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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | I think there's a possibility LaVine could be dealt next summer. This summer would require too much draft capital from the Bulls. Better for them to see jf he can have a healthy season. |
That’s why you jump on it now if you can get multiple first round picks |
Trading for LaVine would cost Jeanie a lot of money and put Pelinka on the hot seat when the team struggled competitively. That isn't a surviver move. |
You make me want it to happen more then 😂
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| Japago wrote: | I think most people realize changes aren't coming soon.
But, they're needed and the Lakers will be looking to do business at some point during the season unless they've completely given up.
We know what this team is by now. It's been the same core since the 2023 trade deadline.
It was a team that was short of elite during those playoffs, and has since had more teams pass them through roster moves or growth from legitimately good young players.
There's nothing new the Lakers are going to see from this roster. I think even they know that. They just haven't been able to find the moves they want to make. |
Lakers are always looking for that piece to put them over the top it’s been like that since even before Dr.Buss was the owner which is why the Lakers have been to the NBA Finals like 32 teams since they moved to L.A., even though Jeanie seems to think highly of Pelinka, I think Pelinka has a lot of pressure on him, I could see him being on the hot seat as soon as next summer if the team ends up not making a run at a championship so my assumption with that is that a trade can happen at any moment because LeBron wants to win and he didn’t sign the extension just to play with his son he wants to win and when he signed that extension Jeanie most likely promised him that the Organization is gonna try putting together a trade to help this team, it might not happen now but December/ Trade deadline could get real interesting. |
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Jake was right about the Lakers offering Osman a training camp deal, looks like Cedi wanted a bigger role and contract
| Quote: | Panathinaikos announced the signing of Cedi Osman on Saturday.
Osman returns to Europe for the first time since 2017.
Osman was reportedly in advanced talks with Real Madrid and had received training camp interest from the Lakers. |
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/277197/Cedi-Osman-Signs-With-Panathinaikos |
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| We have Lebron and AD and can't beat out a 1-year deal from a Greek team for a marginal player. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | Jake was right about the Lakers offering Osman a training camp deal, looks like Cedi wanted a bigger role and contract
| Quote: | Panathinaikos announced the signing of Cedi Osman on Saturday.
Osman returns to Europe for the first time since 2017.
Osman was reportedly in advanced talks with Real Madrid and had received training camp interest from the Lakers. |
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/277197/Cedi-Osman-Signs-With-Panathinaikos |
Better for the Lakers to focus on Christie and Knecht.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2024 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | We have Lebron and AD and can't beat out a 1-year deal from a Greek team for a marginal player. |
Money is strong in Europe, wouldn’t be surprised if he got a 7-8M per year offer, with the Lakers he had to go through the task of impressing the Lakers brass, he made a smart decision |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | We have Lebron and AD and can't beat out a 1-year deal from a Greek team for a marginal player. |
Unfortunately I think it's more about what and who we have outside of Lebron and AD, that's not enticing enough for players. |
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| Kobetan wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | We have Lebron and AD and can't beat out a 1-year deal from a Greek team for a marginal player. |
Unfortunately I think it's more about what and who we have outside of Lebron and AD, that's not enticing enough for players. |
Dude, just stop. Money and role is more Important for role players then it is coming into a unique situation, it’s why Jones signed with Phoenix. he was gonna have to battle with guys like Reddish/Christie/Knecht for playing time.. not to mention the whole grind of proving to the Lakers brass that he deserves a spot on the roster |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | We have Lebron and AD and can't beat out a 1-year deal from a Greek team for a marginal player. |
We have been toxic the last 3-4 years. Getting turned down isn’t new
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Cedi turned down a camp invite on a team with a full roster. That's not much of an opportunity.
I'm down on the team right now too, but use common sense. Players want guarantees and opportunities.
The Lakers have a full roster with a lot of of competition at the bottom of the roster.
Even if the Lakers were good, it still wouldn't be an attractive situation for players looking for money and playing time. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Kobetan wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | We have Lebron and AD and can't beat out a 1-year deal from a Greek team for a marginal player. |
Unfortunately I think it's more about what and who we have outside of Lebron and AD, that's not enticing enough for players. |
Dude, just stop. Money and role is more Important for role players then it is coming into a unique situation, it’s why Jones signed with Phoenix. he was gonna have to battle with guys like Reddish/Christie/Knecht for playing time.. not to mention the whole grind of proving to the Lakers brass that he deserves a spot on the roster |
You should move over to the WNBA if you are worried about battling with guys like Reddish/Christie/Knecht.
