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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:54 am Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
The truth is that the more people see and hear Trump, the less they like him. Because they are reminded why they voted him out the first time. Plus he's much worse now than in 2020. More unhinged, more crazy, more word-salad, more obvious brain farts. Just more deranged and out-of-touch with reality.
There are videos from today where he is supposedly answering "policy" questions from a group in NYC. Every answer is long blocks of unrelated word salad pasted together that have no meaning and don't answer the question. It's crazy.
If any other politician talked this way there were political career would be over. If any CEO talked this way they would be booted out by their board.
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:56 am Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
The truth is that the more people see and hear Trump, the less they like him. Because they are reminded why they voted him out the first time. Plus he's much worse now than in 2020. More unhinged, more crazy, more word-salad, more obvious brain farts. Just more deranged and out-of-touch with reality.
There are videos from today where he is supposedly answering "policy" questions from a group in NYC. Every answer is long blocks of unrelated word salad pasted together that have no meaning and don't answer the question. It's crazy.
If any other politician talked this way there were political career would be over. If any CEO talked this way they would be booted out by their board.
Trump says his wandering speech is deliberate. He calls it “the weave.” I’ll talk about, like, nine different things, and they all come back brilliantly together, and it’s like, and friends of mine that are, like, English professors, they say, ‘It's the most brilliant thing I've ever seen.’”
This Russian stuff is disturbing. I hope ABC does their job and ask trump about it at the debate. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold.
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:58 am Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
The truth is that the more people see and hear Trump, the less they like him. Because they are reminded why they voted him out the first time. Plus he's much worse now than in 2020. More unhinged, more crazy, more word-salad, more obvious brain farts. Just more deranged and out-of-touch with reality.
There are videos from today where he is supposedly answering "policy" questions from a group in NYC. Every answer is long blocks of unrelated word salad pasted together that have no meaning and don't answer the question. It's crazy.
If any other politician talked this way there were political career would be over. If any CEO talked this way they would be booted out by their board.
Trump says his wandering speech is deliberate. He calls it “the weave.” I’ll talk about, like, nine different things, and they all come back brilliantly together, and it’s like, and friends of mine that are, like, English professors, they say, ‘It's the most brilliant thing I've ever seen.’”
“Big, strong professors with tears in their eyes came to me and said, ‘Sir, this is the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen.’”
Joined: 19 Nov 2001 Posts: 18294 Location: Orlando
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:12 am Post subject:
32 wrote:
This Russian stuff is disturbing. I hope ABC does their job and ask trump about it at the debate.
Spoiler: they won’t.
Another spoiler: it’s going to be very difficult for Harris to ‘win’ this debate in the eyes of the media. First it’s been hyped and expected she’s going to wipe the floor with him, so anything less than a complete shellacking is going to be spun as a loss for Harris. Also every tiny thing Harris says will be analyzed and parsed to death and the subject of multiple articles with dubious headlines. She must be 100% perfect in everything she says, or the media will ounce.
Unless Trump gets on that stage and takes a wet (bleep) in his hand and wipes it on David Muir’s face, his behavior will be spun as normal and restrained. And even then, it likely makes a lot of people vote even harder for him.
I actually followed Trump's answer despite the weird digression to Ivanka and Rubio and found it coherent. It's just absolute and utter garbage. His take is "we'll get so much money from tariffs that we can fund anything I want, including childcare" which is so divorced from reality.
The issue here is the economic illiteracy of this country, Trump can just pretend like tariffs are a magic cure all that will fix everything without any drawbacks. Because the swing voter knows nothing, has no economic priors, and doesn't trust institutions (e.g. economists, journalists), Trump can keep blustering with blatant lies without any real pushback.
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I actually followed Trump's answer despite the weird digression to Ivanka and Rubio and found it coherent. It's just absolute and utter garbage. His take is "we'll get so much money from tariffs that we can fund anything I want, including childcare" which is so divorced from reality.
The issue here is the economic illiteracy of this country, Trump can just pretend like tariffs are a magic cure all that will fix everything without any drawbacks. Because the swing voter knows nothing, has no economic priors, and doesn't trust institutions (e.g. economists, journalists), Trump can keep blustering with blatant lies without any real pushback.
