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Hanging from Rafters
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Look, I’m so fracking sick of defending Dlo, he ain’t all that. I was so disgusted last year in the Denver series and game 3 this year that I wanted to dismiss him on the spot. Then, I looked at and analyzed his games, and realized that he actually has played significantly better in the post season than I thought, with BKN, Min, and the Lakers. I challenge anyone to do the same, and no, listening to what other fans have to say doesn’t count, look for yourself. We may not have beaten Mem or GSW last year without Dlo and he cooked NOP this year too, all IN THE POST SEASON.
I’d prefer a defensive upgrade too, but what I see is that it’s clear if we switch Dlo out we need to be mindful of what he contributed so that there is a plan to compensate for what is lost. And I don’t want the Westbrook fiasco to end up being Kuzma/KCP/Trez + 2FRPs for just Vando, which is what it would be if Dlo isn’t signed and walks for nothing.
At minimum we need his salary for a future trade and the ceiling is a ship with the right pieces on the team. Considering how bad Dlo/AR/Rui were at times, how bad the coaching was, and how many injuries, they still look promising winning a lot of games. They even played reasonable well enough in most games this post season such that being stuck with our cap situation it makes more sense to sign him instead of letting him walk for nothing.
That’s it for me, flame away at Dlo, I’m done with it. I don’t think any of it will matter anyway.
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | Look, I’m so fracking sick of defending Dlo, he ain’t all that. I was so disgusted last year in the Denver series and game 3 this year that I wanted to dismiss him on the spot. Then, I looked at and analyzed his games, and realized that he actually has played significantly better in the post season than I thought, with BKN, Min, and the Lakers. I challenge anyone to do the same, and no, listening to what other fans have to say doesn’t count, look for yourself. [b]We may not have beaten Mem or GSW last year without Dlo and he cooked NOP this year too, all IN THE POST SEASON. [/b]
I’d prefer a defensive upgrade too, but what I see is that it’s clear if we switch Dlo out we need to be mindful of what he contributed so that there is a plan to compensate for what is lost. And I don’t want the Westbrook fiasco to end up being Kuzma/KCP/Trez + 2FRPs for just Vando, which is what it would be if Dlo isn’t signed and walks for nothing.
At minimum we need his salary for a future trade and the ceiling is a ship with the right pieces on the team. Considering how bad Dlo/AR/Rui were at times, how bad the coaching was, and how many injuries, they still look promising winning a lot of games. They even played reasonable well enough in most games this post season such that being stuck with our cap situation it makes more sense to sign him instead of letting him walk for nothing.
That’s it for me, flame away at Dlo, I’m done with it. I don’t think any of it will matter anyway. |
This isn't true. He has not had more good games than bad games in the playoffs. If this was the case his playoff averages wouldn't be as low as they are. He is one of the most inefficient playoff players in like the last 30 years with his volume. In the top 10 worst TS% when accounting for volume. Also, in the playoffs, if he isn't hitting shots, what else does he really bring?
1) Nets vs. Philly. You can give him a pass for this since he was in his 4th season and was the number 1 option of the team. He didn't play well. Was very inefficient. The physicality of Simmons really bothered him. Simmons was a top defender during this time. However, it showed playoff physicality/length could really take him out the game pretty easily.
2) Minnesota. He was awful. Got embarrassed by Memphis, especially Dillon Brooks who once again showed physicality takes Dlo out very easily. Gradually they put Brooks on Ant, but at this point Dlo's confidence was in the gutter. He got benched for Jordan McLaughlin
3) Lakers 2023-Got benched in the play in game. Did well against Memphis and GSW. I feel like it gets overstated how "well" he played in both those series. His reputation prior to that was so low in terms of the playoffs that his play gets exaggerated. He had plenty of stinkers between these two series. Then he proceeds to say Minnesota held him back. This was because he was feeling himself for having a solid playoff run so far. And then Denver happened. The irony.
4) Lakers 2024-He wasn't good against Denver again. Simple as that.
It's no knock against Dlo, but I think the evidence is clear he isn't a reliable playoff performer. I don't think he ever will be because his weaknesses are easily exploitable come playoff time.
Also, I don't think he should get all this praise for helping the Lakers get past Memphis and GS last year. That's literally his job. He was brought in to be that number 3 guy.