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| Japago wrote: | Cedi turned down a camp invite on a team with a full roster. That's not much of an opportunity.
I'm down on the team right now too, but use common sense. Players want guarantees and opportunities.
The Lakers have a full roster with a lot of of competition at the bottom of the roster.
Even if the Lakers were good, it still wouldn't be an attractive situation for players looking for money and playing time. |
I agree, but lets not act like he is the first. On the outside, we don't look like a team that has a lot of fun. No one making above 30m per year has any accountability. Going on our 4th coach. not only drafted bronny but guaranteed him 4m. Pelinka just needs to sit back and let this thing play out. he is neutered.
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| deal wrote: | | lar9149 wrote: | I agree
LaVine seems like a definite upgrade I see the argument about injury..
But wasn’t only last season his only injury prone season?
I think there was even a season he played 82 games? Maybe last season was just an exception |
In the last 7 years he has averaged 53 games a season; It's not a one season thing.
(24, 63, 60, 58, 67, 77, 25)
Personally, I would not be rolling the dice on his health. |
I didn't realize this..53 games yikes..I agree than move on |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Japago wrote: | Cedi turned down a camp invite on a team with a full roster. That's not much of an opportunity.
I'm down on the team right now too, but use common sense. Players want guarantees and opportunities.
The Lakers have a full roster with a lot of of competition at the bottom of the roster.
Even if the Lakers were good, it still wouldn't be an attractive situation for players looking for money and playing time. |
I agree, but lets not act like he is the first. On the outside, we don't look like a team that has a lot of fun. No one making above 30m per year has any accountability. Going on our 4th coach. not only drafted bronny but guaranteed him 4m. Pelinka just needs to sit back and let this thing play out. he is neutered. |
It’s the fan base that’s toxic. Outside of Westbrook our guys get along fine. It’s the spoiled Lakers fans that feel entitled to win championships with 100 year old Lebron and average role players at best.
We haven’t had a legit championship caliber squad since 2021. Lebron has declined a lot since then and AD is injury prone. On top of losing some quality role players.
People cry like we have all the ingredients to win but we’re coming up short. If anything we’ve over performed the last 2 years based on our talent level/injury issues. |
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Japago wrote: | Cedi turned down a camp invite on a team with a full roster. That's not much of an opportunity.
I'm down on the team right now too, but use common sense. Players want guarantees and opportunities.
The Lakers have a full roster with a lot of of competition at the bottom of the roster.
Even if the Lakers were good, it still wouldn't be an attractive situation for players looking for money and playing time. |
I agree, but lets not act like he is the first. On the outside, we don't look like a team that has a lot of fun. No one making above 30m per year has any accountability. Going on our 4th coach. not only drafted bronny but guaranteed him 4m. Pelinka just needs to sit back and let this thing play out. he is neutered. |
It’s the fan base that’s toxic. Outside of Westbrook our guys get along fine. It’s the spoiled Lakers fans that feel entitled to win championships with 100 year old Lebron and average role players at best.
We haven’t had a legit championship caliber squad since 2021. Lebron has declined a lot since then and AD is injury prone. On top of losing some quality role players.
People cry like we have all the ingredients to win but we’re coming up short. If anything we’ve over performed the last 2 years based on our talent level/injury issues. |
Getting along and toxic can both exist.
4th coach
Zero accountability
Everyone else’s fault
Not competitive outside of bubble.
If you are a player, knowing all of the above,and you have options, you probably aren’t coming here. When you have zero market we are perfect.
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| lar9149 wrote: | | deal wrote: | | lar9149 wrote: | I agree
LaVine seems like a definite upgrade I see the argument about injury..
But wasn’t only last season his only injury prone season?
I think there was even a season he played 82 games? Maybe last season was just an exception |
In the last 7 years he has averaged 53 games a season; It's not a one season thing.
