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| MJST wrote: | | governator wrote: | | He needs to keep the fro |
Just go full Kareem. |
Fro and sideburns? That’s MVP/DPOY/FMVP AD
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Worked with Chris Jent this summer? Let's go!!!
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AD might be the best rim protector in the league and he's elite in the post. He's clearly a center.
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Nah, he’s…
https://tenor.com/bb2pt.gif
Man,listen…just cause he can, doesn’t mean he should.
| Quote: | “I like playing the four,” Davis said, referring to power forward. “I’m not even going to sugarcoat it. I like playing the four. I don’t really like playing the five.”
"I trust Coach's decision," Davis said. "I mean, I'm pretty sure he heard A.D. wants to play the 4, so he knows where I stand, but at the end of the day, I want to win, so if that's me playing the 5, that's what it's got to be."
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Dude, you out of all people should understand how important it is to listen to the man. He’s said he wants to play the 4 and how important it is to the overall wear & tear on his body. Maybe we should all start listening to the man.
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You posted a quote of him saying he's a 5. He can play either position at a high level. As he ages he'll continue to get the bulk of his minutes at the 5 like the majority of guys in NBA history who played both positions.
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Man,read better 😜
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AD can’t be our 4 unless Lebron is out because Lebron isn’t a center and he can’t defend the wing well anymore. Do you give AD what he wants or do what’s best for the team? Easy answer.
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He’s been doing what’s best for the team…and I ain’t seeing multiple Finals appearances come of it.
So the better solution should be to look out for the guy that’s going to be here 4 the fourseeable future.
Bron ain’t chasing down Klay wing types all regular season. He’ll be alright playing & defending 3s from time to time. Meanwhile, AD needs to make sure he doesn’t continue to meet everybody at the rim…otherwise the bench is ready to greet.
We don’t got current personnel to do something about that now…but we should, ASAP.
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manlisten
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LeBron hasn't played small forward in 5 years. Whether he likes it or not, AD is an elite center.
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And AD at elite center and Bron at 4 has led to what exactly?
Exactly!
I ain’t saying Hoopshype is the be all end all in these discussions, but they do know something about ball….
https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rankings-top-24-small-forwards-2023-24-season-lebron-tatum-durant/
Bron is a point-forward, but there’s a reason he on this list and not the power forward one haha.
It’s wild that everybody sees it one way (including AD), yet our FO and some of our own fans c it another way.
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To say he's not a center doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You can have your own opinion about what's best for him or the team. And neither Lebron or KD has played SF in 5 seasons now so it doesn't really help to reference hoopshype.
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| manlisten wrote: | | To say he's not a center doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You can have your own opinion about what's best for him or the team. And neither Lebron or KD has played SF in 5 seasons now so it doesn't really help to reference hoopshype. |
We didn’t see Marc Gasol playing in the front court with AD, nor did Thomas Bryant get to play with AD. Injuries limited it but we also didn’t see Drummond or Mo Bamba. AD can be effective playing center, we’ve seen it, but the championship season had him playing mostly as a PF and AD said that is what he prefers.
Whether we as fans think he should or shouldn’t, the front office has done a poor job of giving him what he asked for and has done a poor job of replicating the formulae with AD that resulted in the most success regarding the ultimate goal of winning. There could be many factors and analysis as to why. The bottom line is that AD said it is what he wants, the team won the title giving that to him, the front office hasn’t given it to him since the title.
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | To say he's not a center doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You can have your own opinion about what's best for him or the team. And neither Lebron or KD has played SF in 5 seasons now so it doesn't really help to reference hoopshype. |
We didn’t see Marc Gasol playing in the front court with AD, nor did Thomas Bryant get to play with AD. Injuries limited it but we also didn’t see Drummond or Mo Bamba. AD can be effective playing center, we’ve seen it, but the championship season had him playing mostly as a PF and AD said that is what he prefers.
Whether we as fans think he should or shouldn’t, the front office has done a poor job of giving him what he asked for and has done a poor job of replicating the formulae with AD that resulted in the most success regarding the ultimate goal of winning. There could be many factors and analysis as to why. The bottom line is that AD said it is what he wants, the team won the title giving that to him, the front office hasn’t given it to him since the title. |
Point: AD isn't a center
Counterpoint: As a matter of fact, AD is an elite center
Your post is beside the point.
