The South Bay Lakers have parted ways with Head Coach Dane Johnson.
Johnson led South Bay to a 26-24 overall record in the 2023-24 G League season. During his tenure as head coach, four players earned NBA Call-Ups.
Seems odd to have a guy coach your Summer League team if you’re going to fire them a few weeks later. Particularly when the entire new coaching staff was sitting there courtside. _________________ 14-5-3-12
The South Bay Lakers have parted ways with Head Coach Dane Johnson.
Johnson led South Bay to a 26-24 overall record in the 2023-24 G League season. During his tenure as head coach, four players earned NBA Call-Ups.
Seems odd to have a guy coach your Summer League team if you’re going to fire them a few weeks later. Particularly when the entire new coaching staff was sitting there courtside.
Maybe they want to hire a guy who owes LeBron for the opportunity and uses Bronny however he is told to.
Pretty sure he was also responsible for Patrick Williams looking good coming out of the NBA, I’m confident he can turn Bronny James into a solid 2-way role player in the NBA
The South Bay Lakers have parted ways with Head Coach Dane Johnson.
Johnson led South Bay to a 26-24 overall record in the 2023-24 G League season. During his tenure as head coach, four players earned NBA Call-Ups.
Seems odd to have a guy coach your Summer League team if you’re going to fire them a few weeks later. Particularly when the entire new coaching staff was sitting there courtside.
JJ was asked (by the media) about coaching the summer league team. He was open to it. However Pelinka said that the SPL seasons in summer are like the prime time when it comes to free agency and decisions on player movement and so he needed the HC to consult with.
What's funny, we end up making no moves. There was no player movement in that time. So probably, Redick could have gained some needed coaching experience and even installed some of his new playbook with the minds of Knecht, Bronny, Lewis etc. now. There wasn't really much FA (if any) action going on. Certainly not enough to justify the possible gain you get in Redick coaching at the SPL. He would have gained some needed experience and also set the table up for Knecht/Bronny etc on what they need to do.
Just not a well run organisation when it comes to these things.
The South Bay Lakers have parted ways with Head Coach Dane Johnson.
Johnson led South Bay to a 26-24 overall record in the 2023-24 G League season. During his tenure as head coach, four players earned NBA Call-Ups.
Seems odd to have a guy coach your Summer League team if you’re going to fire them a few weeks later. Particularly when the entire new coaching staff was sitting there courtside.
JJ was asked (by the media) about coaching the summer league team. He was open to it. However Pelinka said that the SPL seasons in summer are like the prime time when it comes to free agency and decisions on player movement and so he needed the HC to consult with.
What's funny, we end up making no moves. There was no player movement in that time. So probably, Redick could have gained some needed coaching experience and even installed some of his new playbook with the minds of Knecht, Bronny, Lewis etc. now. There wasn't really much FA (if any) action going on. Certainly not enough to justify the possible gain you get in Redick coaching at the SPL. He would have gained some needed experience and also set the table up for Knecht/Bronny etc on what they need to do.
Just not a well run organisation when it comes to these things.
That’s an absurd line of reasoning from them. They play like 4-5 games. Add in a practice here and there and there’s plenty of time to consult JJ on doing absolutely nothing. And even if he’s truly needed why not let one of his new assistants do it? Why let a guy you’re about to fire do it with Ham’s playbook? I just can’t with these people anymore. _________________ 14-5-3-12
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That’s an absurd line of reasoning from them. They play like 4-5 games. Add in a practice here and there and there’s plenty of time to consult JJ on doing absolutely nothing. And even if he’s truly needed why not let one of his new assistants do it? Why let a guy you’re about to fire do it with Ham’s playbook? I just can’t with these people anymore.
With smart people you often have moments where you go "woah, now why didn't anyone else think of that??". With this regime it's the opposite, you scratch your head wondering for the thousandth time if there's some method to their consistent "meh".
For what JJ wants to run, this would be the base lineup
Starters:
DLO
Christie
Rui or Vando
LeBron
AD
Bench:
Vincent
Reaves
Knecht
Vando or Rui
Wood / Hayes
That would be the lineups to go with.
I’m skeptical of repeating a similar mistake that Darvin Ham made tinkering with the starting line up. AD/Rui/LBJ/AR/Dlo should be the starters until proven differently on the court in real games instead of taking the risk of conceiving hypothetical games on paper. That mistake cost the Lakers quite a bit last season.
