I hope we waive him and pick up more of a 2-way player. Kessler Edwards is a name. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
Care more about how people get to their spots and what they show you.
He's not going to shoot 20 threes a night outside of a Summer League situation.
What we know about him however is that he's a big body, 6'8, high arc, he's a hustle guy, he is a flamethrower guy from three, he can get to his spots on offense, and is a movement three point shooter as well as a high volume one.
Those are all the things that he is currently at his floor.
I'm glad that we brought him on and hope that we keep him. He's precisely the kind of player we need to be developing and having with us. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Hinson spent 6 years in college and is 24 years old. He's at a point where he needs to produce in an environment like summer league and not just get to his spots, which he really didn't even do because most of his shots were heavily contested. He won't be afforded the same opportunities as a 19 year old one and done and his performance overall wasn't encouraging. Just the way it is. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
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^^ hustle guy? _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
I don't know where this stuff comes from. I guess you say things like that when you don't have anything tangible to support the argument.
He had one game where he shot league average from 3 but he showed that his floor is a flame thrower? For one of the games they had a commentator who knew him personally and mentioned that he never saw him hustle as much in all 4 seasons at Pitt as he was during summer league game where he posted averages of 2 rebounds 0.4 steals and 0.2 blocks. Hinson played well if you ignore all the things he was terrible at. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
He need to drop some weight... He reminds me of a taller Wesley Matthews. But Matthews was decent solid defender in his prime.
If he slimmed down to improve athleticism and continue to improve hustle effort then his 3pt shooting with his size could be useful. For now I’m cool with taking a chance with him on a two-way contract to see how he develops. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
He's 24. I believe he is what he is. I tweeted a couple weeks ago it's amazing he could be in the most important stretch of his pro career and still look so terrible in regards to psychical condition.
Most guys at least wait until they have a guaranteed contract. I'm for waiving him and buying another lottery ticket. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
He's 24. I believe he is what he is. I tweeted a couple weeks ago it's amazing he could be in the most important stretch of his pro career and still look so terrible in regards to psychical condition.
Most guys at least wait until they have a guaranteed contract. I'm for waiving him and buying another lottery ticket.
I get what you’re saying, normally it would seem like the obvious right thing regarding his age and level of fitness indicating possible lack of commitment. It still could be the right thing to move on but we’re not talking about proven NBA free agents or even lottery picks where another better option is readily available, we’re talking about undrafted, unclaimed, G league talent, where risks are taken with low expectations. It’s more of a surprise when those type make it since it’s such a long shot.
You look for something to build on as opposed to expecting a player in that position to have to fix everything. If passed on there aren’t any obvious better risks anyway. If he was dumped I wouldn’t be disappointed, conversely if he was kept on a two-way I wouldn’t necessarily be excited. As is, I feel Hinson is just about as good a long shot as any, and just as likely to disappear like most. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
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Worth another look in training camp, assuming there's a semblance of organized ball in preseason.
Not thrilled that shooting is the only thing he brings to the table, but if he can come in cold and hit shots when needed then he has a use. That's a big 'if' though.
Good first half at the last SL game, he needs to prove that's the norm for him, not the exception.
Worth another look in training camp, assuming there's a semblance of organized ball in preseason.
Not thrilled that shooting is the only thing he brings to the table, but if he can come in cold and hit shots when needed then he has a use. That's a big 'if' though.
Good first half at the last SL game, he needs to prove that's the norm for him, not the exception.
That depends. Do you value college performance more, or less, than summer league? _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Worth another look in training camp, assuming there's a semblance of organized ball in preseason.
Not thrilled that shooting is the only thing he brings to the table, but if he can come in cold and hit shots when needed then he has a use. That's a big 'if' though.
Good first half at the last SL game, he needs to prove that's the norm for him, not the exception.
That depends. Do you value college performance more, or less, than summer league?
That depends and can go either way... We have seen plenty of good college players who couldn't produce in the NBA.
Worth another look in training camp, assuming there's a semblance of organized ball in preseason.
Not thrilled that shooting is the only thing he brings to the table, but if he can come in cold and hit shots when needed then he has a use. That's a big 'if' though.
Good first half at the last SL game, he needs to prove that's the norm for him, not the exception.
That depends. Do you value college performance more, or less, than summer league?
That depends and can go either way... We have seen plenty of good college players who couldn't produce in the NBA.
Very true. Summer League however wasn't the dictator of that. Great college players have had horrible summer leagues and become MVP. Bad college players have great summer leagues and play horribly in the league. And good college players have bad summer leagues and become all-stars in the NBA.
Ultimately the summer league where you can shoot 30 threes in a game is what it is.
However, where it will be shown is in actual organized offense. Pre-season, and G-League for the most part will dictate how his career pans out. As long as the Lakers hold onto him during that progression is what I care about. Because if he pans out he'll be yet another gem. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Worth another look in training camp, assuming there's a semblance of organized ball in preseason.
Not thrilled that shooting is the only thing he brings to the table, but if he can come in cold and hit shots when needed then he has a use. That's a big 'if' though.
Good first half at the last SL game, he needs to prove that's the norm for him, not the exception.
That depends. Do you value college performance more, or less, than summer league?
That depends and can go either way... We have seen plenty of good college players who couldn't produce in the NBA.
Very true. Summer League however wasn't the dictator of that. Great college players have had horrible summer leagues and become MVP. Bad college players have great summer leagues and play horribly in the league. And good college players have bad summer leagues and become all-stars in the NBA.
