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Megaton
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| matigol wrote: | | The God Particle wrote: | As disappointed as I was in the parts of JHS' game that I knew were weaknesses (non-shooter, can't self-create, terrible around the basket)...
...I was even more disappointed in his lack of playmaking/passing. He averaged 3 assists all summer league. And before anyone comes back with "he had terrible shooters around him" or some excuse like that one, may I remind you that 70+ players during this summer league averaged MORE! 70!
I saw no passes leading his man open. I saw no high-level passing of any kind. His lack of athleticism and his lack of breaking down a defender made it impossible for him to draw in another defender to hit an open man. |
Darius Garland was the starting pg with the worst assist stats iirc in his first season. Now, he is a damn good pg...so we shouldn't value JHS fr his sl play |
I was gonna say, wasn’t Garland one of the worst players in the league in his rookie year? Same with Ingram?
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| DancingBarry wrote: | I agree with parts of what you both have said. I actually thought he made some excellent high-level reads at times. He sees the floor well enough. I don’t think that’s an issue. In fact at his age, I’d say he’s ahead of the curve there for his age/experience. But as I mentioned, I think the lack of handle (beyond his large-handed inside-out dribble stuff) was really an area that impacted his ability to collapse the D and create open shots for others. That’s where I thought the playmaking suffered. I think he can fix that.
Give him some time. He does have some really intriguing potential if he puts in the work like a mad man (see Reaves, see Christie). |
Yea that's fair. I even thought he displayed more burst/ pace than I expected given the scouting pods I'd listened to, so it didn't even necessarily strike me as an athleticism deficit. I think in his athletic prime he'll probably rely on physicality to getting to his spots versus burst per se, but I just don't see him similar to DLO (whose lack of athleticism is definitely apparent).
I don't really have the eyes to evaluate handles tbh but I can see that being an issue right now. Personally, I love the idea of our high character/ strong work ethic rookie being ineffective because of skills work -- especially handles. I think that'll get fixed up with our staff. And I also feel unreasonably confident about his jumper given the form looks decent and the midrange/ FT numbers were solid in college.
Personally, my biggest offensive concern is probably how he strikes me as a real old school "ball in my hands" kind of point guard lacking the kind of off ball versatility of Reaves (and DLO) -- especially since defensively I have concerns about him at PoA |
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The God Particle
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | The long-shot guys I really REALLY wanted in the draft were gone at this point. Bufkin, Gradey, and Lively. I was really OK with a trade down for Nick Smith or Leonard Miller. Or a couple other guys who I thought were around this tier of player but better value later. Maybe the trade wasn’t there. JHS just never totally caught my eye from the start. There’s stats and all that too, but it was like when the Lakers drafted Kuz. I watched a couple minutes of clips and totally saw it. |
I had Leanord Miller ahead of JHS.
Was devastated when Keyonte's name came 1 pick ahead of ours. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| The God Particle wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | The long-shot guys I really REALLY wanted in the draft were gone at this point. Bufkin, Gradey, and Lively. I was really OK with a trade down for Nick Smith or Leonard Miller. Or a couple other guys who I thought were around this tier of player but better value later. Maybe the trade wasn’t there. JHS just never totally caught my eye from the start. There’s stats and all that too, but it was like when the Lakers drafted Kuz. I watched a couple minutes of clips and totally saw it. |
I had Leanord Miller ahead of JHS.
Was devastated when Keyonte's name came 1 pick ahead of ours. |
Stand by it in 2 years also
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The God Particle
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| matigol wrote: | | The God Particle wrote: | As disappointed as I was in the parts of JHS' game that I knew were weaknesses (non-shooter, can't self-create, terrible around the basket)...
...I was even more disappointed in his lack of playmaking/passing. He averaged 3 assists all summer league. And before anyone comes back with "he had terrible shooters around him" or some excuse like that one, may I remind you that 70+ players during this summer league averaged MORE! 70!
I saw no passes leading his man open. I saw no high-level passing of any kind. His lack of athleticism and his lack of breaking down a defender made it impossible for him to draw in another defender to hit an open man. |
Darius Garland was the starting pg with the worst assist stats iirc in his first season. Now, he is a damn good pg...so we shouldn't value JHS fr his sl play |
Darius Garland I don't think played in the summer leagues but he averaged a not-so-impressive 3.9 APG as a rookie in the big boys league. Which, if my math is right, is about 30% more assists in the big boys league than JHS had in the Summer league.
JHS had 3 assists, as the primary ball handler on this summer league team. 3. Three. Tres. |
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CamReddish
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| The God Particle wrote: | | matigol wrote: | | The God Particle wrote: | As disappointed as I was in the parts of JHS' game that I knew were weaknesses (non-shooter, can't self-create, terrible around the basket)...
...I was even more disappointed in his lack of playmaking/passing. He averaged 3 assists all summer league. And before anyone comes back with "he had terrible shooters around him" or some excuse like that one, may I remind you that 70+ players during this summer league averaged MORE! 70!
