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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:22 pm    Post subject:

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Summer offseason question.

Who is more valuable to a contender as the third best player?

Lamar Odom (pre-2012) or D'Angelo?


Odom


That’s not a close one, Odom was a point forward covering the 3,4 and 5. DLo’s comp is AR


Exactly. You could make the argument the Odom model was ahead of his time. He would be the exact fit in todays game and be a massive contract in todays NBA
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Summer offseason question.

Who is more valuable to a contender as the third best player?

Lamar Odom (pre-2012) or D'Angelo?


Odom


That’s not a close one, Odom was a point forward covering the 3,4 and 5. DLo’s comp is AR


Exactly. You could make the argument the Odom model was ahead of his time. He would be the exact fit in todays game and be a massive contract in todays NBA


Yeah, this is a wild comparison haha.. Odom, when he was at his best during that Championship run especially was VASTLY better. With Odom engaged, him and AD would be fun to watch on both ends and EVEN in the Playoffs
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D'Angelo Russell shot 43% on above-the-break threes, which put him in the 95th percentile at his position. Meanwhile, he shot 69% at the rim, good for the 84th percentile. He has his flaws but he was incredibly important player for the Lakers last season
https://twitter.com/Trevor_Lane/status/1810688216795685061

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:47 am    Post subject:

It's far from a toxic contract and he's far from a negative presence. The hyperbole around him has always been ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:24 am    Post subject:

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D'Angelo Russell shot 43% on above-the-break threes, which put him in the 95th percentile at his position. Meanwhile, he shot 69% at the rim, good for the 84th percentile. He has his flaws but he was incredibly important player for the Lakers last season
https://twitter.com/Trevor_Lane/status/1810688216795685061



Probably an underrated player in LA.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:50 am    Post subject:

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It's far from a toxic contract and he's far from a negative presence. The hyperbole around him has always been ridiculous.


DLo? Then why is there no market for him?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:04 am    Post subject:

I think we need a backup center like Brook Lopez or Kessler as a priority.
If DLO stays, I think it's fine. I feel he will do a lot better under JJ and with a healthier overall team.

I still have faith in DLO. I think a change of coaching and vibe will work wonders....
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:20 am    Post subject:

Dr. Laker wrote:
Pidge wrote:
It's far from a toxic contract and he's far from a negative presence. The hyperbole around him has always been ridiculous.


DLo? Then why is there no market for him?


Because Lakers fans are constantly (bleep) on him.. You cant tell me other front offices and teams dont read twitter and see all lakers fans bashing him..

WE literally ruin our own players value
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:34 am    Post subject:

RusselDoeee01 wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Pidge wrote:
It's far from a toxic contract and he's far from a negative presence. The hyperbole around him has always been ridiculous.


DLo? Then why is there no market for him?


Because Lakers fans are constantly (bleep) on him.. You cant tell me other front offices and teams dont read twitter and see all lakers fans bashing him..

WE literally ruin our own players value


I actually think the fanbase and their spoiled, untitled attitude is what drives players away from here. Who in their right mind would come here? Unless your a vet min and can’t do anything but increase your value, if your not perfect then you can only decrease your value. Might be the same with coaches. The org scapegoats coaches and players who are not mega stars. It spreads to fans and media. It’s not a good situation really for middle of the road players.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:56 am    Post subject:

Dr. Laker wrote:
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It's far from a toxic contract and he's far from a negative presence. The hyperbole around him has always been ridiculous.


DLo? Then why is there no market for him?


DLO supporters always avoid answering that question about trade value. They all stated DLO was better than DJM.

It would’ve been nice to send DLO to New Orleans and receive our 2025 pick back, and another 1st round pick. The 2 role players thrown in the trade could have possibly helped us. Larry Nance Jr. on this roster would be helpful.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:58 am    Post subject:

RusselDoeee01 wrote:
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Pidge wrote:
It's far from a toxic contract and he's far from a negative presence. The hyperbole around him has always been ridiculous.


DLo? Then why is there no market for him?


Because Lakers fans are constantly (bleep) on him.. You cant tell me other front offices and teams dont read twitter and see all lakers fans bashing him..

WE literally ruin our own players value


Truth is somewhere in the middle. He is not a desirable player right now, but he is useful to the Lakers at his current salary still.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:01 am    Post subject:

RusselDoeee01 wrote:
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Pidge wrote:
It's far from a toxic contract and he's far from a negative presence. The hyperbole around him has always been ridiculous.


