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Nonamehero
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 Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:28 pm Post subject: Coaching matters more and more now in the NBA |
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I have to say to all the fellow Lakers fans who are still hoping for a championship this year.
I don't want you all to be disappointed, but there is 0 chance of that happening with Ham as HC.
Don't get me wrong, we have a good enough roster this year to compete, I even have to say we are one of the most well-rounded teams roster-wise this year.
But with so much analytics these days, players being more athletic, and the floor being so stretched, coaching rotation, and scheme have started to matter more and more now.
You now have the best player in the league (Jokic) who is not really dominating people 1v1, but more dominating in a team-oriented fashion.
Look at the 2 coaches that I said we should have tried to get last year and fire Ham(Udoka and Nick Nurse), their rosters aren't that good, but their team is playing way beyond expectation.
The days of superstars carrying the team with a stupid coach are over. You won't see bad coaches like Doc River, Tyronn Lue, Steven Nash, Bud, and Ham etc last much longer, they will get exposed very fast.
2021 was probably the last time you will see 2 crap coaches going head to head in the final, and that was mainly due to injuries to other teams that paved the way for the 2 teams. |
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ThreePointBomber
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Coaching matters more and more now in the NBA |
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| Nonamehero wrote: | I have to say to all the fellow Lakers fans who are still hoping for a championship this year.
I don't want you all to be disappointed, but there is 0 chance of that happening with Ham as HC.
Don't get me wrong, we have a good enough roster this year to compete, I even have to say we are one of the most well-rounded teams roster-wise this year.
But with so much analytics these days, players being more athletic, and the floor being so stretched, coaching rotation, and scheme have started to matter more and more now.
You now have the best player in the league (Jokic) who is not really dominating people 1v1, but more dominating in a team-oriented fashion.
Look at the 2 coaches that I said we should have tried to get last year and fire Ham(Udoka and Nick Nurse), their rosters aren't that good, but their team is playing way beyond expectation.
The days of superstars carrying the team with a stupid coach are over. You won't see bad coaches like Doc River, Tyronn Lue, Steven Nash, Bud, and Ham etc last much longer, they will get exposed very fast.
2021 was probably the last time you will see 2 crap coaches going head to head in the final, and that was mainly due to injuries to other teams that paved the way for the 2 teams. |
I heavily disagree.
Generational talent > anything.
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lakersfever714
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Vogel beat the Nuggets and won a championship with a healthy Bron and AD while Ham didn't. Ham is barely scraping by against below average teams even with Bron and AD healthy. During Vogel's first year, when AD was this healthy, we were in total domination. We knew we would win the game. It was just a matter of by how many points.
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Brawn13
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Vogel beat the Nuggets and won a championship with a healthy Bron and AD while Ham didn't. Ham is barely scraping by against below average teams even with Bron and AD healthy. During Vogel's first year, when AD was this healthy, we were in total domination. We knew we would win the game. It was just a matter of by how many points. |
Coaching matters for sure. But let’s not pretend Lebron was close to 100% last playoffs. Also 2020 Lebron and AD > 2023 Lebron and AD. And we can’t pretend that Jokic didn’t get significantly better since 2020 either.
2023 Nuggets vs 2020 Lakers is a toss up |
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ThePageDude
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Vogel beat the Nuggets and won a championship with a healthy Bron and AD while Ham didn't. Ham is barely scraping by against below average teams even with Bron and AD healthy. During Vogel's first year, when AD was this healthy, we were in total domination. We knew we would win the game. It was just a matter of by how many points. |
Coaching matters for sure. But let’s not pretend Lebron was close to 100% last playoffs. Also 2020 Lebron and AD > 2023 Lebron and AD. And we can’t pretend that Jokic didn’t get significantly better since 2020 either.
2023 Nuggets vs 2020 Lakers is a toss up |
Also ignores key roster differences between those 2 years: Bruce Brown, KCP |
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RI Laker
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| Coaching matters when you have the talent. Unfortunately, we are deficient in both if the end goal is to win a championship. We are entertaining (for now) but are playing with house money considering age/health of our big 2. |
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kfkilla
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | Coaching matters when you have the talent. Unfortunately, we are deficient in both if the end goal is to win a championship. We are entertaining (for now) but are playing with house money considering age/health of our big 2. |
I think we have enough talent. Ham hasn’t figured out what to do with AD hard doubles on the catch since Nurse exposed AD/Ham last April. That is an epic failure of coaching and or player capability. I don’t think AD is that dumb. Feels like there is just not enough attention given to how to scheme around that issue. Hams solution has been to try to give AD the ball on the move or involve him in pick and roles, or just not give him the ball. These are all tricks in an attempt at to avoid the issue, when in fact getting double teamed is exactly what you should want as a coach. Specially when the guy getting double teamed is almost 7 feet tall with a 7-6 wingspan. We should be carving teams up. What should be a huge advantage has become a disadvantage. Thats a coaching issue. |
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RI Laker
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| kfkilla wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | Coaching matters when you have the talent. Unfortunately, we are deficient in both if the end goal is to win a championship. We are entertaining (for now) but are playing with house money considering age/health of our big 2. |
I think we have enough talent. Ham hasn’t figured out what to do with AD hard doubles on the catch since Nurse exposed AD/Ham last April. That is an epic failure of coaching and or player capability. I don’t think AD is that dumb. Feels like there is just not enough attention given to how to scheme around that issue. Hams solution has been to try to give AD the ball on the move or involve him in pick and roles, or just not give him the ball. These are all tricks in an attempt at to avoid the issue, when in fact getting double teamed is exactly what you should want as a coach. Specially when the guy getting double teamed is almost 7 feet tall with a 7-6 wingspan. We should be carving teams up. What should be a huge advantage has become a disadvantage. Thats a coaching issue. |
Not disagreeing with you, but I think Ham's biggest weakness is his rotations. His yo yo impact with PT is a kick in the nuts for guys trying to get into a groove. Unfortunately, I have not seen any development or progression in his coaching. |
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