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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:29 am    Post subject:

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The Return of 2020 LeBron “King of Assists” James


2020 was the season LeBron led the league in Assists which also coincided with a Championship.

This team at least offensively is more versatile than 2020, LeBron could easily lead the league in assists again, and possibly unlock the full potential of this team… maybe a chip too.


Lebron isn’t top 5 in assists.

We used to rely on LeBron to be the sole engine of the offense. His assist rate in 2020 was nearly 50%, which is insane. Still high at 42% the following year. Then we got Westbrook and now he's playing so much more offball with lower time of possession and less touches.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:30 am    Post subject:

Clark Kent wrote:
I think there’s something here:

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The Return of 2020 LeBron “King of Assists” James


2020 was the season LeBron led the league in Assists which also coincided with a Championship.

This team at least offensively is more versatile than 2020, LeBron could easily lead the league in assists again, and possibly unlock the full potential of this team… maybe a chip too.


Too late to lead the league in assists now, but I do like Magic version of LeBron more than I do MJ version.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:43 am    Post subject:

Post Super Bowl made me realize Lebron has been to the finals 10 times but has never been part of a dynasty like Patrick Maholmes.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:28 am    Post subject:

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Post Super Bowl made me realize Lebron has been to the finals 10 times but has never been part of a dynasty like Patrick Maholmes.


And yet LeBron has been to the Super Bowl more than Mahomes.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:05 am    Post subject:

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Post Super Bowl made me realize Lebron has been to the finals 10 times but has never been part of a dynasty like Patrick Maholmes.


Because LeBron chose LeBron and not a team his entire career. To his credit he’s the first to leave a legacy in this way, but to me it feels kind of cheap and not as legendary.
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kfkilla wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Post Super Bowl made me realize Lebron has been to the finals 10 times but has never been part of a dynasty like Patrick Maholmes.


Because LeBron chose LeBron and not a team his entire career. To his credit he’s the first to leave a legacy in this way, but to me it feels kind of cheap and not as legendary.


That's one way to look at it. The other is that he went to three different franchises, all of whom fielded bad teams in the years before he arrived, and won them a championship within 2 seasons of his arrival. And one of those championships came for a city that had never won and a franchise that squandered the first seven years of his career with atrocious management. Not every player can be blessed to start his career with a great coach, GM, and ownership. And regardless of which team he was on, his decade as the consensus best player in the sport is only matched by two other players - Kareem and Jordan. Which is why most neutral analysts have them as the three greatest players ever in some order (for me it's 1. Jordan 2. Kareem 3. LeBron). That's legendary enough.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:19 pm    Post subject:

https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ap58cm/stein_two_mystery_teams_believe_that_lebron_james/
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:46 pm    Post subject:

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Post Super Bowl made me realize Lebron has been to the finals 10 times but has never been part of a dynasty like Patrick Maholmes.


What about the HEAT? Back to back championships and four consecutive finals appearances.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:13 pm    Post subject:

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Post Super Bowl made me realize Lebron has been to the finals 10 times but has never been part of a dynasty like Patrick Mahomes.


What about the HEAT? Back to back championships and four consecutive finals appearances.


Need at least three championships within five years to be considered a dynasty.

Larry Bird, Celtics - 1981, 1984, 1986 (3 in 6 years)
Magic Johnson, Lakers - 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988 (3 in 4 years, 5 in 9 years)
Michael Jordan, Bulls - 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998 (3 in 3 years, 6 in 8 years)
Kobe Bryant, Lakers - 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010 (3 in 3 years, 5 in 11 years)
Tim Duncan, Spurs - 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2014 (3 in 5 years, 5 in 16 years)
Steph Curry, Warriors - 2015, 2017, 2018, 2022 (3 in 4 years, 4 in 8 years)

Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs - 2019, 2022, 2023 (3 in 5 years)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:38 pm    Post subject:

JUST-MING wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Post Super Bowl made me realize Lebron has been to the finals 10 times but has never been part of a dynasty like Patrick Mahomes.


What about the HEAT? Back to back championships and four consecutive finals appearances.


Need at least three championships within five years to be considered a dynasty.

