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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 2:11 pm    Post subject:

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Dalton is gonna feast off Bron/AD being doubled. I really think he can be ROY this season.


He won't play enough

If he's healthy he will. Any injuries to any of the guards will open up more time for him at the 2. Any injuries to Vando, Rui, LeBron will open up more time at the 3


I mean... well yea, if people get hurt, but I was saying if our forwards and SG's are relatively healthy.

Rui, DLo, AR, Christie were all healthy last season for the most part. Then there is Vando and Reddish.

I would be shocked if he averaged more than 15 minutes a game. Christie averaged 14 last season and has shown promise on both ends.

Well this is a hot take but with the way injuries go I'm expecting him to be closer to 20. Can't expect Rui, DLO, AR, Christie to all play 70+ games and it adds up
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 2:12 pm    Post subject:

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He can be our second ballhandler for when Lebron is resting. Don't need DLo that much anymore.
you're really setting Knecht up for failure if you think he's going to replace even 10% of Russell's ballhandling and playmaking
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 4:51 pm    Post subject:

His athleticism for a shooter like him is such a fantastic thing to have. I imagine what he is capable of when he gets into NBA shape and on their regiments and is even more explosive and athletic.

If we tighten up his handle like we tightened up Reaves's it will be quite a show.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:43 pm    Post subject:

His ability to shoot effortlessly from 2' behind the arc with a quick, high release is a lethal skill. That will provide a lot of space for Bron and AD. Throw in he helps in transition and can attack a closeout and he's a perfect wing compliment offensively.

He needs to become a plus defender though. Not letting him get away with a low bar.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:22 am    Post subject:

Doubt that he will be asked to distribute because it would distract/limit his strength - shooting

Hopefully JJ has provided him countless breakdowns of videos showing how players like JJ to Curry to Klay to Dame to Reggie Miller to Danny Green to others on the benefits to keep moving and using screen to get just a moment in time to have airspace to get many shots - especially since AD/LBJ’s gravity will suck defenses into the paint

Doing P&Rs w/Vando will lead to Vando closing at the paint or a pass to another player and/or a clean sharpshooter
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 8:34 am    Post subject:

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He can be our second ballhandler for when Lebron is resting. Don't need DLo that much anymore.
you're really setting Knecht up for failure if you think he's going to replace even 10% of Russell's ballhandling and playmaking

not really. the org prioritized player development. Not winning a ring. So develop. No better way than to play through it. We know, and everyone in the league knows who/what DLO is. unfortunately, we are stuck with him. Cant even give him away. Connect is better suited for a JJ scheme. Assuming he has one.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 2:59 pm    Post subject:

How much time he'll get will be predicated on his defense. That means a lot of work in the weight room. Looking forward to see how he performs in training camp and preseason.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:09 pm    Post subject:

Dlo (30)/vincent (18)
Max (18) /reaves (30)
Vando (24)/knecht (15)/Rui(9)
Bron (35)/Rui (13)
AD (35)/Wood (18)

This is the rotation id like to see. I’m hoping JHS shows the jump I’m expecting and makes Gabe expendable though.

Our bench would be best in the NBA imo
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 6:59 am    Post subject:

Hot fire take

Reaves
Christie
Vando
Lebron
Davis

4 guys who will give maximum effort defensively.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 7:50 am    Post subject:

I feel like this guy is a Chef a Maestro - He is gonna cook people just like Austin did/does

I know college doesn't instantly translate to NBA, but who has a faster release than this guy... it is mindboggling
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 5:14 pm    Post subject:

Knecht Four:
Lakers Rookie Dalton Knecht Talks About His Rise From Junior College, to Tennessee to the League
https://www.slamonline.com/the-magazine/251/dalton-knecht-251/
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:27 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
Hot fire take

Reaves
Christie
Vando
Lebron
Davis

4 guys who will give maximum effort defensively.


Who’s the one giving max effort between Reaves and LeBron?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 11:11 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
Hot fire take

Reaves
Christie
Vando
Lebron
Davis

4 guys who will give maximum effort defensively.

Reaves has way too much offensive responsibility to give max effort here
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 12:05 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
Hot fire take

Reaves
Christie
Vando
Lebron
Davis

4 guys who will give maximum effort defensively.


What about Knecht? How do you predict his effort to be defensively? Is it projected to be productive? It’s important to never mistake activity for productivity such as the take alludes.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 12:09 pm    Post subject:

Hanging from Rafters wrote:
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Hot fire take

Reaves
Christie
Vando
Lebron
Davis

4 guys who will give maximum effort defensively.


Never mistake activity for productivity.

I’m hoping Reaves is working on his 3pt shooting, because that’s the most realistic expectation to improve his effectiveness. He tries on defense and still gets hunted and torched.


Reaves is active on defense and unproductive, not to be viewed positively.


I don't want to be long winded, but I disagree with this. I have seen both Davis and Lebron "hunted" as recently as our last playoff battle. The goal is to put as many guys out there that will give you the effort. If you do that, the defense will be better because it's easier to defend as a team, than individually. They work together on a string and they can make things happen defensively. That's my opinion anyway.

Defense is valued so little in today's NBA that people consistently only want to put out offensive players. The Celtics were not as good as they were because they had 5 guys that could score. They were that good because they had 5 guys that could defend. Tatum and Brown are not All NBA defenders, but they will give the effort when the team needs it. Once they do that Boston becomes very difficult to beat. Individually White isn't even that great, but you put him along side other good defenders and it's another story. It takes a team to defend.

P.S. I just realized this is the connect thread... ok I'm done about Reaves and defense.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:58 pm    Post subject:

The "hunted" thing is kind of short-sighted. You could hunt a strong defender, indeed teams are so used to hunting big men that they will hunt AD on the PnR. But AD will win enough battles that honestly the Lakers are more than happy for that to happen.