(24, 63, 60, 58, 67, 77, 25)
Personally, I would not be rolling the dice on his health. |
I didn't realize this..53 games yikes..I agree than move on |
2018 - got traded there while hurt for Jimmy after knee surgery for an acl repair and they knew he would miss most the year but the Jimmy run had gotten so toxic the bulls dealt anyway for an injured Lavine
2019 - they tanked at the end for a pick
2020 - Bulls didn’t get bubble invites so they played 65 games total and he only missed 5 games
2021 - condensed year and caught covid which sidelined him from the wolves who had so much covid problems the league made a hardship exemption and 2 way rules up to improve the body count for the wolves and opponents .. they played 72 games that year
2022 - Played 67 games and the play in
2023 - He played almost all year missing 5 games
2024 - he got hurt and kept playing on it to he couldn’t anymore
Let’s not act like Lavine missed a lot of time. He’s played more games before last year than Booker, KD, George, or Kawhi. He’s logged more minutes the last few year than Embid, Ja, Jaren Jackson, Zion, Ingram and so on. He’s been available before last year
From 2019 to 2023 Lavine appeared in 84.8% of all the possible games he can play, was a starter, was an all star, was top in minutes played in the league, and got buckets … 24 he was hurt but from the point he got traded for Jimmy after knee surgery, he’s been readily available |
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The LaVine+1st thing would have made sense if LeBron took that paycut. We would have been able to take back a lot more salary than we traded out.
Something like
LaVine+1st for Rui/Gabe/Cam would have worked while opening up needed roster spots and would have had enough room under 2nd apron to use most of MLE on a need guy like Jonas/Drummond or a wing like Marshall/Jones Jr.
Would have been a deep team.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | The LaVine+1st thing would have made sense if LeBron took that paycut. We would have been able to take back a lot more salary than we traded out.
Something like
LaVine+1st for Rui/Gabe/Cam would have worked while opening up needed roster spots and would have had enough room under 2nd apron to use most of MLE on a need guy like Jonas/Drummond or a wing like Marshall/Jones Jr.
Would have been a deep team. |
Yep, there were many paths for Rob to improve and he just fell asleep at the wheel like at the trade deadline. Referencing the potential deal above, it looks like JHS with Rui/Vincent/Cam would have needed to be included to take back ~$125% to get LaVine, then use MLE on Valanciunas with LBJ’s discount.
Dlo/AR
LaVine
LBJ/MaxChris
AD/Wood
Valan
Hayes/Vando?!?/Knecht/MaxLew/Bronny
Still no POA defender in the backcourt, add Tyus Jones with roster spot?
Futile to think about since that ship has sailed, could be useful to contemplate to prevent future mistakes but with Rob it seems futile still. As it is now, I’d be interested in LaVine for Rui/AR/Vincent/MaxLew to keep 3pt% and volume with playmaking in Dlo, then squeeze a FRP from the Bulls since AR included but Laker fans would revolt so just pass.
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| The LeBron pay cut will live on as urban ledged, but it was about as real as big foot. That's not a dig. The Lakers are in the business of making money and LeBron is good for business. He wants to own a team. Need to stack paper for that to happen. |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | The LeBron pay cut will live on as urban ledged, but it was about as real as big foot. That's not a dig. The Lakers are in the business of making money and LeBron is good for business. He wants to own a team. Need to stack paper for that to happen. |
You may or may not be right…none of us know for sure…either way Rob should have called his bluff since Valanciunas was one of the players listed as an option for the discount and was the only piece that would actually fill an existing hole in the current roster.
Myth or not, falk Rob for wasting time on DeRozan/Klay instead of going after a big C in Val then getting nothing.
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | The LeBron pay cut will live on as urban ledged, but it was about as real as big foot. That's not a dig. The Lakers are in the business of making money and LeBron is good for business. He wants to own a team. Need to stack paper for that to happen. |
He literally took a paycut to keep the team under the apron. He would've taken a bigger one to land another impact player but we couldn't even clear a roster spot. There's nothing mythical about it-- it was contingent on Pelinka actually deciding to utilize it and executing. He wasn't able to. |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | lar9149 wrote: | | deal wrote: | | lar9149 wrote: | I agree
LaVine seems like a definite upgrade I see the argument about injury..