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Obviously it’s more nuanced…since it’s not one size fits all.
But the notion has been that dude can’t stay healthy and if our title aspirations hinge on his health, wouldn’t we do anything in our power to make dude more comfortable in getting to the finish line.
There is a reason McMenamin came out with this narrative once the Wood signing went thru. I just find it wild that they believe Wood/Hayes are those guys for AD. Any who, when the media pressed Rob & Ham at the presser about it, they really didn’t specify an answer. Im hoping it all works out for the best…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=aN4Ceba9w9MRKcVd&v=MEYGul7koL0&t=16m35s
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We've been thru this ad nauseum. You believe AD is more durable at PF although there's no real evidence to support that. If you're arguing that teams can't win with an elite center in the starting lineup I don't have anything to say about that.
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| I want him to win MVP and FMVP |
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| manlisten wrote: | | We've been thru this ad nauseum. You believe AD is more durable at PF although there's no real evidence to support that. If you're arguing that teams can't win with an elite center in the starting lineup I don't have anything to say about that. |
The evidence is what that grown ass man has been telling us for yearS now.
I’m arguing that a grown ass man that experiences running up & down and grinding with other grown ass men (pause) & prefers not to do that so much in the regular season. The responsible and smart thing to do is to honor that grown man’s request. He likes to play the 4 role….who the f are we to deny him that. You put him in the best position to help us achieve the chip. Yet we keep giving him ass.
And we keep giving it to him even after our GM said this when we first brought Browdie into the cut.
| Quote: | “I’ll just add to that too, when Anthony and I first started talking about the roster, he did say ‘hey, I’d love to have some fives that can bang with some length,’ and he’s 26. We want a decade of dominance out of him here,” Pelinka said. “We’ve got to do what’s best for his body, and having him bang against the biggest centers in the West every night is not what’s best for his body, the team, or the franchise.
We wanted to make sure to honor what Anthony asked for when we traded for him: To get some fives that he could play with.”
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Got a funny way of honoring that man’s request.
And fans call this roster deep…what a f’n joke. We forced to play dude at the 5, so how deep are we really?
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| manlisten wrote: | | We've been thru this ad nauseum. You believe AD is more durable at PF although there's no real evidence to support that. If you're arguing that teams can't win with an elite center in the starting lineup I don't have anything to say about that. |
AD was more durable when he had 4 months off and then a short season before the playoffs. I think the rest had more to do with it than the position he played.
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | We've been thru this ad nauseum. You believe AD is more durable at PF although there's no real evidence to support that. If you're arguing that teams can't win with an elite center in the starting lineup I don't have anything to say about that. |
The evidence is what that grown ass man has been telling us for yearS now.
I’m arguing that a grown ass man that experiences running up & down and grinding with other grown ass men (pause) & prefers not to do that so much in the regular season. The responsible and smart thing to do is to honor that grown man’s request. He likes to play the 4 role….who the f are we to deny him that. You put him in the best position to help us achieve the chip. Yet we keep giving him ass.
And we keep giving it to him even after our GM said this when we first brought Browdie into the cut.
| Quote: | “I’ll just add to that too, when Anthony and I first started talking about the roster, he did say ‘hey, I’d love to have some fives that can bang with some length,’ and he’s 26. We want a decade of dominance out of him here,” Pelinka said. “We’ve got to do what’s best for his body, and having him bang against the biggest centers in the West every night is not what’s best for his body, the team, or the franchise.
We wanted to make sure to honor what Anthony asked for when we traded for him: To get some fives that he could play with.”
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Got a funny way of honoring that man’s request.
And fans call this roster deep…what a f’n joke. We forced to play dude at the 5, so how deep are we really? |
Relax bro. He is a Center. Lol. He can't shoot
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | We've been thru this ad nauseum. You believe AD is more durable at PF although there's no real evidence to support that. If you're arguing that teams can't win with an elite center in the starting lineup I don't have anything to say about that. |
The evidence is what that grown ass man has been telling us for yearS now.
