is that I agree people can be (relatively) objective when it pertains to a matter even though nobody is completely free of bias. In that regard perhaps it makes sense to focus on the objectivity of the methodology as opposed to the objectivity of a person. Here's an interesting tidbit I found on the meaning of objectivity in journalism and how it has evolved over time
https://www.americanpressinstitute.org/journalism-essentials/bias-objectivity/lost-meaning-objectivity/
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When the concept originally evolved, it was not meant to imply that journalists were free of bias. Quite the contrary.
The term began to appear as part of journalism after the turn of the 20th century, particularly in the 1920s, out of a growing recognition that journalists were full of bias, often unconsciously. Objectivity called for journalists to develop a consistent method of testing information – a transparent approach to evidence – precisely so that personal and cultural biases would not undermine the accuracy of their work...Objectivity called for journalists to develop a consistent method of testing information – a transparent approach to evidence...The method is objective, not the journalist. |
So while I agree the methodology put forth by the Nature study is highly objective, I feel strongly the methodology by which the NBA grades officials is not:
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Many executives within NBA franchises surveyed for this story care more about a different area of referee grading and data: The role this information plays in determining which officials are promoted from the G League, which are given crew chief assignments and, perhaps most vitally, which are selected to officiate playoff and NBA Finals games.
The NBA maintains that three primary variables are at play for such forms of promotion:
1. Referee grading analytics compiled by game reviewers and league analysts.
2. Specific input/rankings from each NBA team regarding individual referees (typically provided by a team’s coach and/or general manager).
3. Assessments of referees from the NBA’s developmental advisers and other top management/training staff.
The NBA steadfastly refuses to disclose the weights each of these three variables holds during any promotion or playoff assignment decisions. Each is given “substantial weight,” per Byron Spruell
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-nba-uses-its-data-on-referees/
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my 2 cents on this is that all sports have a, for a lack a better term, "rigging" factor. This is all for entertainment and I believe there is influence via the refs who are untouchable by the media (don't have to answer to anyone from the media or the team after calling a horrible or great game).
Some refs, like this idiot, can't help but do something stupid that forces the NBA's hand. I don't believe for a second he decided to retire but was forced to by the NBA to save face all around.
I see some people bend over backwards to defend the refs and say there is nothing going on behind the scenes. Maybe you're right but I find that incredibly unlikely.
I continue to watch the NBA (I dont care for any other sport) because I'm addicted and can't stop watching and root for my Lakers despite how I feel about the controlled entertainment factor. |
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| gng930 wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | the possibility of bias...does not make something subjective. |
I couldn't disagree with this more. It goes against pretty fundamental scientific principles. |
This would be true if, and only if, the "subjective" decision was deemed to be correct. It isn't. That's fundamental disconnect here. This is not scientific research. This is the application of objective rules.
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Shocking?
Unfortunately, no...not in the NBA where officiating has always been a big problem.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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So getting out the weeds as you may say, do you think NBA officiating is subjective or objective? And do you think the ref grading system is subjective or objective?
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2023-2024 season will be the Lakers season.
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | I feel bad for those who think the NBA is after refs who rig games.. I have some bad news for you… you are wrong.. the NBA pays refs to rigg games it’s why bad officiating has been going on for years, Eric Lewis was fired because of his stupidity not because he was helping Boston |
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| 27 wrote: | my 2 cents on this is that all sports have a, for a lack a better term, "rigging" factor. This is all for entertainment and I believe there is influence via the refs who are untouchable by the media (don't have to answer to anyone from the media or the team after calling a horrible or great game).
Some refs, like this idiot, can't help but do something stupid that forces the NBA's hand. I don't believe for a second he decided to retire but was forced to by the NBA to save face all around.
I see some people bend over backwards to defend the refs and say there is nothing going on behind the scenes. Maybe you're right but I find that incredibly unlikely.
I continue to watch the NBA (I dont care for any other sport) because I'm addicted and can't stop watching and root for my Lakers despite how I feel about the controlled entertainment factor. |
100% agreed
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| LakerHabib wrote: | | 27 wrote: | my 2 cents on this is that all sports have a, for a lack a better term, "rigging" factor. This is all for entertainment and I believe there is influence via the refs who are untouchable by the media (don't have to answer to anyone from the media or the team after calling a horrible or great game).
Some refs, like this idiot, can't help but do something stupid that forces the NBA's hand. I don't believe for a second he decided to retire but was forced to by the NBA to save face all around.
I see some people bend over backwards to defend the refs and say there is nothing going on behind the scenes. Maybe you're right but I find that incredibly unlikely.
I continue to watch the NBA (I dont care for any other sport) because I'm addicted and can't stop watching and root for my Lakers despite how I feel about the controlled entertainment factor. |
100% agreed |
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