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Knecht4
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| Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | zambia wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | What a freakin resume šµāš«šµāš«šµāš«
Terrible decisions Rob Pelinka has made since LeBron James chose to sign with the Lakers:
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Some of these are incorrect or misleading but most of this is accurate and more than enough to earn a dismissal. |
Close to half of them are either incorrect or not his fault. ex: Lue deal is not on Pelinka. It's documented that it was on Rambiis & Jeanie. Rondo left for more $, so no its not on him either. Malik Monk was signed to a min. then left for full MLE which we didn't have. Marc Gasol was a good move and was better than Macgee. Letting Howard go wasn't. Dan Huerly, Leonard???
ridiculous.
You can't blame them for not signing every FA you like on the market.
Nailing to sign on every FA, coach that you persue shouldn't be a standard for successful gm or any gm. Nailing a right one or a wrong one should be deciding factor.
Although Rob shouldn't be a sole scapegoat, Westbrook trade alone should be enough to fire him along with anyone and everyone who were involved in any capacity. Letting Caruso walk for nothing due to Lux. tax is more of a Jenny issue, but choosing THT over Caruso is sickening malpractice of FO.
Drafting JHS over Pod, JJJ, Cam hurts.
Cleaning the biggest mistake of this franchise in its history by trading Westbrook for Dlo, Vando, Beasly was fantastic make up move. Trading Hachimura was a good move. Overpaying Rui after unsustainable playoff run wasn't. Extending Vando prematurely to an overpay contract resembles signing of RFA Max Christie who hasn't proved anything in meaningful min.(whether it was unfair treatment by Ham or not) to a ridiculous 32/4y(PO on 4th) when no one was competing for his service.
So yes.
He has got to go but we already what Jeanie buss, the root of these Leadership problem, will do. |
Rob traded a 47 million expiring contract and 1st round pick for 3 expiring contracts. The pick is basically unprotected. |
Rob got rid of one of the worst mistakes there was that resulted in a WCF....getting there happened with those players you now consider trade fodder...which goes back to one reason we cant get FAs to sign because alot now is Toxic Fans that have the Dallas Cowboys Mentality but WORSE,,smh.
Dead Al Davis could take notes from some fans that think trading players each year is going to result to something positive and if they cant trade them then fire the GM...welp let me stop before someone says im trolling..what some yawl need is a swif..nope nope ..yawl have it. fire GM and trade away everyone...smh. |
I don't think players don't want to sign here because of the fans as much as because of the media/pressure that comes with it. I mean every day, even during an off season where we haven't made a single move, Lakers are featured on every main stream sports talk show. Players are thrown under the bus by the media and that affects their stocks a lot. It's a risk coming here because everything you do is magnified. If you play well you're going to get a bigger contract than if you played well on a bad team but if you play bad here you might just be outta the league. |
IDK Brandon Jennings speculated Russ probably spoke with DD about how fans will quickly turn and ultimately blame him. That is why I am glad DD didnt come here. if you are from here Russ, DD, Baron, Ariza, and others should all be shown love. |
Why? Lol
If you are good fans will show you love if you suck, they will let you know. Don't matter where you are from.
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| Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | zambia wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | What a freakin resume šµāš«šµāš«šµāš«
Terrible decisions Rob Pelinka has made since LeBron James chose to sign with the Lakers:
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Some of these are incorrect or misleading but most of this is accurate and more than enough to earn a dismissal. |
Close to half of them are either incorrect or not his fault. ex: Lue deal is not on Pelinka. It's documented that it was on Rambiis & Jeanie. Rondo left for more $, so no its not on him either. Malik Monk was signed to a min. then left for full MLE which we didn't have. Marc Gasol was a good move and was better than Macgee. Letting Howard go wasn't. Dan Huerly, Leonard???
ridiculous.
You can't blame them for not signing every FA you like on the market.
Nailing to sign on every FA, coach that you persue shouldn't be a standard for successful gm or any gm. Nailing a right one or a wrong one should be deciding factor.