I saw no passes leading his man open. I saw no high-level passing of any kind. His lack of athleticism and his lack of breaking down a defender made it impossible for him to draw in another defender to hit an open man. |
Darius Garland was the starting pg with the worst assist stats iirc in his first season. Now, he is a damn good pg...so we shouldn't value JHS fr his sl play |
Darius Garland I don't think played in the summer leagues but he averaged a not-so-impressive 3.9 APG as a rookie in the big boys league. Which, if my math is right, is about 30% more assists in the big boys league than JHS had in the Summer league.
JHS had 3 assists, as the primary ball handler on this summer league team. 3. Three. Tres. |
As long as your math is comparing playing with summer league players opposed to real NBA players
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| CamReddish wrote: | | The God Particle wrote: | | matigol wrote: | | The God Particle wrote: | As disappointed as I was in the parts of JHS' game that I knew were weaknesses (non-shooter, can't self-create, terrible around the basket)...
...I was even more disappointed in his lack of playmaking/passing. He averaged 3 assists all summer league. And before anyone comes back with "he had terrible shooters around him" or some excuse like that one, may I remind you that 70+ players during this summer league averaged MORE! 70!
I saw no passes leading his man open. I saw no high-level passing of any kind. His lack of athleticism and his lack of breaking down a defender made it impossible for him to draw in another defender to hit an open man. |
Darius Garland was the starting pg with the worst assist stats iirc in his first season. Now, he is a damn good pg...so we shouldn't value JHS fr his sl play |
Darius Garland I don't think played in the summer leagues but he averaged a not-so-impressive 3.9 APG as a rookie in the big boys league. Which, if my math is right, is about 30% more assists in the big boys league than JHS had in the Summer league.
JHS had 3 assists, as the primary ball handler on this summer league team. 3. Three. Tres. |
As long as your math is comparing playing with summer league players opposed to real NBA players |
I stand by my point that there was very little to no playmaking/passing out of our 6'6" PG in the 30 minutes per game of being the primary ball handler. It doesn't matter what Darius did or didn't do in Summer League years ago.
(for the record, Darius Garland was my pick had the Lakers kept it that year) |
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| The God Particle wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | The God Particle wrote: | | matigol wrote: | | The God Particle wrote: | As disappointed as I was in the parts of JHS' game that I knew were weaknesses (non-shooter, can't self-create, terrible around the basket)...
...I was even more disappointed in his lack of playmaking/passing. He averaged 3 assists all summer league. And before anyone comes back with "he had terrible shooters around him" or some excuse like that one, may I remind you that 70+ players during this summer league averaged MORE! 70!
I saw no passes leading his man open. I saw no high-level passing of any kind. His lack of athleticism and his lack of breaking down a defender made it impossible for him to draw in another defender to hit an open man. |
Darius Garland was the starting pg with the worst assist stats iirc in his first season. Now, he is a damn good pg...so we shouldn't value JHS fr his sl play |
Darius Garland I don't think played in the summer leagues but he averaged a not-so-impressive 3.9 APG as a rookie in the big boys league. Which, if my math is right, is about 30% more assists in the big boys league than JHS had in the Summer league.
JHS had 3 assists, as the primary ball handler on this summer league team. 3. Three. Tres. |
As long as your math is comparing playing with summer league players opposed to real NBA players |
I stand by my point that there was very little to no playmaking/passing out of our 6'6" PG in the 30 minutes per game of being the primary ball handler. It doesn't matter what Darius did or didn't do in Summer League years ago.
(for the record, Darius Garland was my pick had the Lakers kept it that year) |
We won’t know for sure for a couple years down the road…everybody is just guessing at this point…but I felt at the time of the draft and feel it atm from summer league. I predict everyone else will feel it too…we should not have passed on Witmore…Fino won’t turn out to be a good pick. Hope I’m wrong.
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He's a hard worker and bust his ass for rotation minutes. He needs to ditch the vegan diet, but at least it says he's eating fish, so there might be hope for him yet.
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| Denny_Russo wrote: |
He's a hard worker and bust his ass for rotation minutes. He needs to ditch the vegan diet, but at least it says he's eating fish, so there might be hope for him yet. |
Works fine for Tom Brady, Daniel Bryan and Kyrie Irving.
I'm sure he's getting tons of protein from other sources as do many athletes on plant based diets, so don't worry.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: |
He's a hard worker and bust his ass for rotation minutes. He needs to ditch the vegan diet, but at least it says he's eating fish, so there might be hope for him yet. |
Works fine for Tom Brady, Daniel Bryan and Kyrie Irving.
I'm sure he's getting tons of protein from other sources as do many athletes on plant based diets, so don't worry. |
Vegan Diet also extended Chris Paul's career tremendously. |
It definitely has. I think people assume without meat they don't get enough protein or stuff meat provides. But there's plenty of resources to do so. Be it foods or powders or otherwise.
I do take a few days out of each week to primarily eat vegetarian or with plant based foods(Mediterranean cuisine ftw) 3-4 days or so out of the week depending on how I feel, and that works just fine. I personally can't do it for all 7 :3 But credit to anyone that can.
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Getting everything sharp. That’s definitely been a strong point and something that I’ve been really attacking every day.”
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