DLo? Then why is there no market for him?


Because Lakers fans are constantly (bleep) on him.. You cant tell me other front offices and teams dont read twitter and see all lakers fans bashing him..

WE literally ruin our own players value


I hope you were being sarcastic.

Did Minnesota fans ruin his trade value.
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zambia wrote:
RusselDoeee01 wrote:
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Pidge wrote:
It's far from a toxic contract and he's far from a negative presence. The hyperbole around him has always been ridiculous.


DLo? Then why is there no market for him?


Because Lakers fans are constantly (bleep) on him.. You cant tell me other front offices and teams dont read twitter and see all lakers fans bashing him..

WE literally ruin our own players value


I hope you were being sarcastic.

Did Minnesota fans ruin his trade value.


And we made the Western Conference Finals the moment we got him so...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:12 am    Post subject:

Its the Lakers fans fault that DLO isnt valued around the league by GMs and front offices...

GMs listening to twitter for advice on multi-million dollar decisions yeah that makes a lot of sense.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:20 am    Post subject:

DLO has a lot of people that wait on him to fall short than want to ever see him succeed. Regardless of what the outcome does for the Lakers.

That's the long and short of it.

DLO could come out this season averaging 30 on 44% from three and those same people will wait for a bad game and scream for the Lakers to trade him while his value is high.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:36 am    Post subject:

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DLO has a lot of people that wait on him to fall short than want to ever see him succeed. Regardless of what the outcome does for the Lakers.

That's the long and short of it.

DLO could come out this season averaging 30 on 44% from three and those same people will wait for a bad game and scream for the Lakers to trade him while his value is high.


Dude this is utter nonsense and a "woe is me why does everyone hate D'Lo" post. You think Laker fans actually want D'Lo to fail rather than succeed even though the likelihood of team success is higher obviously when D'Lo succeeds? That thought is straight dumb if you think the population who criticize D'Lo is made up of majority or even a significant portion of those type of people. Laker fans aren't stupid. They have seen his playoff history and his attitude in general from talking big/(bleep) talking about Schroeder/B. Brown/Derrick White. They also know if you are going to have a "too cool for school" attitude, you better cash in those checks in the playoffs and he hasn't done nearly enough to shield from those criticisms.

Me personally, I dont think he is a complete playoff flop and you cant have his moments/games in the playoffs, if you are afraid of the moment. I sense continuous playoff improvement in D'Lo as he gains more and more experience but the issue is he needs to figure it out completely or close to completely now.
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DLO has a lot of people that wait on him to fall short than want to ever see him succeed. Regardless of what the outcome does for the Lakers.

That's the long and short of it.

DLO could come out this season averaging 30 on 44% from three and those same people will wait for a bad game and scream for the Lakers to trade him while his value is high.


Dude this is utter nonsense and a "woe is me why does everyone hate D'Lo" post. You think Laker fans actually want D'Lo to fail rather than succeed even though the likelihood of team success is higher obviously when D'Lo succeeds?


Oh there's plenty you needn't look far at all.
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DLO has a lot of people that wait on him to fall short than want to ever see him succeed. Regardless of what the outcome does for the Lakers.

That's the long and short of it.

DLO could come out this season averaging 30 on 44% from three and those same people will wait for a bad game and scream for the Lakers to trade him while his value is high.

nobody wants DLO to fail, and he didn't fail at all last season. he didn't make 30 mil last year, it was a great contract at 17.5 mil. he put up those numbers while at that contract is a great value for us. sure he had 2 clunkers in the playoffs, but that's expected. a 17.5mil player in today's NBA is just middle of the pack, not superstar.

people also need to stop trying to trade him now because the player we got back likely won't even top his production level and the basketball need for this team. he is our best playmaker outside of Bron and Bron is going to miss games.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:18 am    Post subject:

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It's far from a toxic contract and he's far from a negative presence. The hyperbole around him has always been ridiculous.


DLo? Then why is there no market for him?


There was unlikely to be a market for people to offer him an increase on his current deal, due to the cap position and extension needs of teams that might have otherwise gone for him. He'll continue to produce (at a level of good value against his contract scale when you look at comparable players) and whether we keep him after the deadline will be a Lakers decision, there will be a market for him as an expiring.