Although Rob shouldn't be a sole scapegoat, Westbrook trade alone should be enough to fire him along with anyone and everyone who were involved in any capacity. Letting Caruso walk for nothing due to Lux. tax is more of a Jenny issue, but choosing THT over Caruso is sickening malpractice of FO.
Drafting JHS over Pod, JJJ, Cam hurts.
Cleaning the biggest mistake of this franchise in its history by trading Westbrook for Dlo, Vando, Beasly was fantastic make up move. Trading Hachimura was a good move. Overpaying Rui after unsustainable playoff run wasn't. Extending Vando prematurely to an overpay contract resembles signing of RFA Max Christie who hasn't proved anything in meaningful min.(whether it was unfair treatment by Ham or not) to a ridiculous 32/4y(PO on 4th) when no one was competing for his service.
So yes.
He has got to go but we already what Jeanie buss, the root of these Leadership problem, will do. |
Rob traded a 47 million expiring contract and 1st round pick for 3 expiring contracts. The pick is basically unprotected. |
Rob got rid of one of the worst mistakes there was that resulted in a WCF....getting there happened with those players you now consider trade fodder...which goes back to one reason we cant get FAs to sign because alot now is Toxic Fans that have the Dallas Cowboys Mentality but WORSE,,smh.
Dead Al Davis could take notes from some fans that think trading players each year is going to result to something positive and if they cant trade them then fire the GM...welp let me stop before someone says im trolling..what some yawl need is a swif..nope nope ..yawl have it. fire GM and trade away everyone...smh. |
I don't think players don't want to sign here because of the fans as much as because of the media/pressure that comes with it. I mean every day, even during an off season where we haven't made a single move, Lakers are featured on every main stream sports talk show. Players are thrown under the bus by the media and that affects their stocks a lot. It's a risk coming here because everything you do is magnified. If you play well you're going to get a bigger contract than if you played well on a bad team but if you play bad here you might just be outta the league. |
IDK Brandon Jennings speculated Russ probably spoke with DD about how fans will quickly turn and ultimately blame him. That is why I am glad DD didnt come here. if you are from here Russ, DD, Baron, Ariza, and others should all be shown love. |
On the 520 podcast Jeff Teague said Klay and DD didn't wanna sign here because of how the media covers every little thing about the Lakers and with a new coach, a 40 year old LeBron, and drafting Bronny it's gonna be a circus (in the media sense). That's pretty much what I was thinking as well, it also kind of goes back to what Kobe said about if we have to convince you to be a Laker you shouldn't be a Laker. It's a double edged sword but it's what has always come with being a Laker. You will be in the spotlight, for good or bad what you do is magnified 10x.
To put this into context, Klay shot 0-10 in an elimination game and everyone here wanted him and is crying about Rob not signing him; meanwhile those same people are screaming for dlo to be traded and those same people, had Klay shot 0-10 in a Laker uniform, would be calling for his head all the while all of it being 24/7 news coverage by every sports outlet. |
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^^^^ That last sentence should be framed.
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Whether what Brandon said is true or not, the way fans treated Russ and Green is always going to deter high profile free agents. DD would have been the scapegoat, no question. I imagine the same applies to high profile coaches. That's one reason they have zero chance at Gary Trent. The only ones that want to come here are the fringe starters that will play for peanuts. No one wants to be part of a circus.
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| Knecht4 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: |
IDK Brandon Jennings speculated Russ probably spoke with DD about how fans will quickly turn and ultimately blame him. That is why I am glad DD didnt come here. if you are from here Russ, DD, Baron, Ariza, and others should all be shown love. |
Why? Lol
If you are good fans will show you love if you suck, they will let you know. Don't matter where you are from. |
Lol you can't expect Westbrook to have any self-awareness |
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| Knecht4 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | zambia wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | JeezyXVII wrote: | What a freakin resume šµāš«šµāš«šµāš«
Terrible decisions Rob Pelinka has made since LeBron James chose to sign with the Lakers:
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Some of these are incorrect or misleading but most of this is accurate and more than enough to earn a dismissal. |
Close to half of them are either incorrect or not his fault. ex: Lue deal is not on Pelinka. It's documented that it was on Rambiis & Jeanie. Rondo left for more $, so no its not on him either. Malik Monk was signed to a min. then left for full MLE which we didn't have. Marc Gasol was a good move and was better than Macgee. Letting Howard go wasn't. Dan Huerly, Leonard???
ridiculous.