Finally, personally I think his mentality and the way he plays isn't indicative of a winning player. There is a reason his value is so low around the league. Barely anyone sees him as a winning player. |
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RI Laker
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| He is a strange guy. I could see him opting out and cutting his nose despite his face (he most likely has a very limited market). Hopefully, he opts in. I would be fine with giving him an reasonable extension but NO NON TRADE CLAUSE (he can pound sand). |
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Free Justaobserver 
He made this thread entertaining.
If DLO doesn't pick up his option the Westbrook trade was a waste
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tox
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| RI Laker wrote: | | He is a strange guy. I could see him opting out and cutting his nose despite his face (he most likely has a very limited market). Hopefully, he opts in. I would be fine with giving him an reasonable extension but NO NON TRADE CLAUSE (he can pound sand). |
Hell no to a NTC.
His market looks AWFUL. Give him the kind of contract that is so favorable to the Lakers that teams start to realize -- wait you mean he's locked up for 2 more years as the cap goes up at that contract (e.g. $15M per) while giving you 18/6 on 40% 3FG%????
Realistically he opts in because it does not look like he'll do better than $18M. |
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| Day wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | The difference is Rui plays hard and you can see it.
DLo when his shots aren't falling tends to check out.
Simple as that. |
It's really just not true. Even when his shots aren't falling he has been constantly the biggest hype man on the team. First guy off the bench celebrating his teammates success. |
Perception is reality to a lot of fans once they've made up their mind.
They've decided that Rui is all he needs to be because of his two good series last season.
They've decided he tries on defense.
They've decided that DLO doesn't.
This means that DLO could get several stops and miss one assignment, and Rui can blow several assignments and get one stop, and they'll only acknowledge Rui's stop and DLO's blown assignment.
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | Gawddamn, literally made oh boy into just an observer for this thread. ChefLinda’s a maestro.
https://tenor.com/bUq3b.gif
I hope that doesn’t come off as a bait, sub or a dig at dude, so please don’t get it twisted. It was just an observation I noticed. 
As for the topic at hand, remember that DLo got all the leverage now. Granted, Rob did talk dude/Mintz into taking out that implicit NTC with his current 1+1 deal, but can he do it again if the motive is to retain DLo as an asset to potentially flip later.
This time however, it doesn’t have to be a 1+1 deal with a baked in NTC. Mintz/DLo could demand a NTC in a longterm deal (up to 5 years in length) if they so choose to do so and we consent.
| Quote: | | Coon: A "no-trade" clause prevents the team from trading the player without the player's consent. A no-trade clause can be negotiated into a new contract if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons. They don't have to be the four most recent seasons… |
DLo is a 9 year vet ✔️
And played his rookie & sophomore seasons here before returning to play the last two seasons here, making it 4 seasons total having played as a Laker ✔️
FYI: Bron also can demand a NTC into a longterm deal (capped at 3 years due to over-38 rule). In both cases tho, them dudes must opt out of their current deals via player option and then re-up having their new deals include NTCs. |
Good post V. |
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| MJST wrote: | | Day wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | The difference is Rui plays hard and you can see it.
DLo when his shots aren't falling tends to check out.
Simple as that. |
It's really just not true. Even when his shots aren't falling he has been constantly the biggest hype man on the team. First guy off the bench celebrating his teammates success. |
Perception is reality to a lot of fans once they've made up their mind.
They've decided that Rui is all he needs to be because of his two good series last season.
They've decided he tries on defense.
They've decided that DLO doesn't.
This means that DLO could get several stops and miss one assignment, and Rui can blow several assignments and get one stop, and they'll only acknowledge Rui's stop and DLO's blown assignment. |
Strawmen arguments. Nobody is arguing Rui is good on defense like you guys do for DLO. Saying he shows more effort or plays harder on defense than DLO is not an endorsement for Rui but an indictment on DLO |
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DLO was better on defense than Rui in the Denver series. The same thing is true for last year's Warriors series.
This isn't really a ringing endorsement of DLO but rather it shows why we are so mediocre defensively even with AD |
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To me, we either decide to keep DLO and give him some years - maybe 4 years $80-100 million ballpark. Signing and trading him, then dealing with the very messy salary cap implications , just can't see it happening.
The other option, we don't re-sign Him, someone offers him a similar deal as mentioned above and DLO walks, we get nothing. But, I think that means we are signing CP3, probably Dinwiddy, and the two basically share the PG position.