The minutes rotation is there to tinker and experiment with combinations. Until other players actually earn it on the court in real games it seems best to go with the starters that turned this past season around. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
For what JJ wants to run, this would be the base lineup
Starters:
DLO
Christie
Rui or Vando
LeBron
AD
Bench:
Vincent
Reaves
Knecht
Vando or Rui
Wood / Hayes
That would be the lineups to go with.
I’m skeptical of repeating a similar mistake that Darvin Ham made tinkering with the starting line up. AD/Rui/LBJ/AR/Dlo should be the starters until proven differently on the court in real games instead of taking the risk of conceiving hypothetical games on paper. That mistake cost the Lakers quite a bit last season.
The minutes rotation is there to tinker and experiment with combinations. Until other players actually earn it on the court in real games it seems best to go with the starters that turned this past season around.
Redick talked a lot about the numbers. My guess is he'll go with the best mathematical data supporting lineups from last year - assuming health to those players.
For sure I see us starting Rui/DLO/Reaves to begin with. We probably see some experimentation in preseason with some lineups.
Unlike some who come into a new job, this is not a re-build situation. This is not even a lot of new players/team situation. It's virtually the identical team, just with Knecht in place instead of Prince.
Just based on last year's data, for lineups, Redick should already have a great idea of what he wants to do to begin the year. My guess is he's going to start Rui/DLO/Reaves. I think the guys that lose the most minutes/opportunities, are guys that can't really make an impact on offense. Reddish for sure, maybe Vanderbilt, Vincent types. Players like Wood, Rui, DLO, Reaves, Knecht even likely see more consistency with their minutes/roles. Just a hunch.
I see us having more of an offense oriented core this year.
Top 8 in minutes IMO: AD, Bron, DLO, Reaves, Rui, Wood, Christie, Knecht. I see Reaves/Christie/DLO getting a lot of time. Same with Rui/Wood/Knecht.
All assuming those players are healthy and in shape at RS start.
For example the AD/Bron/Rui/DLO/Reaves lineup had a 115.9 rating last year from when Rui began to play regularly with the starters.
Another lineup that was quite good was AD/Bron/Prince/Christie/DLO. So probably you see some faith that maybe Christie can play more minutes and maybe even be a starter.
One key guy that we lost was Prince and he seems to be in some of our better lineups. Interesting to see if Knecht and Rui can step in and take those minutes. I feel on offense, they should be even better.
In general, I feel on offense, we should be much better this coming year. Where I have concern is defensively.
For example the AD/Bron/Rui/DLO/Reaves lineup had a 115.9 rating last year from when Rui began to play regularly with the starters.
Another lineup that was quite good was AD/Bron/Prince/Christie/DLO. So probably you see some faith that maybe Christie can play more minutes and maybe even be a starter.
One key guy that we lost was Prince and he seems to be in some of our better lineups. Interesting to see if Knecht and Rui can step in and take those minutes. I feel on offense, they should be even better.
In general, I feel on offense, we should be much better this coming year. Where I have concern is defensively.
Gonna be AD all by himself on defense again if we go with those starters. I don't like the balance personally, but they can definitely win a good amount of regular season games.
For example the AD/Bron/Rui/DLO/Reaves lineup had a 115.9 rating last year from when Rui began to play regularly with the starters.
Another lineup that was quite good was AD/Bron/Prince/Christie/DLO. So probably you see some faith that maybe Christie can play more minutes and maybe even be a starter.
One key guy that we lost was Prince and he seems to be in some of our better lineups. Interesting to see if Knecht and Rui can step in and take those minutes. I feel on offense, they should be even better.
In general, I feel on offense, we should be much better this coming year. Where I have concern is defensively.
Gonna be AD all by himself on defense again if we go with those starters. I don't like the balance personally, but they can definitely win a good amount of regular season games.
@Wolf don’t know if you left Vando out on purpose or forgot about him so @defense, Vando’s versatility to defend SG/SF/PF imo seems on paper as a the best option to get minutes off the bench to pair with AD to support the team defensively. I tend to prefer to put the best on the court as starters then adjust minutes depending on matchups. This allows experimentation with the hypothetical vision on paper to test its effectiveness. It’s less disruptive to adjust minutes than replacing starters since you’d have to switch again if it didn’t work out, just adjust minutes until it’s consistently proven on the court to be the right move before changing starters.
The minutes leaders after the starters of AD/Rui/LBJ/AR/Dlo…imo unless there are unforeseen changes or unexpected improvements…will be;
Wood because of limited productive back up C options,
Vando because his defense is game changing possibly at 3 positions,
MaxChris because he’ll be a two way back up at SG subbing for AR since AR will likely do double duty as starting SG and back up PG.
