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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | Travis Hunter taken to the local hospital. Out for the rest of the game. I think he is going ot have multiple broken ribs and will miss a significant amount of games. Shame on the officials for not ejecting blackbourne.
Hunter is a special player, he plays both ways and is one of the most talented receivers and most talented corners in the NCAA. |
That play was definitely Unsportsmanlike Conduct and a rough hit, but it wasn’t ejection territory. The fact that Hunter got hurt doesn’t change that. It’s not like it was targeting. |
Agree to disagree. The ball hit the ground a step before the defender hit him. It was 1,000% targeting. A total miss by the officiating crew. |
I completely agree with you. The ball had hit the ground, it was way, way late, and that's intent to injure, period. Colorado State may be the dirtiest football team I have ever seen. All game long, they were taking cheap shots at Colorado players. F them, F their gutless coach, and I'm genuinely glad that they lost. I think it's poetic justice that Colorado State's players acted like bullies all game, and then when it came time for an opportunity to win the game for Colorado State at the end of the first OT by going for 2 and the win, the coach took the gutless approach and kicked the PAT for the tie. And the correct analytical decision clearly would have been to go to for 2 and the win, since you have to go for 2-point conversions starting with the second OT anyway. They had the game in their hands right there, they could have determined the outcome, and especially with their best defensive player sent off for targeting, they should have tried to win it right there.
Gutless. Dirty. Reckless. Take your cheap-shot asses back to Fort Collins! |
Agree with all of that, but under the rules, not targeting. |
You're both right which is why targeting in the NCAA is so controversial.
| Quote: | Targeting definition
The 2019 edition of the NCAA rulebook defines targeting as "taking aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball."
More specifically, Rule 9, Section 1, Articles 3 and 4 define targeting this way:
"Targeting and Making Forcible Contact With the Crown of the Helmet
ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of his helmet. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul. ... |
I thought Colorada was done. Down 8 on their 2 yard line with a little over a minute to go.
Shedeur Sanders drives Colorado 98 yards in final minute to force overtime
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Sanders has said that he is some horses short of being a top team and he is correct, especially on the offensive and defensive lines. They have some talented skill players but need to beef up those lines.
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Jay Norvell put himself in an uncomfortable position. I heard him say Deion has a lot of critics but he's not one. Is that a walk back?
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I don’t think so, I think that comments leading up to the game were motivational.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | I don’t think so, I think that comments leading up to the game were motivational. |
Maybe but IMO a poor choice of words. He put Mama in it? | Quote: | | I told them, 'I took my hat off, and I took my glasses off.' And I said, 'When I talk to grown-ups, I take my hat and my glasses off.' That's what my mother taught me,” |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | Travis Hunter taken to the local hospital. Out for the rest of the game. I think he is going ot have multiple broken ribs and will miss a significant amount of games. Shame on the officials for not ejecting blackbourne.
Hunter is a special player, he plays both ways and is one of the most talented receivers and most talented corners in the NCAA. |
That play was definitely Unsportsmanlike Conduct and a rough hit, but it wasn’t ejection territory. The fact that Hunter got hurt doesn’t change that. It’s not like it was targeting. |
Agree to disagree. The ball hit the ground a step before the defender hit him. It was 1,000% targeting. A total miss by the officiating crew. |
I completely agree with you. The ball had hit the ground, it was way, way late, and that's intent to injure, period. Colorado State may be the dirtiest football team I have ever seen. All game long, they were taking cheap shots at Colorado players. F them, F their gutless coach, and I'm genuinely glad that they lost. I think it's poetic justice that Colorado State's players acted like bullies all game, and then when it came time for an opportunity to win the game for Colorado State at the end of the first OT by going for 2 and the win, the coach took the gutless approach and kicked the PAT for the tie. And the correct analytical decision clearly would have been to go to for 2 and the win, since you have to go for 2-point conversions starting with the second OT anyway. They had the game in their hands right there, they could have determined the outcome, and especially with their best defensive player sent off for targeting, they should have tried to win it right there.
Gutless. Dirty. Reckless. Take your cheap-shot asses back to Fort Collins! |
Agree with all of that, but under the rules, not targeting. |
Not "targeting" to the head area in that sense, but in the sense that he targeted the guy to hit him late and recklessly caused injury, yeah, I think it warranted an ejection. The ball was so far gone that the player never even thought to protect himself, because, well, why would you, the ball is gone, there's no further action to be taken. That's why it pissed me off so much. He was in such a defenseless position, the ball is gone, he can't protect himself, and the guy just runs in and levels him and injures him. |
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CSU's foul play seemed to be intended. I got the impression they were following the coach's orders. I blame Norvell for the dirty play. | Quote: | How many personal fouls did Colorado State have against Colorado?