So other changes obviously, but it looks like one or the other:
DLO, Reaves, (Christie, Vandy)
Lebron, Rui
Davis, Woods
Probably drafting a center.
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CP3, Spencer D, Reaves, Christie and Vandy
Lebron, Rui
Davis, Woods
Still draft a center with first pick, assuming we don't trade it.
If someone is traded, it's Rui and/or Reaves, JHS, draft picks for a (non sign and trade player) be it Murray, Allen, etc.
Which team plays better and wins more games?
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| waterman40 wrote: | To me, we either decide to keep DLO and give him some years - maybe 4 years $80-100 million ballpark. Signing and trading him, then dealing with the very messy salary cap implications , just can't see it happening.
The other option, we don't re-sign Him, someone offers him a similar deal as mentioned above and DLO walks, we get nothing. But, I think that means we are signing CP3, probably Dinwiddy, and the two basically share the PG position.
So other changes obviously, but it looks like one or the other:
DLO, Reaves, (Christie, Vandy)
Lebron, Rui
Davis, Woods
Probably drafting a center.
or
CP3, Spencer D, Reaves, Christie and Vandy
Lebron, Rui
Davis, Woods
Still draft a center with first pick, assuming we don't trade it.
If someone is traded, it's Rui and/or Reaves, JHS, draft picks for a (non sign and trade player) be it Murray, Allen, etc.
Which team plays better and wins more games? |
Depending on not one but two 40 year olds in your starting lineup is criminal. Spencer is a min to TPMLE player at this point. People act like what DLo brings doesn’t matter. Wait till we give AR full time PG duties. It’s like no one watched AR play PG last year.Wait till we have no one that can hit a 3 like that 2-10 start the year before where we were HISTORICALLY bad at 3. Anyway, it doesn’t really matter. I’ve accepted that some folks just don’t like the guy be it for rational reasons or irrational reasons. |
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akk7
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| kfkilla wrote: | | waterman40 wrote: | To me, we either decide to keep DLO and give him some years - maybe 4 years $80-100 million ballpark. Signing and trading him, then dealing with the very messy salary cap implications , just can't see it happening.
The other option, we don't re-sign Him, someone offers him a similar deal as mentioned above and DLO walks, we get nothing. But, I think that means we are signing CP3, probably Dinwiddy, and the two basically share the PG position.
So other changes obviously, but it looks like one or the other:
DLO, Reaves, (Christie, Vandy)
Lebron, Rui
Davis, Woods
Probably drafting a center.
or
CP3, Spencer D, Reaves, Christie and Vandy
Lebron, Rui
Davis, Woods
Still draft a center with first pick, assuming we don't trade it.
If someone is traded, it's Rui and/or Reaves, JHS, draft picks for a (non sign and trade player) be it Murray, Allen, etc.
Which team plays better and wins more games? |
Depending on not one but two 40 year olds in your starting lineup is criminal. Spencer is a min to TPMLE player at this point. People act like what DLo brings doesn’t matter. Wait till we give AR full time PG duties. It’s like no one watched AR play PG last year.Wait till we have no one that can hit a 3 like that 2-10 start the year before where we were HISTORICALLY bad at 3. Anyway, it doesn’t really matter. I’ve accepted that some folks just don’t like the guy be it for rational reasons or irrational reasons. |
Where are people being irrational exactly? Of course it will be hard to replace the production of your third option/third highest salary guy. This is how it should be. Why does he get credit for doing his job/role?
He is a productive player. His shooting is valuable. However there are so many issues with him and in my opinion it is crystal clear to me you can't win relying on a player like him. There's so many flaws with him on the basketball court as well as his overall mentality. He does so many things that a point to him being a loser in the basketball sense. There is no way people can watch him and listen to him and be like yes, he's a winner. There's a reason why his market is so small and barely any NBA GMs care for him.
I don't see why the lakers offer him a 100 mill contract. Who are the lakers bidding against here?
Ultmately, I hope the Lakers keep him on a very cheap contract which will allow him to be added as some sort of filler in a trade.