It's not just the economic illiteracy of the country, it's that people in that room allow him to speak gibberish. Wouldn't it be great if one of the "policy" people there said "That's not how tariffs work, and you've been spreading misinformation about how tariffs work for years. Here is how tariffs work"?
But I'm afraid he'll say the same nonsense at the debate and it won't be countered by the moderators and even Harris in any effective way. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid!
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:36 am Post subject:
tox wrote:
I actually followed Trump's answer despite the weird digression to Ivanka and Rubio and found it coherent. It's just absolute and utter garbage. His take is "we'll get so much money from tariffs that we can fund anything I want, including childcare" which is so divorced from reality.
The issue here is the economic illiteracy of this country, Trump can just pretend like tariffs are a magic cure all that will fix everything without any drawbacks. Because the swing voter knows nothing, has no economic priors, and doesn't trust institutions (e.g. economists, journalists), Trump can keep blustering with blatant lies without any real pushback.
They need to start calling tariffs what they actually are - tax hikes on the working class, because that extra cost is just going to be passed on to the consumer.
So this is how the New York Times cleaned it up for him:
Quote:
2 hours ago Michael Gold
After his speech, Donald Trump was asked how
he might address rising child care costs. In a
jumbled answer, he said he would prioritize
legislation on the issue but offered no specifics
and insisted that his other economic policies,
including tariffs, would "take care" of child care.
"As much as child care is talked about as being
expensive, it's, relatively speaking, not very
expensive compared to the kind of numbers
we'll be taking in."
This is how a major media organization actively participates in the normalization of a lunatic. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid!
Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 17511 Location: In a no-ship
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:52 am Post subject:
Wilt wrote:
So this is how the New York Times cleaned it up for him:
Quote:
2 hours ago Michael Gold
After his speech, Donald Trump was asked how
he might address rising child care costs. In a
jumbled answer, he said he would prioritize
legislation on the issue but offered no specifics
and insisted that his other economic policies,
including tariffs, would "take care" of child care.
"As much as child care is talked about as being
expensive, it's, relatively speaking, not very
expensive compared to the kind of numbers
we'll be taking in."
This is how a major media organization actively participates in the normalization of a lunatic.
The NYT is just a stone's throw away from being RT this election cycle.
So this is how the New York Times cleaned it up for him:
Quote:
2 hours ago Michael Gold
After his speech, Donald Trump was asked how
he might address rising child care costs. In a
jumbled answer, he said he would prioritize
legislation on the issue but offered no specifics
and insisted that his other economic policies,
including tariffs, would "take care" of child care.
"As much as child care is talked about as being
expensive, it's, relatively speaking, not very
expensive compared to the kind of numbers
we'll be taking in."
This is how a major media organization actively participates in the normalization of a lunatic.
That's why you have to force voters to watch him for themselves without the media spin. That's what the Harris campaign is doing via their ads and responses on social media. They play the crazy nonsensical clip so voters can see it themselves. Then you don't need NYT spin.
Yea so the crazy is unrestrained. Otherwise his silence when Harris is speaking is going to lead to Van Jones saying stuff like “he was so restrained, and he turned a new leaf. He became president tonight.”
Too true to be funny . . .
I think the strategy will be for Harris to trigger him into overreacting and making fool of himself when it's his turn. She does that better than most because she can do it with a smile and without seeming mean. Nothing about Biden triggered Trump so he gave his word salad answers with a somewhat even temperament. The key will be to metaphorically punch him in the mouth early before people click away.
Plus she is black, a woman and more intelligent than he is, which are already massive triggers for him.
We'll see. It's not an easy task to "debate" an unhinged sociopath who is a firehose of lies.
Dude plays so many roles it is mind boggling
Victim is one of his major roles. The Bully that is always being bullied
It's an abuse triangle. As a narcissist, he switches back and forth in the drama triangle role between bully (the straightforward abuser) and victim (he wants you to feel like the abuser for holding him accountable). And also goes to the rescuer "Only I can fix this" mode where he tries to get people to be dependent on him to save the day. His followers amplify those roles and embody the abuse triangle.
Politics will weaponize their resentment. Add more emergencies to the mix. Amp up the speed and urgency and stakes.