The Rams finished the game with a staggering 187 yards in penalties, which is hard to even comprehend. I blame coach Norvell for the dirty play. The Rams got hit with ten personal fouls against CU, which really hindered them throughout the game. If CSU would have actually played a clean and disciplined game, they would've flat out won the game.1 day ago |
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| Travis Hunter of Colorado, who took that cheap shot, has a lacerated liver. There aren't enough adjectives to describe how much I hate Jay Norvell and Colorado State. There is no doubt in my mind that he told his players to go out and inflict damage to Colorado's players, all because he hated the coach. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Travis Hunter of Colorado, who took that cheap shot, has a lacerated liver. There aren't enough adjectives to describe how much I hate Jay Norvell and Colorado State. There is no doubt in my mind that he told his players to go out and inflict damage to Colorado's players, all because he hated the coach. |
A lacerated liver takes 2 to 4 months to heal. Could be 6 months if injuries are complex.
Norvell should be investigated. IMO he's a POS.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | Travis Hunter taken to the local hospital. Out for the rest of the game. I think he is going ot have multiple broken ribs and will miss a significant amount of games. Shame on the officials for not ejecting blackbourne.
Hunter is a special player, he plays both ways and is one of the most talented receivers and most talented corners in the NCAA. |
That play was definitely Unsportsmanlike Conduct and a rough hit, but it wasn’t ejection territory. The fact that Hunter got hurt doesn’t change that. It’s not like it was targeting. |
Agree to disagree. The ball hit the ground a step before the defender hit him. It was 1,000% targeting. A total miss by the officiating crew. |
I completely agree with you. The ball had hit the ground, it was way, way late, and that's intent to injure, period. Colorado State may be the dirtiest football team I have ever seen. All game long, they were taking cheap shots at Colorado players. F them, F their gutless coach, and I'm genuinely glad that they lost. I think it's poetic justice that Colorado State's players acted like bullies all game, and then when it came time for an opportunity to win the game for Colorado State at the end of the first OT by going for 2 and the win, the coach took the gutless approach and kicked the PAT for the tie. And the correct analytical decision clearly would have been to go to for 2 and the win, since you have to go for 2-point conversions starting with the second OT anyway. They had the game in their hands right there, they could have determined the outcome, and especially with their best defensive player sent off for targeting, they should have tried to win it right there.
Gutless. Dirty. Reckless. Take your cheap-shot asses back to Fort Collins! |
Agree with all of that, but under the rules, not targeting. |
Targeting comes up over 65 times in the NCAA rule book. They give specific examples of contact to the head, but that is not required
| Quote: | “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes
of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a
legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
• Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward
and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or
neck area
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with
forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet
are still on the ground
• Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack
with forcible contact at the head or neck area
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with
the crown of the helmet |
Targeting "means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes
of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a
legal block or playing the ball". It includes contact to the head but is not limited to it. The refs could've called targeting there with an ejection, it was in their powers.
They also couldve given him a flagrant foul
| Quote: | A flagrant personal foul is illegal physical contact so extreme or
deliberate that it places an opponent in danger of catastrophic injury. |
Travis Hunter ended up suffering a lasceration of the liver. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Travis Hunter of Colorado, who took that cheap shot, has a lacerated liver. There aren't enough adjectives to describe how much I hate Jay Norvell and Colorado State. There is no doubt in my mind that he told his players to go out and inflict damage to Colorado's players, all because he hated the coach. |
A lacerated liver takes 2 to 4 months to heal. Could be 6 months if injuries are complex.
Norvell should be investigated. IMO he's a POS. |
Apparently the player who took out Hunter for CSU is getting death threats.
Colorado Buffalo Fan is back in a big way this year, they aren't playing around.
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| jodeke wrote: |
Norvell should be investigated. IMO he's a POS. |
17 penalties for 182 yards on several dirty plays vs. Colorado and he was the one running his mouth about "manners" or whatever before the game.