The Lakers are going nowhere with him as the starter. I'd love to hear other perspectives on this. What has he shown in his career to ever indicate he is a winning player? |
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| kfkilla wrote: | | Depending on not one but two 40 year olds in your starting lineup is criminal. Spencer is a min to TPMLE player at this point. People act like what DLo brings doesn’t matter. Wait till we give AR full time PG duties. It’s like no one watched AR play PG last year.Wait till we have no one that can hit a 3 like that 2-10 start the year before where we were HISTORICALLY bad at 3. Anyway, it doesn’t really matter. I’ve accepted that some folks just don’t like the guy be it for rational reasons or irrational reasons. |
CP3 is over the hill. At this point, the best you can hope for is he stays healthy and can turn back the clock for a series or 2 in a playoff run.
The days of him being a starter are over.
You speak the true true. DLO is an asset. And can help us get wins to secure a playoff spot next year, in a stacked western conference.
If we don’t win a chip. It’ll likely be because Bron and Brow aren’t enough to take us to the promised land.
With all that said. You have to be crazy if you want to keep DLO for another playoff run.
It’s a story we’ve seen the ending to. Way too many times. On our team and others.
The best path forward for us in regards to DLO is pretty clear.
Bring him back. Have him ball out in the regular season. And trade him when his value is high. Kinda like what Minny did.
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| kfkilla wrote: | | waterman40 wrote: | To me, we either decide to keep DLO and give him some years - maybe 4 years $80-100 million ballpark. Signing and trading him, then dealing with the very messy salary cap implications , just can't see it happening.
The other option, we don't re-sign Him, someone offers him a similar deal as mentioned above and DLO walks, we get nothing. But, I think that means we are signing CP3, probably Dinwiddy, and the two basically share the PG position.
So other changes obviously, but it looks like one or the other:
DLO, Reaves, (Christie, Vandy)
Lebron, Rui
Davis, Woods
Probably drafting a center.
or
CP3, Spencer D, Reaves, Christie and Vandy
Lebron, Rui
Davis, Woods
Still draft a center with first pick, assuming we don't trade it.
If someone is traded, it's Rui and/or Reaves, JHS, draft picks for a (non sign and trade player) be it Murray, Allen, etc.
Which team plays better and wins more games? |
Depending on not one but two 40 year olds in your starting lineup is criminal. Spencer is a min to TPMLE player at this point. People act like what DLo brings doesn’t matter. Wait till we give AR full time PG duties. It’s like no one watched AR play PG last year.Wait till we have no one that can hit a 3 like that 2-10 start the year before where we were HISTORICALLY bad at 3. Anyway, it doesn’t really matter. I’ve accepted that some folks just don’t like the guy be it for rational reasons or irrational reasons. |
I would look at trading Reaves, DLO, and Rui.
Once you sign DLO you’re stuck with him. He has less than zero trade value. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | kfkilla wrote: | | Depending on not one but two 40 year olds in your starting lineup is criminal. Spencer is a min to TPMLE player at this point. People act like what DLo brings doesn’t matter. Wait till we give AR full time PG duties. It’s like no one watched AR play PG last year.Wait till we have no one that can hit a 3 like that 2-10 start the year before where we were HISTORICALLY bad at 3. Anyway, it doesn’t really matter. I’ve accepted that some folks just don’t like the guy be it for rational reasons or irrational reasons. |
CP3 is over the hill. At this point, the best you can hope for is he stays healthy and can turn back the clock for a series or 2 in a playoff run.
The days of him being a starter are over.
You speak the true true. DLO is an asset. And can help us get wins to secure a playoff spot next year, in a stacked western conference.
If we don’t win a chip. It’ll likely be because Bron and Brow aren’t enough to take us to the promised land.
With all that said. You have to be crazy if you want to keep DLO for another playoff run.
It’s a story we’ve seen the ending to. Way too many times. On our team and others.
The best path forward for us in regards to DLO is pretty clear.
Bring him back. Have him ball out in the regular season. And trade him when his value is high. Kinda like what Minny did. |
I agree, but the Lakers won't get anywhere close to what Minny got. No matter what, his value will be low. Minny cut bait at the perfect moment. |
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| akk7 wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | Look, I’m so fracking sick of defending Dlo, he ain’t all that. I was so disgusted last year in the Denver series and game 3 this year that I wanted to dismiss him on the spot. Then, I looked at and analyzed his games, and realized that he actually has played significantly better in the post season than I thought, with BKN, Min, and the Lakers. I challenge anyone to do the same, and no, listening to what other fans have to say doesn’t count, look for yourself. [b]We may not have beaten Mem or GSW last year without Dlo and he cooked NOP this year too, all IN THE POST SEASON. [/b]
I’d prefer a defensive upgrade too, but what I see is that it’s clear if we switch Dlo out we need to be mindful of what he contributed so that there is a plan to compensate for what is lost. And I don’t want the Westbrook fiasco to end up being Kuzma/KCP/Trez + 2FRPs for just Vando, which is what it would be if Dlo isn’t signed and walks for nothing.