You can't blame them for not signing every FA you like on the market.
Nailing to sign on every FA, coach that you persue shouldn't be a standard for successful gm or any gm. Nailing a right one or a wrong one should be deciding factor.
Although Rob shouldn't be a sole scapegoat, Westbrook trade alone should be enough to fire him along with anyone and everyone who were involved in any capacity. Letting Caruso walk for nothing due to Lux. tax is more of a Jenny issue, but choosing THT over Caruso is sickening malpractice of FO.
Drafting JHS over Pod, JJJ, Cam hurts.
Cleaning the biggest mistake of this franchise in its history by trading Westbrook for Dlo, Vando, Beasly was fantastic make up move. Trading Hachimura was a good move. Overpaying Rui after unsustainable playoff run wasn't. Extending Vando prematurely to an overpay contract resembles signing of RFA Max Christie who hasn't proved anything in meaningful min.(whether it was unfair treatment by Ham or not) to a ridiculous 32/4y(PO on 4th) when no one was competing for his service.
So yes.
He has got to go but we already what Jeanie buss, the root of these Leadership problem, will do. |
Rob traded a 47 million expiring contract and 1st round pick for 3 expiring contracts. The pick is basically unprotected. |
Rob got rid of one of the worst mistakes there was that resulted in a WCF....getting there happened with those players you now consider trade fodder...which goes back to one reason we cant get FAs to sign because alot now is Toxic Fans that have the Dallas Cowboys Mentality but WORSE,,smh.
Dead Al Davis could take notes from some fans that think trading players each year is going to result to something positive and if they cant trade them then fire the GM...welp let me stop before someone says im trolling..what some yawl need is a swif..nope nope ..yawl have it. fire GM and trade away everyone...smh. |
I don't think players don't want to sign here because of the fans as much as because of the media/pressure that comes with it. I mean every day, even during an off season where we haven't made a single move, Lakers are featured on every main stream sports talk show. Players are thrown under the bus by the media and that affects their stocks a lot. It's a risk coming here because everything you do is magnified. If you play well you're going to get a bigger contract than if you played well on a bad team but if you play bad here you might just be outta the league. |
IDK Brandon Jennings speculated Russ probably spoke with DD about how fans will quickly turn and ultimately blame him. That is why I am glad DD didnt come here. if you are from here Russ, DD, Baron, Ariza, and others should all be shown love. |
Why? Lol
If you are good fans will show you love if you suck, they will let you know. Don't matter where you are from. |
Danny Green missed a shot and people sent mass death threats to his wife and kid which is why he asked out summer and part of the Denis trade happening. Thatās not normal |
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| Quote: | | Demand the Dismissal of Robert Todd Pelinka, Jr. as General Manager of the Los Angeles Lakers |
Who started this change.org petition?
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| Triumph wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: |
And yet Morey no rings and no finals. Stevens 1 ring total. Presti no rings and lost 3 mvps. Conley 1 ring too. Riley has no rings since Lebron left. Frank with Balmers pockets and West helping him has no rings and only 3 playoff series wins in 5 years while trading every asset and having high payroll.
Hell the Clippers had Doc and Lue and have 3 total series wins in 5 years and Pelinka has hired 2 coaches in the same 5 years and won a title and had the other win 2 series š
At a certain point thereās Myers and then the rest by results say they havenāt accomplish more or as much as Rob, and that includes presti and Morey who have nothing to show for their front office time.
