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Nash Vegas
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 Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:28 pm Post subject: Playmaker in Starting 5 may need to come off the Bench … A-Reaves? |
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Our starters have 3 playmakers already in Bron, Dlo, and AR.
Our bench has 0 playmakers unless you count JHS, but Gabe is not a playmaker, he’s a chucker ala Chucky Atkins.
One solution, have AR come off the bench to lead the 2nd unit as their primary playmaker where he will also get a lot more touches than he has with the starters.
Lakers can start bigger having TP play the 2 and either Rui or Vando at the 3.
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Clark Kent
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Playmaker in Starting 5 may need to come off the Bench … A-Reaves? |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: |
Lakers can start bigger having TP play the 2 and either Rui or Vando at the 3. |
I like the idea of Lakers going bigger. Lakers should be out-rebounding the smaller teams by a wide margin, it shouldn’t even be close.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Agreed, it's our starting backcourt ithe reason we struggle so early in the games. They keep getting hunted. |
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You have to shoot the ball to be called a chucker. Gabe did not want any part of the big shots tonight. Saw him pass out multiple wide open shots the last couple games.
AR look like he’s tired from playing in the usa team. He also always been a slow starter similar to last season.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Been saying AR needs to be a “super-sub” for those same reasons. He then gets rewarded over DLo in closing out games that are left to be decided, since he’s a better overall defender than DLo (ie closing 5 should be Reaves, Prince, Bron, Vando, AD imho).
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Ham said as much tonight when he inferred he needs to take a deeper dive into his rotations.
We are so deep that Ham is trying to play everyone. But what he needs to do is figure out which players meshes well with what lineups not just throwing out players and see what sticks.
This is why I was very annoyed when Ham was playing lineups in the preseason he knows he’ll never use, he didn’t take advantage of that free time to learn his players and lineups.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| If things stayed the same for 10-15 games, then yes, AR should go to the bench |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:00 am Post subject: |
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too much offense, not enough defense and other "little things"
no one saw that coming.
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Russell is the better assist guy by the way. His ego wont allow him to play off the bench though.
Reaves
Prince
Vando
Bron
Davis
far better balance in the starting line up |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| I’d send Dangelo to the bench. |
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One of the things I saw last season was that both Russell and Reaves are best at PG. I know a bunch of people disagree. I think they maximize their size at this position and don't cripple us as much defensively. With Vando in the line up they can co-exist, but until he comes back one should come off the bench and the person that comes in needs to be a big defender. Maybe something like
Russell/Reaves
Prince
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Yeah we need more size/defense/rebounding in the starting unit, either Vando or Rui needs to be out there or if you want to go bigger start Wood next to AD and slide everyone down
Wood has shown some signs rebounding we might need to use him more |
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Trading DLo should solve this
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Kerr is now finally bringing CP3 off the bench, worked wonderfully.
I’m starting to like the idea of Reaves being our Ginobili off the bench, someone who can create his own shots and for his teammates. Closer too.
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I remember Reaves didn't play at the start of last season and I remember myself saying I was disappointed and worried he was a fluke.
If you are losing games to good teams with half your team playing like garbage, then it's a matter of time before that corrects itself.
They need to cut Bron's minutes when they play the bottom half of the league. If he plays 39 minutes, he's going to break down. |
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| Reaves has not looked like any kind of playmaker to start the season. He seemingly made every right decision last season; well, it's seems like he's been cursed because he's been making every wrong decision so far this season. It's been so bad I'm shocked when his passes aren't deflected or intercepted. He might need to be benched just to see if he can get it going against some weaker comp until he shakes off whatever is going on with him right now. |
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| defense wrote: | Russell is the better assist guy by the way. His ego wont allow him to play off the bench though.
Reaves
Prince
Vando
Bron
Davis
far better balance in the starting line up |
That's a lot of playmaking responsibility on Year 21 Bron. I suspect this is why Ham is matching DLO's minutes with Bron.
Playoffs will make it easier when Bron takes a more active role. I think your proposed lineup (replace Vando with Rui potentially) makes a lot more sense in the playoffs 4Q when LeBron takes a more active playmaking role. |
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Nash Vegas
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Not for Reddish! Damn u Ham, please prove me wrong though.
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AR off the bench was the right move, still not sure if Cam should start but he did play well tonight.
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | AR off the bench was the right move, still not sure if Cam should start but he did play well tonight. |
Well? More like amazing! |
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | Been saying AR needs to be a “super-sub” for those same reasons. He then gets rewarded over DLo in closing out games that are left to be decided, since he’s a better overall defender than DLo (ie closing 5 should be Reaves, Prince, Bron, Vando, AD imho). |
| Quote: | Mike Trudell @LakersReporter
Darvin Ham on Reaves after the lineup switch, citing the Spurs: “Everyone knew Manu (Ginobili) was a starter - it was more about balancing the units. (Austin) still played 35 minutes. His minutes weren’t going to go down; he’s gonna finish the game. He was huge down the stretch.”
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Aka “super-sub” and that closing unit was Reaves-Prince-Cam (in place of Vando)-Bron-AD
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | vasashi17+ wrote: | | Been saying AR needs to be a “super-sub” for those same reasons. He then gets rewarded over DLo in closing out games that are left to be decided, since he’s a better overall defender than DLo (ie closing 5 should be Reaves, Prince, Bron, Vando, AD imho). |
| Quote: | Mike Trudell @LakersReporter
Darvin Ham on Reaves after the lineup switch, citing the Spurs: “Everyone knew Manu (Ginobili) was a starter - it was more about balancing the units. (Austin) still played 35 minutes. His minutes weren’t going to go down; he’s gonna finish the game. He was huge down the stretch.”
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Aka “super-sub” and that closing unit was Reaves-Prince-Cam (in place of Vando)-Bron-AD |
I like one of Vando-Cam tandeming with one of DLo-Reaves, let these stud wing d up whoever star guard/wing. But I like Rui over Prince, he can board/switched to big better
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Playmaker in Starting 5 may need to come off the Bench … A-Reaves? |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | Our starters have 3 playmakers already in Bron, Dlo, and AR.
Our bench has 0 playmakers unless you count JHS, but Gabe is not a playmaker, he’s a chucker ala Chucky Atkins.
One solution, have AR come off the bench to lead the 2nd unit as their primary playmaker where he will also get a lot more touches than he has with the starters.
Lakers can start bigger having TP play the 2 and either Rui or Vando at the 3. |
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