At minimum we need his salary for a future trade and the ceiling is a ship with the right pieces on the team. Considering how bad Dlo/AR/Rui were at times, how bad the coaching was, and how many injuries, they still look promising winning a lot of games. They even played reasonable well enough in most games this post season such that being stuck with our cap situation it makes more sense to sign him instead of letting him walk for nothing.
That’s it for me, flame away at Dlo, I’m done with it. I don’t think any of it will matter anyway. |
This isn't true. He has not had more good games than bad games in the playoffs. If this was the case his playoff averages wouldn't be as low as they are. He is one of the most inefficient playoff players in like the last 30 years with his volume. In the top 10 worst TS% when accounting for volume. Also, in the playoffs, if he isn't hitting shots, what else does he really bring?
1) Nets vs. Philly. You can give him a pass for this since he was in his 4th season and was the number 1 option of the team. He didn't play well. Was very inefficient. The physicality of Simmons really bothered him. Simmons was a top defender during this time. However, it showed playoff physicality/length could really take him out the game pretty easily.
2) Minnesota. He was awful. Got embarrassed by Memphis, especially Dillon Brooks who once again showed physicality takes Dlo out very easily. Gradually they put Brooks on Ant, but at this point Dlo's confidence was in the gutter. He got benched for Jordan McLaughlin
3) Lakers 2023-Got benched in the play in game. Did well against Memphis and GSW. I feel like it gets overstated how "well" he played in both those series. His reputation prior to that was so low in terms of the playoffs that his play gets exaggerated. He had plenty of stinkers between these two series. Then he proceeds to say Minnesota held him back. This was because he was feeling himself for having a solid playoff run so far. And then Denver happened. The irony.
4) Lakers 2024-He wasn't good against Denver again. Simple as that.
It's no knock against Dlo, but I think the evidence is clear he isn't a reliable playoff performer. I don't think he ever will be because his weaknesses are easily exploitable come playoff time.
Also, I don't think he should get all this praise for helping the Lakers get past Memphis and GS last year. That's literally his job. He was brought in to be that number 3 guy.
Finally, personally I think his mentality and the way he plays isn't indicative of a winning player. There is a reason his value is so low around the league. Barely anyone sees him as a winning player. |
Yeah, I agree with you fully.. It's absolutely mind boggling there are fans that somehow act like people are over reacting when saying he's not remotely a reliable Playoff performer heading into his 10th Season (These same concerns were absolutely there in college as well and documented in the Draft reports. This has been him for well over a Decade, how much longer do we need to give him before we clearly see the pattern?
Like I mentioned in the last post, all the teams Fans he played with before us were laughing and saying how he would repeat it all over again with us.... and they were right. His Career playoff stats are absolutely pathetic and drastically lower then his regular Season stats.. It's not just a small sample size anymore either. The mentality aspect of it is another great point i've talked about before and people just remember the nights he goes off and is celebrating with his teammates and getting the crowd hyped up but on the nights things go bad he acts like a sulking child.
I'm over this though, it seems like we just keep going in cycles and regurgitate all the same points over and over.. Just let the delusion blind posters live in there fantasy world because they can't seem to grasp the overall picture and just keep pointing out a couple series here and there where he did play well.. It doesn't work that way in the Playoffs though, if you play great in the first round or two and then COMPLETELY fall apart against the better teams then it kind of erases the good imo. He needs to accept even less pay and just be a great role player if he can't take the pressure or is going to continue to disappear in a good chunk of the Playoff games. It's always someone elses fault even though this has happened on several different Franchises and different Head Coaches.