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Could've sworn I read an article yesterday before the game about one the Rams players having a history of personal fouls and that there would be one in that game
CU player will miss USC Oregon Ducks and maybe more
Norvell with zero care that a player went to the hospital or that the players career hopes could have been ended that day |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Travis Hunter of Colorado, who took that cheap shot, has a lacerated liver. There aren't enough adjectives to describe how much I hate Jay Norvell and Colorado State. There is no doubt in my mind that he told his players to go out and inflict damage to Colorado's players, all because he hated the coach. |
A lacerated liver takes 2 to 4 months to heal. Could be 6 months if injuries are complex.
Norvell should be investigated. IMO he's a POS. |
Apparently the player who took out Hunter for CSU is getting death threats.
Colorado Buffalo Fan is back in a big way this year, they aren't playing around. |
I saw that. It was an obviously dirty hit exacerbated by the extent of Hunter’s injury, but that is just vile and inexcusable behavior even if it’s just someone blowing off steam. As for Buffalos fans, I have couple of friends who are CSU fans (an alum and a parent of a CSU student athlete) and to them, the CSU penalties were just tough football in a heated rivalry. Not agreeing with them, just pointing out the intensity of that rivalry.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: |
I saw that. It was an obviously dirty hit exacerbated by the extent of Hunter’s injury, but that is just vile and inexcusable behavior even if it’s just someone blowing off steam. As for Buffalos fans, I have couple of friends who are CSU fans (an alum and a parent of a CSU student athlete) and to them, the CSU penalties were just tough football in a heated rivalry. Not agreeing with them, just pointing out the intensity of that rivalry. |
Totally agree that the death threats are vile and inexcusable, get a grip Buffalo Fan.
That said, that was a really dirty late hit and the fact that it injured such a great player with a serious injury is not cool at all.
Norvell had his team ready to play for sure, but I think he and his team may have crossed the line of sportsmanship here. It was an amazing game, Colorado is must see TV right now.
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
I saw that. It was an obviously dirty hit exacerbated by the extent of Hunter’s injury, but that is just vile and inexcusable behavior even if it’s just someone blowing off steam. As for Buffalos fans, I have couple of friends who are CSU fans (an alum and a parent of a CSU student athlete) and to them, the CSU penalties were just tough football in a heated rivalry. Not agreeing with them, just pointing out the intensity of that rivalry. |
Totally agree that the death threats are vile and inexcusable, get a grip Buffalo Fan.
That said, that was a really dirty late hit and the fact that it injured such a great player with a serious injury is not cool at all.
Norvell had his team ready to play for sure, but I think he and his team may have crossed the line of sportsmanship here. It was an amazing game, Colorado is must see TV right now. |
They crossed the line. I'm 46, I've been watching football closely for well over 30 years, and I'm telling you, I've never seen a dirtier football team for one particular game. Never. My dad is 81. I asked him if he saw the game, thinking maybe he didn't because it was on kind of late. He replied that he stayed up to watch it and he agreed with me that he had never seen a team go so far over the line like that. Keep in mind, in different eras, football was certainly vicious with how guys hit other guys and the way they tackled, but it was legal then. But in this era, the way everyone is so clear about player safety (well, as much as you can be with an inherently violent sport), I thought it was very apparent how far over the line they were consistently going. They were trying to hurt people out there, not just make tackles. |
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Colorado getting run out of the building by Oregon. 28-0
Colorado might end up with at least 3+ losses when this season is said and done.
Guess they gonna have to build an O-line. |
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| They weren't going undefeated the fact that Colorado won more than 1 game this season is already a success. |
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| 42-0. Oregon sending that message loud and clear. Another serving of humble pie will probably be served next week when Colorado plays USC. |
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How HORRIBLE was TCU?!?!
This looks like a D3 team vs a P5 team.
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| jonnybravo wrote: | How HORRIBLE was TCU?!?!
This looks like a D3 team vs a P5 team. |
Their unranked so I'm guessing they are not close to where they were last year. The other 2 wins look like wins against below average teams now. I lost count how many times Shadeur has gotten sacked. I'm guessing Oregon is going for some sort of record. |
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Colorado has a total of TWO tackles as a team today, both sacks.
TCU may not be very good, or they just slept on Colorado. |
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| Basketball Fan wrote: | | They weren't going undefeated the fact that Colorado won more than 1 game this season is already a success. |
They have a legit schedule. I think their preseason over/under was 3.5 games. But after beating TCU, sports shows started debating will they win either 9 games or 8 games this season. I think that’s showing to be an over reaction. |
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| In other Pac-12 news, UCLA lost to Utah 14-7, although the game wasn't really that close as the final score indicates. |
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