This is a result driven league. So go through a list and skip to the result. The GM with actual title won by their name are
- Pelinka
- Riley
- Connelly
- Myers who isnāt on a team
- Pop
- Mesai
- Stevens
- Ainge
Again if youāre not getting myers donāt mention (bleep) about Pelinka and the job heās done when if youāre not going off the list above no one has accomplished the actual result which Pelinka did. Same goes for owners as Jeanie has won and Balmer and others havenāt š ā¦ if you can get Bob Myers come talk to me about it and sing him up and soon as possible but other than that Morey, Presti, etc all aināt accomplished what poor little Rob and broke Jeanie has which says more about them to be honest |
This is way too reductive reasoning. Winning a title is important, but that result alone is not what determines how good of a GM (or owner) you are. You have to demonstrate wise decision making on a consistent basis in terms of drafting, coaching hires, roster construction, good trades, etc.
No one would say that Rob has been a better GM than Sam Presti or is on equal footing as Connelly since they both have 1 ring. Or that Jeanie is a better owner than anyone else for the same reason. No one all of a sudden thinks that Dan Gilbert was a good owner because the Cavs won a title in 2016.
Far and away the main reason why the Lakers won a title in 2020 is because LeBron chose to come here and he orchestrated a trade to get AD to join him.
Rob, Jeanie, Kurt and Linda Rambis had nothing to do with that. We were in the lottery for multiple years and they drafted players that would never turn out to be franchise cornerstones for a title team and hired poor coaches.
You think Presti, Morey, or basically any other GM wouldn't win the title if LeBron and AD came to their teams in 2019? The only reason we had assets to acquire AD is because the team was so bad for several years under Jeanie/Rob that we had enough valuable lottery picks to trade for him.
Jeanie (and by extension Pelinka) inherited a historically great franchise located in one of the biggest markets in the world and that got them LeBron.
I will give Rob some credit for surrounding the 2020 team with good role players that fit with LeBron and AD, but his moves with signings, coaching selection, and drafting since then have left a lot to be desired. |
Presti has had Russ, Harden, KD, Green, and Ibaks all at once ā¦ three won away from him being their gm. Three were mvps in the league. He has one finals appearance ever. Heās failed as a gm. He also brought in and extended George who left in a year after extending. And he brought melo there in his prime who was miserable dealing with him. ā¦ he had no nba titles to show for all these years and he will be breaking up this team too this time next year when Williams gets paid
Morey has been a gem for years and never made a finals. Heās never won a title. Heās hired coaches like Dantoni and Doc. Heās fumbled relationships with Paul, Harden, Russ and Simmons.Heās had MVPs in their prime in Harden and Embid. Heās had all stars and the like in Simmons, Paul, Russ. Heās made every wonky trade there is based on his advanced stats like trading all the centers away from Houston. Heās been accused of lying to players. And he just gave Paul George a 4 year max when George in the last 5 years hasnāt played as many games as Bron, hasnāt won as many playoff series as Bron, hasnāt made as many all nba teams as Bron. Heās won nothing.
In the same summer of 19 that Pelinka got AD and Bron, Brooklyn got Kyrie and KD, Morey got Russ and Harden, Presti lost PG to Frank who put together Kawhi and PG, and so on. He was criticized for not waiting for AD but here we are one title later, one extra wcf later, 1 ist later, and them having played the most games individually and collectively of all the pairings and never being the one to ask
So yes I will say Presti and Morey could not do the damn job in LA. This is a result driven league and they have had the talent, the money, the coaches and all to get it done but have never done it in their nba career. The result is they are failures, utter and complete failures.
Myers could get it done in LA. If you can get him, get him and do whatever he wants but other than that ā¦ in a result driven league the scoreboard still forever reads right now Pelink - 1, Morey and Presti a fat 0 |
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If Presti had the resources and gravity Pelinka has in LA, he would be in the convo for best executive ever in any pro sport.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | If Presti had the resources and gravity Pelinka has in LA, he would be in the convo for best executive ever in any pro sport. |
Itās just wild to me people donāt see this. The LA advantage is so strong Pelinka even managed a championship despite being, well, Pelinka. We havenāt had a great GM since Jerry West. We continue to squander our advantage with mediocre FO talent.