Larry Bird, Celtics - 1981, 1984, 1986 (3 in 6 years)
Magic Johnson, Lakers - 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988 (3 in 4 years, 5 in 9 years)
Michael Jordan, Bulls - 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998 (3 in 3 years, 6 in 8 years)
Kobe Bryant, Lakers - 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010 (3 in 3 years, 5 in 11 years)
Tim Duncan, Spurs - 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2014 (3 in 5 years, 5 in 16 years)
Steph Curry, Warriors - 2015, 2017, 2018, 2022 (3 in 4 years, 4 in 8 years)

Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs - 2019, 2022, 2023 (3 in 5 years)


2012,2013,2016 3 out of 7 with 6 straight finals at that time, not sure how to define it but that’s pretty good lol
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:41 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Post Super Bowl made me realize Lebron has been to the finals 10 times but has never been part of a dynasty like Patrick Mahomes.


What about the HEAT? Back to back championships and four consecutive finals appearances.


Need at least three championships within five years to be considered a dynasty.

Larry Bird, Celtics - 1981, 1984, 1986 (3 in 6 years)
Magic Johnson, Lakers - 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988 (3 in 4 years, 5 in 9 years)
Michael Jordan, Bulls - 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998 (3 in 3 years, 6 in 8 years)
Kobe Bryant, Lakers - 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010 (3 in 3 years, 5 in 11 years)
Tim Duncan, Spurs - 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2014 (3 in 5 years, 5 in 16 years)
Steph Curry, Warriors - 2015, 2017, 2018, 2022 (3 in 4 years, 4 in 8 years)

Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs - 2019, 2022, 2023 (3 in 5 years)


2012,2013,2016 3 out of 7 with 6 straight finals at that time, not sure how to define it but that’s pretty good lol


Getting there is only remembered when we are talking about the winners.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:43 pm    Post subject:

He’s no Kobe but Bron has 4 finals MVP and been to the finals more than 26 teams, maybe dynastic-ish?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:08 pm    Post subject:

I don't think Bron ever had a dynastic team.

Heat were 2-2 in the finals.

Cavs were 1 and like 50, but that 1 was really impressive that it made Warriors get KD.

Then that 1 with Lakers, that I think had we found a way to keep that team together, maybe Lakers win more?

Bron's resume is great. When he retires, you only remember the wins, mixed with his highlights.
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Outspoken wrote:
governator wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Post Super Bowl made me realize Lebron has been to the finals 10 times but has never been part of a dynasty like Patrick Mahomes.


What about the HEAT? Back to back championships and four consecutive finals appearances.


Need at least three championships within five years to be considered a dynasty.

Larry Bird, Celtics - 1981, 1984, 1986 (3 in 6 years)
Magic Johnson, Lakers - 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988 (3 in 4 years, 5 in 9 years)
Michael Jordan, Bulls - 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998 (3 in 3 years, 6 in 8 years)
Kobe Bryant, Lakers - 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010 (3 in 3 years, 5 in 11 years)
Tim Duncan, Spurs - 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2014 (3 in 5 years, 5 in 16 years)
Steph Curry, Warriors - 2015, 2017, 2018, 2022 (3 in 4 years, 4 in 8 years)

Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs - 2019, 2022, 2023 (3 in 5 years)


2012,2013,2016 3 out of 7 with 6 straight finals at that time, not sure how to define it but that’s pretty good lol


Getting there is only remembered when we are talking about the winners.


Lebron James, Heat 2012, 2013 (only won 2)
Lebron James, Cavaliers 2016 (only won 1)
Lebron James, Lakers 2020 (only won 1)

If we win back to back in 2024, 2025 then he might be able to claim a dynasty (3 in 6 years).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:54 pm    Post subject:

Cyberfreak444 wrote:
kfkilla wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Post Super Bowl made me realize Lebron has been to the finals 10 times but has never been part of a dynasty like Patrick Maholmes.


Because LeBron chose LeBron and not a team his entire career. To his credit he’s the first to leave a legacy in this way, but to me it feels kind of cheap and not as legendary.


That's one way to look at it. The other is that he went to three different franchises, all of whom fielded bad teams in the years before he arrived, and won them a championship within 2 seasons of his arrival. And one of those championships came for a city that had never won and a franchise that squandered the first seven years of his career with atrocious management. Not every player can be blessed to start his career with a great coach, GM, and ownership. And regardless of which team he was on, his decade as the consensus best player in the sport is only matched by two other players - Kareem and Jordan. Which is why most neutral analysts have them as the three greatest players ever in some order (for me it's 1. Jordan 2. Kareem 3. LeBron). That's legendary enough.


Anyone who is truely non biased has those 3 has the top 3 of all time.

For me its 1. Kareem 2. Bron. Jordan.