You have to be careful about giving certain things he says the fuel he wants. But they need to be called out for what they are doing. There was a viral clip going around of a woman telling a story about wearing a Harris t-shirt and a MAGA said she was brave to wear that. She flipped it back on him, with why does she need to be brave? Why does she need to be in fear? (Why are MAGAs so abusive, basically.) More of that needs to happen, IMO. They need to reflect on taking the role of abusers. They are embodying the tactics of abusers. They need to sit with that.
Make them aware. Ask if that's what they want to be known for?
The political press’s efforts to rationalize Trump’s incoherent statements are eroding our shared reality and threatening informed democracy.
Quote:
Four years ago, in an article for Media Matters for America, I warned that journalists were sanitizing Donald Trump’s incoherent ramblings to make them more palatable for the average voter. The general practice went like this: The press would take something Trump said or did—for instance, using a visit to the Centers for Disease Control to ask about Fox News’s ratings, insult then–Washington Governor Jay Inslee, rant about his attempt to extort Ukraine into digging up dirt on Joe Biden, and downplay the rising number of Covid-19 cases in the U.S.—and write them up as The New York Times did: “Trump Says ‘People Have to Remain Calm’ Amid Coronavirus Outbreak.” This had the effect of making it seem like Trump’s words and actions seemed cogent and sensible for the vast majority of Americans who didn’t happen to watch his rant live.
Flash-forward to today, and it’s clear this problem has only worsened. As Trump’s statements grow increasingly unhinged in his old age, major news outlets continue to reframe his words, presenting a dangerously misleading picture to the public.
Quote:
This “sanewashing” of Trump’s statements isn’t just poor journalism; it’s a form of misinformation that poses a threat to democracy. By continually reframing Trump’s incoherent and often dangerous rhetoric as conventional political discourse, major news outlets are failing in their duty to inform the public and are instead providing cover for increasingly erratic behavior from a former—and potentially future—president.
The consequences of this journalistic malpractice extend far beyond misleading headlines. By laundering Trump’s words in this fashion, the media is actively participating in the erosion of our shared reality. When major news outlets consistently present a polished version of Trump’s statements, they create an alternate narrative that exists alongside the unfiltered truth available on social media and in unedited footage.
Voters who rely solely on traditional news sources are presented with a version of Trump that bears little resemblance to reality. They see a former president who, while controversial, appears to operate within the bounds of normal political discourse—or at worst, is breaking with it in some kind of refreshing manner. You can see this folie à deux at work in a recent Times piece occasioned by Trump’s amplification of social media posts alleging that Harris owed her career to the provision of “blowjobs”: “Though he has a history of making crass insults about his opponents, the reposts signal Mr. Trump’s willingness to continue to shatter longstanding norms of political speech.” Meanwhile, those who seek out primary sources encounter a starkly different figure—one prone to conspiracy theories, personal attacks, and extreme rhetoric.
Judge Chutkan has set a schedule in the federal election case against former President Trump that will allow prosecutors to release never-before-seen evidence, such as grand jury transcripts, ahead of the presidential election
Florida Dept. of State re-examining abortion rights amendment signatures
Quote:
An email to Hillsborough County's elections officials from Brad McVay, a high-ranking official in the state department says, "On behalf of the Department I am requesting your county pull for our review the verified petitions associated with each of the circulators listed in the attachments. Most of the circulators listed represent known or suspected fraudsters, several others have very concerning invalidity rates. We would like to review the petitions that were verified as valid submitted by these individuals."
Trump says Musk would head a government efficiency commission if he's re-elected]
Good god. It’s insane to me how many bad ideas this guy has. How the ever loving (bleep) is this election close?
We all know the answer to that one.
still. it shouldn't be close. even a functioning racist can see he's an idiot
They don't care because they know he is like minded. He serves their purposes in that regard, and more.
They actually like that he's an idiot because it makes them feel less bad about their own stupidity. It's the MAGA moron club. And I mean this with all sincerity. They are the stupidest people in this country bound together by their collective stupidity and their hatred of everyone outside their moron club.
Kamala needs to announce that she'll accept Putin's endorsement as soon as Russia pulls all of its troops out of Ukraine. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
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