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I get the built in advantages you have with the Lakers. But our ownership issues offset most of those. In other words, I'm not sure Presti would be as effective in LA working for Jeanie.
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Presti would be just fine if he was able to hire his people and not Rambis.
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Another thing. The one thing I always hated about the AD trade was the right to defer picks. Had never heard of it before or since.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Presti would be just fine if he was able to hire his people and not Rambis. |
That's the point he is making. |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Presti would be just fine if he was able to hire his people and not Rambis. |
Thatās not the world Pelinka lives in. He would still need to work with them and presti hasnāt won with his people is my point, let alone with the Rambis equation, while Pelinka has |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | I get the built in advantages you have with the Lakers. But our ownership issues offset most of those. In other words, I'm not sure Presti would be as effective in LA working for Jeanie. |
Does OKC spend more than Jeanie? Jeanie's toxicity is that she hands out sinecures and just wants to be cozy and comfortable. A guy like Presti (and ostensibly Hurley) would be ambitious enough to actually change that culture instead of just managing upwards. For example, maybe by hiring a GM rather than doubling up the "VP's" salary. |
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Every time this dudeās thread gets bumped, I hopefully think āDid Jeanie finally do it?ā But like our VP/GM, seems like she too is sleeping in what must be done. Hopefully she finally gets there.
And with all do respect letās not forget that Rob struck out not only on our coaching search during that 2019 offseason, but also in free agency, where he prematurely dumped salary/assets for that cap space. Iād argue our title that season had more to do with Bron/AD winning it in spite of our FO. Bron essentially was put on ice when we couldnāt make the playoffs during his inaugural season here. The same with AD during his āThatās All Folksā season in NO. Those dudes were waiting to get the jump on the league when the 2019/20 season startedā¦and any licks & bumps they got during it, were once again attended to during a 4 month recovery break before a starting their postseason run with no travel aka #reCOVIDry.
Bron aināt any other athleteā¦you give him that type of competitive advantage and he exploits it better than the next man, even if they were bubbled away from their family and home cooking.
I factor that more than anything to our 1 title we earned during Bronās tenure here. IMHO Bron won that ish in spite of our deficient FO structure.
You bring Presti here and at the very least he addresses are margins far better than Mr. Pelinka has. IMHO Jeanie shoulda called up Riles to bring his people/culture here during that 2019 vacancy. After all being a previous Laker great is on-brand for that type if hire, but dude never got the call. Smfh
Anyways, wake me when dude decides to finally participate this offseason or when Jeanie finally dracarys dude. Till then, Iāll be listening to Eminemās new album plotting on how the Lakers can deliver a coup de grĆ¢ce to their shady figures.
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| levon wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | I get the built in advantages you have with the Lakers. But our ownership issues offset most of those. In other words, I'm not sure Presti would be as effective in LA working for Jeanie. |
Does OKC spend more than Jeanie? Jeanie's toxicity is that she hands out sinecures and just wants to be cozy and comfortable. A guy like Presti (and ostensibly Hurley) would be ambitious enough to actually change that culture instead of just managing upwards. For example, maybe by hiring a GM rather than doubling up the "VP's" salary. |
Rambis is probably the "GM".
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This was in the Christie thread but will post my response here:
| RI Laker wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | I like Max, I believe he can maybe become a 2-way rotational player. However it irks me Caruso was not given 32/4 but we have given THT 34/3 and Max 32/4.
One dude proved to be a core piece on a ring team and had some of the best advanced stats as Lebron's teammate ever.