So the question isn't just how often you are being hunted, but how many points per possession you're giving up when hunted. Curry was always targeted in the playoffs but he was a just good enough defender that teams that his team still had a chance to win by playing better offense. That's why he's got 4 rings.

No comment on Reaves and Knecht on this front because I actually lack an intuition on this question (somehow)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 8:01 am    Post subject:

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The "hunted" thing is kind of short-sighted. You could hunt a strong defender, indeed teams are so used to hunting big men that they will hunt AD on the PnR. But AD will win enough battles that honestly the Lakers are more than happy for that to happen.

So the question isn't just how often you are being hunted, but how many points per possession you're giving up when hunted. Curry was always targeted in the playoffs but he was a just good enough defender that teams that his team still had a chance to win by playing better offense. That's why he's got 4 rings.

No comment on Reaves and Knecht on this front because I actually lack an intuition on this question (somehow)


Hunted and “TORCHED”, we shouldn’t omit the torched part lol! I like that AR gives good activity on defense, but his lack of productivity on defense started to surface with the Lakers a couple seasons ago, then got exposed in FIBA and was finally exploited this past season. The best we can realistically hope for imo from an athletically challenged 26yrs old is that the effort on defense continues while the 3pt shooting improves to ~40% with ^volume. AR is active on defense but he is not productive on defense overall. It takes maximum effort to spin positivity for AR defensively and it still doesn’t work. The coaching scheme and teammates can cover for AR tho causing his overall impact to work out as a net positive, especially if AR becomes a legitimate 3pt threat.

If AR’s activity on defense is confused with productivity, the impact will end up hurting the Lakers. The necessary adjustments…for the overall results to be a net positive with AR…by the coach and other players won’t be done if it isn’t even recognized that adjustments need to be made. I saw the lack of adjustments a lot with Ham’s schemes.

We’re off track on the main point of all this tho…to get back on…I hope Knecht minimally can become a 38%ish 3pt shooter and have at least slightly more productivity than AR defensively as opposed to being just an ok 3pt shooter around 35% and unproductive on defense. The Lakers will need that from Knecht along with MaxChris to make up for TPrince 3pt shooting now gone.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 9:03 am    Post subject:

Bulked up during the summer it seems.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 10:00 am    Post subject:

Hanging from Rafters wrote:
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The "hunted" thing is kind of short-sighted. You could hunt a strong defender, indeed teams are so used to hunting big men that they will hunt AD on the PnR. But AD will win enough battles that honestly the Lakers are more than happy for that to happen.

So the question isn't just how often you are being hunted, but how many points per possession you're giving up when hunted. Curry was always targeted in the playoffs but he was a just good enough defender that teams that his team still had a chance to win by playing better offense. That's why he's got 4 rings.

No comment on Reaves and Knecht on this front because I actually lack an intuition on this question (somehow)


Hunted and “TORCHED”, we shouldn’t omit the torched part lol! I like that AR gives good activity on defense, but his lack of productivity on defense started to surface with the Lakers a couple seasons ago, then got exposed in FIBA and was finally exploited this past season. The best we can realistically hope for imo from an athletically challenged 26yrs old is that the effort on defense continues while the 3pt shooting improves to ~40% with ^volume. AR is active on defense but he is not productive on defense overall. It takes maximum effort to spin positivity for AR defensively and it still doesn’t work. The coaching scheme and teammates can cover for AR tho causing his overall impact to work out as a net positive, especially if AR becomes a legitimate 3pt threat.

If AR’s activity on defense is confused with productivity, the impact will end up hurting the Lakers. The necessary adjustments…for the overall results to be a net positive with AR…by the coach and other players won’t be done if it isn’t even recognized that adjustments need to be made. I saw the lack of adjustments a lot with Ham’s schemes.

We’re off track on the main point of all this tho…to get back on…I hope Knecht minimally can become a 38%ish 3pt shooter and have at least slightly more productivity than AR defensively as opposed to being just an ok 3pt shooter around 35% and unproductive on defense. The Lakers will need that from Knecht along with MaxChris to make up for TPrince 3pt shooting now gone.


Describing Austin as getting "TORCHED" on defense, is being a bit hyperbolic, imo. He's average in isolation, but has issues navigating picks/screens. Not quick enough to consistently slip them, or recovering to his assignment when going under.

That said, its idea for Austin to not be the Lakers primary perimeter defender. Unfortunately, with Vando/Gabe's injuries, and Cam's inconsistency...and Ham's weird refusal to play Max...that role was thrust upon Austin. Tired legs, and all. We can only hope that Vando makes a full recovery, and is healthy for the regular season. Everyone being slotted into proper roles is huge...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 2:26 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 9:21 pm    Post subject:

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Niiioce!!! Dude has some hops! It’s cool to see he has the prospective ability to be more than just a 3pt shooter.
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Niiioce!!! Dude has some hops! It’s cool to see he has the prospective ability to be more than just a 3pt shooter.


Yeah he definitely has ups. He had a 39" vertical at the combine.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:00 pm    Post subject:

I really don’t understand NBA teams and their listed heights. He’s listed at 6’5 but measured 6’5.25 at the combine without shoes. Meanwhile, JHS and Max measured 6’4 and are listed at 6’5 lol

Austin measured 6’4.5 and is listed at 6’5 lol
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:16 am    Post subject:

Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:34 pm    Post subject:

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Very excited to see Knecht this season, It's been a long time since we actually draft a player that has lottery level talent. I hope he get plenty of play time so he can get accustom to the speed and mature quickly.


Yeah, he's a player Lakers need to develop. He could be an even more
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