He could have waited longer, but it would have been a risk for him. It's a weird one, but the contract was probably as good as it would get for him, we'll get a decent return on the court, but the upside isn't there to inspire higher bids. Good deal for everyone, especially if we can work out a good deal later on.

People have been catastrophising this like it's a Deng/Mozgov situation, it's nowhere near.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:13 pm    Post subject:

Pidge wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Pidge wrote:
It's far from a toxic contract and he's far from a negative presence. The hyperbole around him has always been ridiculous.


DLo? Then why is there no market for him?


There was unlikely to be a market for people to offer him an increase on his current deal, due to the cap position and extension needs of teams that might have otherwise gone for him. He'll continue to produce (at a level of good value against his contract scale when you look at comparable players) and whether we keep him after the deadline will be a Lakers decision, there will be a market for him as an expiring.

He could have waited longer, but it would have been a risk for him. It's a weird one, but the contract was probably as good as it would get for him, we'll get a decent return on the court, but the upside isn't there to inspire higher bids. Good deal for everyone, especially if we can work out a good deal later on.

People have been catastrophising this like it's a Deng/Mozgov situation, it's nowhere near.


The Warriors just said hell NO! to DLO when we offered him for Klay. Instead they chose Anderson/Hield route.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:18 pm    Post subject:

DLo is good but he’s in the mold of Steph and Trae, snipers, ball handlers, not that athletic, so so defender. Can’t have AR as his back court mate, need a Klay, a Jrue, A Smart, a Dort… or a Caruso (ouch). KCP be nice too.
Then again, same need can be said for AR.
Maybe just maybe Vando develops a jumper, that alone solve the whole line up, DLo/AR, Vando who can shoot, Bron, AD, that line up can run with a guard, a wing or a big, very versatile. That’s why Jerami Grant would look good in that Vando spot
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:38 pm    Post subject:

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DLo is good but he’s in the mold of Steph and Trae, snipers, ball handlers, not that athletic, so so defender. Can’t have AR as his back court mate, need a Klay, a Jrue, A Smart, a Dort… or a Caruso (ouch). KCP be nice too.
Then again, same need can be said for AR.
Maybe just maybe Vando develops a jumper, that alone solve the whole line up, DLo/AR, Vando who can shoot, Bron, AD, that line up can run with a guard, a wing or a big, very versatile. That’s why Jerami Grant would look good in that Vando spot


AR is a just below average defender who is only a secondary ball handler
DLo is a well below defender who is an elite ball handler.
Both are good enough shooters.

So, in the starting lineup you can replace DLO with a 2-way primary guard or AR with a 3 & D guard.

Replacing DLO with a 2-way combo guard will kill your half court offense. Any replacement for AR has to be a net positive for 3 & D skills.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:37 am    Post subject:

miggz23 wrote:
Pidge wrote:
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Pidge wrote:
It's far from a toxic contract and he's far from a negative presence. The hyperbole around him has always been ridiculous.


DLo? Then why is there no market for him?


There was unlikely to be a market for people to offer him an increase on his current deal, due to the cap position and extension needs of teams that might have otherwise gone for him. He'll continue to produce (at a level of good value against his contract scale when you look at comparable players) and whether we keep him after the deadline will be a Lakers decision, there will be a market for him as an expiring.

He could have waited longer, but it would have been a risk for him. It's a weird one, but the contract was probably as good as it would get for him, we'll get a decent return on the court, but the upside isn't there to inspire higher bids. Good deal for everyone, especially if we can work out a good deal later on.

People have been catastrophising this like it's a Deng/Mozgov situation, it's nowhere near.


The Warriors just said hell NO! to DLO when we offered him for Klay. Instead they chose Anderson/Hield route.


And?

They want to try and get Steph to the playoffs, they aren't looking for expirings. They are in he same boat as us, trying to cobble together a run for ageing stars, a 12 month strategy, not a 3/4 year one.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:20 am    Post subject:

If D'lo averaged 30 he'd be James Harden and I still wouldn't want him on my team. Some guys will just never win and he's firmly in that category.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:37 am    Post subject:

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If D'lo averaged 30 he'd be James Harden and I still wouldn't want him on my team. Some guys will just never win and he's firmly in that category.


DLo dropping 30 consistently would be like having Steph
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