Knecht and/or Vincent could make my predictions wrong but since the team is great offensively (top 5?), but bad defensively (bottom 5?), with several playmaking options, I see Vando getting more minutes than those two. Knecht’s offensive won’t be needed as much as Vando’s defense and Vincent’s playmaking/defense impact won’t surpass MaxC/AR. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
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For example the AD/Bron/Rui/DLO/Reaves lineup had a 115.9 rating last year from when Rui began to play regularly with the starters.
Another lineup that was quite good was AD/Bron/Prince/Christie/DLO. So probably you see some faith that maybe Christie can play more minutes and maybe even be a starter.
One key guy that we lost was Prince and he seems to be in some of our better lineups. Interesting to see if Knecht and Rui can step in and take those minutes. I feel on offense, they should be even better.
In general, I feel on offense, we should be much better this coming year. Where I have concern is defensively.
Gonna be AD all by himself on defense again if we go with those starters. I don't like the balance personally, but they can definitely win a good amount of regular season games.
@Wolf don’t know if you left Vando out on purpose or forgot about him so @defense, Vando’s versatility to defend SG/SF/PF imo seems on paper as a good option to get minutes off the bench to pair with AD to support the team defensively. I tend to prefer to put the best on the court as starters then adjust minutes depending on matchups to experiment with the hypothetical vision on paper to test its effectiveness. It’s less disruptive to adjust minutes than replacing starters.
The minutes leaders after the starters of AD/Rui/LBJ/AR/Dlo…imo unless there are unforeseen changes or unexpected improvements…will be;
Wood because of limited productive back up C options,
Vando because his defense is game changing possibly at 3 positions,
MaxChris because he’ll be a two way back up at SG subbing for AR since AR will likely do double duty as starting SG and back up PG.
Knecht and/or Vincent could make my predictions wrong but since the team is great offensively (top 5?), but bad defensively (bottom 5?), with several playmaking options, I see Vando getting more minutes than those two. Knecht’s offensive won’t be needed as much as Vando’s defense and Vincent’s playmaking/defense impact won’t surpass MaxC/AR.
I get where you are coming from. We will see how it plays out.
Vando helps hide DLo's bad defense so they need to play together.
It does look that way hypothetically on paper and could play out realistically that way on the court. JJ should definitely experiment with the line up during the game.
Ham thought similarly tho…theoretically…and started CamRed/TPrince which looked feasible on paper but the actual results on the court were different. Experimentation with minutes distribution first before changing the starters seems to be the best course of action to prevent having to flip flop then flop flip the starting roster if it doesn’t work out. Oh, that whole getting behind by double digits with new starters to start the game can be avoided too if the experiments are phased in methodically with limited minutes distribution to see if the theory works on the court. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
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lakersfever714 wrote:
Vando helps hide DLo's bad defense so they need to play together.
I'm starting Vandy no matter what and just hope he can be respectable from 3. This current crop is hammering player development....well lock Jared in the gym forcing thousands of outside shots until that becomes semi-wet. Vandy with an average 3 changes everything for this team. _________________ The butter's hard and the eggs are chillin' in the dark.
If you're starting Vando. Then you move Christie to the 2 for three point shooting and defense as well.
You have your two key defenders along the wing and you have AD in the paint and high post and you ask Christie to play the KCP role.
And you hope that LeBron can replicate his three point shooting from last season, because Vando is the slasher role that LeBron likes to be if that happens.
You'd have your three primary scorers, AD/DLO/LBJ and you'd have your three and D in Christie and you'd have your D and slasher in Vando.
The bench scoring would be Reaves, Vincent, Rui and Wood, and Knecht able to come along slowly and continue to progress and score and not be asked to do too much early on. To be frank, Reaves and Rui scoring off the bench should be enough in and of itself to make them one of the best benches in the league. The Lakers would have a strong bench, their starting lineup would be relient on the scoring of the main 3, and also Christie and Vando being able to score when open.
In the starting lineup you have
Defenders: Christie, Vando, AD
Scorers: DLO, LBJ, AD
Playmakers: DLO, LBJ
Three Point shooters: DLO, Christie, LBJ(if he keeps up from last season)
With the bench you have
Defenders: Vincent
Scorers: Reaves, Rui, Wood(if used right)
Three point shooters: Rui, Wood, Reaves (if he improves from last season), Knecht
So if anything the bench offense should be using their youth and athleticism and three point shooting to run teams out of the building, and the starting unit is going to need to rely on more organized basketball, sets. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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