Hopefully Max will turn out to be a better investment than THT did. |
Caruso will always sting especially considering his resigning was a bunt for Rob. The kid wanted to come back, was willing to give the Lakers a discount, and gave the Lakers the last chance before signing with the Bulls. This is still a head scratcher and really foreshadowed what a bone head Rob is. |
It is because they make moves on impulse and the present. Caruso had just come off a series vs PHX that was not great. Same for KCP Kuz. So all 3 were shipped basically. Not looking at that the Lakers were winning that series when AD was healthy. Westbrook was coming off what was touted a solid season, when in reality it wasn't if you looked deep into the analytics. The analytics all said Westbrook wouldn't fit in as well as KCP/Caruso/Kuz did, or better yet for a more clear example, as well as Kyrie did with Lebron in CLE.
Same thing forward to 2023. Get fortunate match ups, a strong close to the regular season and end up in the WCF. Applaud the job you did, players, Ham. No vision to really improve. Just re-sign DLO, Austin, Vanderbilt, Rui, etc. Bring in players you think Ham wants. Ends in a disastrous following season. Coach fired yet you're now left with Gabe, Vanderbilt, Reddish etc all guys that Ham seemed to value as players that will bring that defensive tenacity. Nevermind, they likely don't fit JJ's need for volume quality 3 point shooters.
Pelinka just reacts to the present. 2023 WCF was seen as a major accomplishment, so they run it back. Even when many saw the holes in the Lakers roster and that they needed more weapons. Even when most saw that DLO/Austin wasn't going to work in the playoffs vs elite teams. Paying Rui 17M a year now seems a stretch.
These same contracts now, Rui @17m, Vanderbilt _at_ 12M, DLO @19M. Teams want draft picks attached to them to give us back some talent. That's what happens when you have a mediocre GM.
We'll be needing to give up future assets to compensate for mistakes made by Pelinka. For example, giving up the 2027 pick to move Westbrook. That's what we will need to do to make some moves. |
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| Caruso will always sting especially considering his resigning was a bunt for Rob. The kid wanted to come back, was willing to give the Lakers a discount, and gave the Lakers the last chance before signing with the Bulls. This is still a head scratcher and really foreshadowed what a bone head Rob is. |
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J.C. Smith
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| RI Laker wrote: | | Caruso will always sting especially considering his resigning was a bunt for Rob. The kid wanted to come back, was willing to give the Lakers a discount, and gave the Lakers the last chance before signing with the Bulls. This is still a head scratcher and really foreshadowed what a bone head Rob is. |
In fairness, I'd imagine it was Jeanie who made that call. It was a purely financial move. |
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roger_federer
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ocho
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| RI Laker wrote: | | Caruso will always sting especially considering his resigning was a bunt for Rob. The kid wanted to come back, was willing to give the Lakers a discount, and gave the Lakers the last chance before signing with the Bulls. This is still a head scratcher and really foreshadowed what a bone head Rob is. |
He prioritized THT who is now *checks notes* not in the NBA.
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RI Laker
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| ocho wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | Caruso will always sting especially considering his resigning was a bunt for Rob. The kid wanted to come back, was willing to give the Lakers a discount, and gave the Lakers the last chance before signing with the Bulls. This is still a head scratcher and really foreshadowed what a bone head Rob is. |
He prioritized THT who is now *checks notes* not in the NBA. |
It really is amazing. Rob is a moron. Some of the excuses or reasoning posted above do not fly. This was a BIG mistake that was made even worse with his follow up moves. |
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JustaObserver
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| RI Laker wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | Caruso will always sting especially considering his resigning was a bunt for Rob. The kid wanted to come back, was willing to give the Lakers a discount, and gave the Lakers the last chance before signing with the Bulls. This is still a head scratcher and really foreshadowed what a bone head Rob is. |
He prioritized THT who is now *checks notes* not in the NBA. |
It really is amazing. Rob is a moron. Some of the excuses or reasoning posted above do not fly. This was a BIG mistake that was made even worse with his follow up moves. |
Who is/was THT under? What sports agency again? |
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