I do get that we need to keep him for trade bait/depth if possible since we can't easily replace him and I fully agree with that outside of giving him an extension beyond maybe 1 extra Year at the most. I'm not really even sure what we could get back for him at this point especially considering many teams love to add that "Lakers tax". |
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| kikanga wrote: | | kfkilla wrote: | | Depending on not one but two 40 year olds in your starting lineup is criminal. Spencer is a min to TPMLE player at this point. People act like what DLo brings doesn’t matter. Wait till we give AR full time PG duties. It’s like no one watched AR play PG last year.Wait till we have no one that can hit a 3 like that 2-10 start the year before where we were HISTORICALLY bad at 3. Anyway, it doesn’t really matter. I’ve accepted that some folks just don’t like the guy be it for rational reasons or irrational reasons. |
CP3 is over the hill. At this point, the best you can hope for is he stays healthy and can turn back the clock for a series or 2 in a playoff run.
The days of him being a starter are over.
You speak the true true. DLO is an asset. And can help us get wins to secure a playoff spot next year, in a stacked western conference.
If we don’t win a chip. It’ll likely be because Bron and Brow aren’t enough to take us to the promised land.
With all that said. You have to be crazy if you want to keep DLO for another playoff run.
It’s a story we’ve seen the ending to. Way too many times. On our team and others.
The best path forward for us in regards to DLO is pretty clear.
Bring him back. Have him ball out in the regular season. And trade him when his value is high. Kinda like what Minny did. |
I'd be fine with it if he's slotted as the 4th best player. The biggest issue is that:
1) Reaves is not a clear #3
2) Reaves and Russell are a bad backcourt defensively
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| kfkilla wrote: | | waterman40 wrote: | To me, we either decide to keep DLO and give him some years - maybe 4 years $80-100 million ballpark. Signing and trading him, then dealing with the very messy salary cap implications , just can't see it happening.
The other option, we don't re-sign Him, someone offers him a similar deal as mentioned above and DLO walks, we get nothing. But, I think that means we are signing CP3, probably Dinwiddy, and the two basically share the PG position.
So other changes obviously, but it looks like one or the other:
DLO, Reaves, (Christie, Vandy)
Lebron, Rui
Davis, Woods
Probably drafting a center.
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CP3, Spencer D, Reaves, Christie and Vandy
Lebron, Rui
Davis, Woods
Still draft a center with first pick, assuming we don't trade it.
If someone is traded, it's Rui and/or Reaves, JHS, draft picks for a (non sign and trade player) be it Murray, Allen, etc.
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Depending on not one but two 40 year olds in your starting lineup is criminal. Spencer is a min to TPMLE player at this point. People act like what DLo brings doesn’t matter. Wait till we give AR full time PG duties. It’s like no one watched AR play PG last year.Wait till we have no one that can hit a 3 like that 2-10 start the year before where we were HISTORICALLY bad at 3. Anyway, it doesn’t really matter. I’ve accepted that some folks just don’t like the guy be it for rational reasons or irrational reasons. |
I'm actually a big DLO fan - I'm a sucker for Laker guards who can actually shoot the basketball. I like DLO as much as our last good scoring and passing PG's we have had on the roster- Nick the Quick and Sedale Threte. Kobe was a SG, so I left him off. But yeah, the best guard we have had since Kobe is DLO. He is not Kobe or Magic, etc. by a long shot but he blows by all the other wannabes we have had in recent memory.
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On Lakers Nation podcast the other day, they talked about DLO's main suitor would be Orlando, but Orlando is possibly interested in DLO, but at LESS than His current Laker deal. Talk is $15 million a year for 2 or 3 years. If that is the case, Lakers Nation thinks DLO ops in, and tries to improve his value one more year with the Lakers, or elsewhere, if traded, which they do not think is in our best interests to trade Him.
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| tox wrote: | | kikanga wrote: |
With all that said. You have to be crazy if you want to keep DLO for another playoff run.
It’s a story we’ve seen the ending to. Way too many times. On our team and others.
The best path forward for us in regards to DLO is pretty clear.
Bring him back. Have him ball out in the regular season. And trade him when his value is high. Kinda like what Minny did. |
I'd be fine with it if he's slotted as the 4th best player. The biggest issue is that:
1) Reaves is not a clear #3
2) Reaves and Russell are a bad backcourt defensively
(Me continuing to wish we looked into a Reaves package for OG.) |
Anything that upgrades our roster, I'm open to. Trading AR should be on the table. Although, OG's inability to stay healthy scares me. I'd probably stay away from him.
DLO as a 4th option is an interesting idea. Again, whether he's a 3rd or 4th option. I have zero concerns for the regular season. But I probably still don't want him in the playoffs as a 4th option. He was bricking wide open catch and shoot opportunities this postseason. It wasn't an issue of defenses keying in on him and taking away what he's good at.