But all 3 are really interchangeable.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:54 pm    Post subject:

Zillethai wrote:
Cyberfreak444 wrote:
kfkilla wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Post Super Bowl made me realize Lebron has been to the finals 10 times but has never been part of a dynasty like Patrick Maholmes.


Because LeBron chose LeBron and not a team his entire career. To his credit he’s the first to leave a legacy in this way, but to me it feels kind of cheap and not as legendary.


That's one way to look at it. The other is that he went to three different franchises, all of whom fielded bad teams in the years before he arrived, and won them a championship within 2 seasons of his arrival. And one of those championships came for a city that had never won and a franchise that squandered the first seven years of his career with atrocious management. Not every player can be blessed to start his career with a great coach, GM, and ownership. And regardless of which team he was on, his decade as the consensus best player in the sport is only matched by two other players - Kareem and Jordan. Which is why most neutral analysts have them as the three greatest players ever in some order (for me it's 1. Jordan 2. Kareem 3. LeBron). That's legendary enough.


Anyone who is truely non biased has those 3 has the top 3 of all time.

For me its 1. Kareem 2. Bron. Jordan.

But all 3 are really interchangeable.


"Most neutral analysts". "Anyone who is truley non biased".

AKA "Anybody who's opinion matches up with mine."
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:36 pm    Post subject:

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LeBron said he will NOT play tomorrow night in Utah on the second night of the back-to-back.


I have no problem with a 39 year old that plays 30+ minutes a game not playing back to backs. I do wish they planned it better.

Why not sit out the game vs the worst team in the NBA? And play vs the team that is 2 games behind us? Especially since there is such much rest during this all star break after the Jazz game.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:37 pm    Post subject:

There is and isn’t that much rest at the break. For your average guy yes. The league is going to have Bron at every presser, nba cares event, and thing for them because that’s pretty much his role as an ambassador for the sport which no one else has aside from basically Steph
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:38 pm    Post subject:

LeSigh

Was curious about why Prince's minutes were down tonight, now we know why so he can go 35+ in Bron's stead.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:39 pm    Post subject:

Yeah tonight was the game to miss, I know Jazz traded Fontecchio and Olynyk but they’re still a more than capable team

I assume we’ll see a DLo/Reaves/TP/Rui/AD starting five tomorrow
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:42 pm    Post subject:

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LeSigh

Was curious about why Prince's minutes were down tonight, now we know why so he can go 35+ in Bron's stead.


Also explains why Bron played and AD say out the whole 4th even when they came back some. Russell also sat and got capped at 30.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:48 pm    Post subject:

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LeSigh

Was curious about why Prince's minutes were down tonight, now we know why so he can go 35+ in Bron's stead.


Also explains why Bron played and AD say out the whole 4th even when they came back some. Russell also sat and got capped at 30.


Yeah no cap for our short 8 man rotation tomorrow certainly, if the game goes south hopefully Ham opens the bench so nothing risky happens to AD over exerting himself carrying the team on his back.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:53 am    Post subject:

MookieBetts50 wrote:
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Was curious about why Prince's minutes were down tonight, now we know why so he can go 35+ in Bron's stead.


Yeah, I was also curious why LeBron played over half the fourth quarter while AD sat out the entire quarter. Now we know why — LeBron was already planning to sit out the Utah game.

I’m curious if he is going to travel with the team to Utah or simply stay in LA to rest up before traveling to Indiana for the all star game. (If he's going to stay in LA, that could explain why he is sitting out the Utah game — less travel. Plus maybe he wanted to be on the court during Dinwiddie's first game.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:45 am    Post subject:

https://x.com/thedukeofsports/status/1757652084630106116?s=46&t=LZLzjVPmosqPbICOlCZLnQ

Oh so the same thing he does every season

The most predictable book in the history of books…LePlayBook

Don’t play for your team because you have to heal/rest up but you will never dare miss the meaningless all-star game. This goes back to that question posed in the other thread, can the Lakers get into a top 6 seed and the answer is no, because of LeShenanigans.

At least Davis has stepped up and been way more available this season (knock on Christian Wood).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:07 am    Post subject:

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ESPN Story with @RamonaShelburne: Over a 24-hour window prior to trade deadline that included owner to owner conversations, the Warriors made an unsuccessful bid to convince the Lakers and LeBron James to consider a trade to pair him with Stephen Curry.


https://x.com/wojespn/status/1757750023813542324?s=46

Interesting that LeBron wasn’t supportive either.
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