I’m arguing that a grown ass man that experiences running up & down and grinding with other grown ass men (pause) & prefers not to do that so much in the regular season. The responsible and smart thing to do is to honor that grown man’s request. He likes to play the 4 role….who the f are we to deny him that. You put him in the best position to help us achieve the chip. Yet we keep giving him ass.
And we keep giving it to him even after our GM said this when we first brought Browdie into the cut.
| Quote: | “I’ll just add to that too, when Anthony and I first started talking about the roster, he did say ‘hey, I’d love to have some fives that can bang with some length,’ and he’s 26. We want a decade of dominance out of him here,” Pelinka said. “We’ve got to do what’s best for his body, and having him bang against the biggest centers in the West every night is not what’s best for his body, the team, or the franchise.
We wanted to make sure to honor what Anthony asked for when we traded for him: To get some fives that he could play with.”
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Got a funny way of honoring that man’s request.
And fans call this roster deep…what a f’n joke. We forced to play dude at the 5, so how deep are we really? |
Perhaps AD shouldn't lobby for washed, scrub guards that can't shoot and turn the ball over incessantly for 50M then?
You know numbers.
Do you know that Rob involves Bron and AD in every signing? Because that's on the record.
And which big man were we supposed to acquire this off season to pair in the starting line up with him?
And what is it about Wood for nothing that you don't like?
And is it possible that AD is a DPOY candidate because he has space to control the paint?
In 2020, our bigs got us to the bubble and then AD played center throughout the POs and we dominated.
This is actually our deepest team. Deeper than 2020 or 2021.
So who is this magical unicorn we should have gotten to keep AD happy when he just signed a huge extension AND has input on literally every deal, even the bad ones he lobbies for?
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Even in the championship year, the best lineups all featured AD at center. He just posted a career high FG% playing full time center. It's his best position. People have to let that 2020 roster go. You're not going to find a 3x DPOY and Javale who is close to a Capela/Jarrett Allen shot blocker on minimum deals. The Lakers have cycled thru 10 centers since then and none have been good enough to move AD away from anchoring the paint. They're going to have to win a different way.
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| DA1 wrote: | | I want him to win MVP and FMVP |
As long as he’s Lebron’s teammate the MVP is unlikely
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When have we really opened up our checkbooks for the center position?
The most we spent is for Trez via the MLE & Mo via trade. Trez was a 6th man, undersized C and probably a solid done for Klutch, while Mo was coming off a suspension, then benched due to injury and was possibly prematurely let go for this upcoming season.
Beyond those two we have predominantly exploited the buyout market (Dwight, DJ, Drummond, Kieff) & have handed out only vet min deals or close to vet min amounts (Boogie, McGee got slightly more than 3m annually).
If we investing in AD’s health/longevity here, we sure got a bizarre way of showing it. We have yet to trade for starting capable C (see Myles) or have not invested heavily into a platoon of Cs that can safeguard AD from spending much time there during the regular season.
Our bubble run was the furthest we’ve gotten with our Bron/AD pairing. That outlier of a season had an unprecedented 4 month in-season pause before they wrapped it up with the playoffs. When the playoffs commenced, it was the furthest we would ever advance with AD looking fresh AF.
So we could either look at it as rest before the deep playoff run had more of a contributing factor or that a capable platoon of Cs in Dwight/McGee/Kieff helped shield AD from extra burn as we went through Denver/Joker or it was capable perimeter defenders in Green, KCP, AC, etc that provided enough PoA resistance so that AD wasn’t constantly put under duress when he played the C…or it was a combination of all of those things.
No matter how one chooses to look at it though, we won a chip when AD looked close to a 100%…he had his legs on his jumper and had enough mobility to be all over the defensive side of the floor. Whether that’s through extended rest/rehab (see last season’s run) or through an investment in the center spot and/or perimeter defenders, his health is what allows us to experience a legit shot at the title.
So after spending minimally yet again on Wood & Hayes, is that enough during the season to shield AD from putting in big minutes as our rim protector? I have my doubts, but I’m hoping for the best. I do believe tho that we most certainly would have helped our cause a whole lot more had we invested into the C position more.
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