We need more players that can contribute on both sides of the ball.
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| waterman40 wrote: | | On Lakers Nation podcast the other day, they talked about DLO's main suitor would be Orlando, but Orlando is possibly interested in DLO, but at LESS than His current Laker deal. Talk is $15 million a year for 2 or 3 years. If that is the case, Lakers Nation thinks DLO ops in, and tries to improve his value one more year with the Lakers, or elsewhere, if traded, which they do not think is in our best interests to trade Him. |
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| anothermagicfan wrote: | | Sign DeAngelo Russell. Last couple of years he's been around 20 mil. Id rather give him 25 per and have a guy that can play point, hit 3s, get assists and consistently give you 20 points a game than pay 20 per for monk or tyus. I don't think his attitude will be bad with this group and coach Mosley. He might just embrace it here and thrive. |
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| Is it possible to acquire Klay Thompsons bird rights in exchange for Russell? Either before or after the draft? |
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| kikanga wrote: | | tox wrote: | | kikanga wrote: |
With all that said. You have to be crazy if you want to keep DLO for another playoff run.
It’s a story we’ve seen the ending to. Way too many times. On our team and others.
The best path forward for us in regards to DLO is pretty clear.
Bring him back. Have him ball out in the regular season. And trade him when his value is high. Kinda like what Minny did. |
I'd be fine with it if he's slotted as the 4th best player. The biggest issue is that:
1) Reaves is not a clear #3
2) Reaves and Russell are a bad backcourt defensively
(Me continuing to wish we looked into a Reaves package for OG.) |
Anything that upgrades our roster, I'm open to. Trading AR should be on the table. Although, OG's inability to stay healthy scares me. I'd probably stay away from him.
DLO as a 4th option is an interesting idea. Again, whether he's a 3rd or 4th option. I have zero concerns for the regular season. But I probably still don't want him in the playoffs as a 4th option. He was bricking wide open catch and shoot opportunities this postseason. It wasn't an issue of defenses keying in on him and taking away what he's good at.
We need more players that can contribute on both sides of the ball. |
I hear ya but I guess I disagree, he's just streaky but he had three good postseason games (including playin) and three bad ones. That's perfectly fine for a 4th option. I also think he has his defensive limitations but I don't really feel like he was the issue against Denver. Maybe he would be against a team like Dallas which has an iso hunter like Luka.
I'd love to upgrade for a two way player but that will cost the Lakers and I don't really want that. I'm leaning against trading future assets to upgrade this roster. |
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| tox wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | tox wrote: | | kikanga wrote: |
With all that said. You have to be crazy if you want to keep DLO for another playoff run.
It’s a story we’ve seen the ending to. Way too many times. On our team and others.
The best path forward for us in regards to DLO is pretty clear.
Bring him back. Have him ball out in the regular season. And trade him when his value is high. Kinda like what Minny did. |
I'd be fine with it if he's slotted as the 4th best player. The biggest issue is that:
1) Reaves is not a clear #3
2) Reaves and Russell are a bad backcourt defensively
(Me continuing to wish we looked into a Reaves package for OG.) |
Anything that upgrades our roster, I'm open to. Trading AR should be on the table. Although, OG's inability to stay healthy scares me. I'd probably stay away from him.
DLO as a 4th option is an interesting idea. Again, whether he's a 3rd or 4th option. I have zero concerns for the regular season. But I probably still don't want him in the playoffs as a 4th option. He was bricking wide open catch and shoot opportunities this postseason. It wasn't an issue of defenses keying in on him and taking away what he's good at.
We need more players that can contribute on both sides of the ball. |
I hear ya but I guess I disagree, he's just streaky but he had three good postseason games (including playin) and three bad ones. That's perfectly fine for a 4th option. I also think he has his defensive limitations but I don't really feel like he was the issue against Denver. Maybe he would be against a team like Dallas which has an iso hunter like Luka.
I'd love to upgrade for a two way player but that will cost the Lakers and I don't really want that. I'm leaning against trading future assets to upgrade this roster. |
It comes down to how close you believe we are to winning a chip with the Bron and Brow core.
I’m sure our FO thinks we’re close. But I don’t think we are. And I agree I’m leaning against trading future assets for an immediate upgrade. I think we need to look for players with upside. Even if it means a step back on immediate impact.
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