Ultimately the summer league where you can shoot 30 threes in a game is what it is.
However, where it will be shown is in actual organized offense. Pre-season, and G-League for the most part will dictate how his career pans out. As long as the Lakers hold onto him during that progression is what I care about. Because if he pans out he'll be yet another gem.
But going undrafted in one of the weakest drafts in decades is very alarming tho. I think we saw some of the reason why. The guy just don't do anything else but shoot the ball.
It doesn't seem like his contested shot making will translate. That was his strongest attribute but in summer league most of his contested shots weren't even close, just straight up bricks. The fact that it was such a big part of his game in college could indicate that he struggles to get himself open and takes those shots out of necessity.
There's no benefit to him carrying so much weight because he doesn't play physical or in the post at all. 80% of his attempts in summer were 3s and he's not big enough to guard frontcourt players. The question on him is what does he do when he's not getting the privilege of volume shooting and I don't think he did anything to answer that. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
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Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 5:19 am Post subject:
manlisten wrote:
It doesn't seem like his contested shot making will translate. That was his strongest attribute but in summer league most of his contested shots weren't even close, just straight up bricks. The fact that it was such a big part of his game in college could indicate that he struggles to get himself open and takes those shots out of necessity.
There's no benefit to him carrying so much weight because he doesn't play physical or in the post at all. 80% of his attempts in summer were 3s and he's not big enough to guard frontcourt players. The question on him is what does he do when he's not getting the privilege of volume shooting and I don't think he did anything to answer that.
A person shooting contested shots is a shot creator. The Lakers have Lebron and D Lo doing that. Guys you want to be good 3 pt specialists aren't normally shooting with a hand in their face. A good pg, or offensive movement will create space for them. That's what will allow this guy to be an asset to the Lakers. Guys who create for themselves and shoot a high percentage from 3 aren't hanging out in the UDFA scrap heap.
He’s a flame thrower for sure but he’s not better than anybody else in our squad _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
He's 24. I believe he is what he is. I tweeted a couple weeks ago it's amazing he could be in the most important stretch of his pro career and still look so terrible in regards to psychical condition.
Most guys at least wait until they have a guaranteed contract. I'm for waiving him and buying another lottery ticket.
I get what you’re saying, normally it would seem like the obvious right thing regarding his age and level of fitness indicating possible lack of commitment. It still could be the right thing to move on but we’re not talking about proven NBA free agents or even lottery picks where another better option is readily available, we’re talking about undrafted, unclaimed, G league talent, where risks are taken with low expectations. It’s more of a surprise when those type make it since it’s such a long shot.
You look for something to build on as opposed to expecting a player in that position to have to fix everything. If passed on there aren’t any obvious better risks anyway. If he was dumped I wouldn’t be disappointed, conversely if he was kept on a two-way I wouldn’t necessarily be excited. As is, I feel Hinson is just about as good a long shot as any, and just as likely to disappear like most.
I believe there will for sure be better options that are more likely to help our team. Not Skylar Mays in particular, but that type. An older guy that's bounced around the NBA for 2-3 years but has proven in small stretches they can play. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
He's 24. I believe he is what he is. I tweeted a couple weeks ago it's amazing he could be in the most important stretch of his pro career and still look so terrible in regards to psychical condition.
Most guys at least wait until they have a guaranteed contract. I'm for waiving him and buying another lottery ticket.
I get what you’re saying, normally it would seem like the obvious right thing regarding his age and level of fitness indicating possible lack of commitment. It still could be the right thing to move on but we’re not talking about proven NBA free agents or even lottery picks where another better option is readily available, we’re talking about undrafted, unclaimed, G league talent, where risks are taken with low expectations. It’s more of a surprise when those type make it since it’s such a long shot.
You look for something to build on as opposed to expecting a player in that position to have to fix everything. If passed on there aren’t any obvious better risks anyway. If he was dumped I wouldn’t be disappointed, conversely if he was kept on a two-way I wouldn’t necessarily be excited. As is, I feel Hinson is just about as good a long shot as any, and just as likely to disappear like most.
I believe there will for sure be better options that are more likely to help our team. Not Skylar Mays in particular, but that type. An older guy that's bounced around the NBA for 2-3 years but has proven in small stretches they can play.
When better options for the roster are presented…like Skylar Mayes and Scottie Pippenjr if guards were needed…then by all means, move on from Hinson. At 6’8” tho, perhaps Hinson can be considered a plausible risk since more options at PF are needed. Not high on Hinson but ok taking a look on a two-way audition between him and Traeore. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
I hope we waive him and pick up more of a 2-way player. Kessler Edwards is a name.
Mavs just picked up Edwards on a 2 way. Good pick up for them. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
I think if he can drop 15lbs he would be a better defender. He seems athletic enough and his jumper is already there. That weight loss would help him move better laterally. He has a chance to be a 3&D guy. _________________ “like I never left”
I think if he can drop 15lbs he would be a better defender. He seems athletic enough and his jumper is already there. That weight loss would help him move better laterally. He has a chance to be a 3&D guy.
Agreed. Being 6'8 and a capable high volume 3 point shooter already works in his favor.
But I swear sometimes I worry about Lakers fans. They say they want shooters all the time, then a 6'8 high volume one falls into their lap out of college and they take them for granted like they just grow on trees. Meanwhile they spend entire seasons wanting to trade half the roster for one.
He'd be a scoring leader in many leagues, but he's not an NBA player, imo. It's a shame, maybe he can put it together and show he can put in the work to get where he needs to be. _________________ "I got Wheaties!"
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