But wasn’t only last season his only injury prone season?
I think there was even a season he played 82 games? Maybe last season was just an exception |
In the last 7 years he has averaged 53 games a season; It's not a one season thing.
(24, 63, 60, 58, 67, 77, 25)
Personally, I would not be rolling the dice on his health. |
I didn't realize this..53 games yikes..I agree than move on |
2018 - got traded there while hurt for Jimmy after knee surgery for an acl repair and they knew he would miss most the year but the Jimmy run had gotten so toxic the bulls dealt anyway for an injured Lavine
2019 - they tanked at the end for a pick
2020 - Bulls didn’t get bubble invites so they played 65 games total and he only missed 5 games
2021 - condensed year and caught covid which sidelined him from the wolves who had so much covid problems the league made a hardship exemption and 2 way rules up to improve the body count for the wolves and opponents .. they played 72 games that year
2022 - Played 67 games and the play in
2023 - He played almost all year missing 5 games
2024 - he got hurt and kept playing on it to he couldn’t anymore
Let’s not act like Lavine missed a lot of time. He’s played more games before last year than Booker, KD, George, or Kawhi. He’s logged more minutes the last few year than Embid, Ja, Jaren Jackson, Zion, Ingram and so on. He’s been available before last year
From 2019 to 2023 Lavine appeared in 84.8% of all the possible games he can play, was a starter, was an all star, was top in minutes played in the league, and got buckets … 24 he was hurt but from the point he got traded for Jimmy after knee surgery, he’s been readily available |
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The following article gives a fair representation of Lavine's injury history, over his career.
https://pippenainteasy.com/posts/zach-lavine-injury-history-career-chicago-bulls
I don't believe anyone is doubting Lavine's talent. In the years he's been relatively healthy, he's been All Star caliber. The problem is, out of his 10 year career, he's only had 3 years where he played 70+ games. I'll even throw in the "good" seasons, where he played 67 and 63 games.
Other than that, he's had 4 seasons where he played 60 games, or less (not counting the COVID season). To punctuate that point, Lavine is just coming back this season, after only playing 25 games the previous season...because of injury.
So, in essence, the Lakers would have to be comfortable tying up the majority of their players salary, in three players, two of whom have notable career injury issues, and the other guy is 40, while near retirement...
The Bulls...or anyone else for that matter...not wanting Lavine on that contract should say something to people.
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | The LaVine+1st thing would have made sense if LeBron took that paycut. We would have been able to take back a lot more salary than we traded out.
Something like
LaVine+1st for Rui/Gabe/Cam would have worked while opening up needed roster spots and would have had enough room under 2nd apron to use most of MLE on a need guy like Jonas/Drummond or a wing like Marshall/Jones Jr.
Would have been a deep team. |
Yep, there were many paths for Rob to improve and he just fell asleep at the wheel like at the trade deadline. Referencing the potential deal above, it looks like JHS with Rui/Vincent/Cam would have needed to be included to take back ~$125% to get LaVine, then use MLE on Valanciunas with LBJ’s discount.
Dlo/AR
LaVine
LBJ/MaxChris
AD/Wood
Valan
Hayes/Vando?!?/Knecht/MaxLew/Bronny
Still no POA defender in the backcourt, add Tyus Jones with roster spot?
Futile to think about since that ship has sailed, could be useful to contemplate to prevent future mistakes but with Rob it seems futile still. As it is now, I’d be interested in LaVine for Rui/AR/Vincent/MaxLew to keep 3pt% and volume with playmaking in Dlo, then squeeze a FRP from the Bulls since AR included but Laker fans would revolt so just pass. |
Yup. The team would still have weakness in particular on perimeter defense and some redundancy in the back court with 3 offensive 1st players. Probably why I would have went with defenders (Jones Jr, Marshall, with the MLE and Plumlee at the VM. We would need Vando to play a huge role with that team. Which with his health would have been an issue. But see again, Jones Jr, Marshall...Covington, Delon Wright. Glue guys.
Regardless we would have had more future assets (1st from CHI) and a much talented team as is. Win win
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | The LaVine+1st thing would have made sense if LeBron took that paycut. We would have been able to take back a lot more salary than we traded out.
Something like
LaVine+1st for Rui/Gabe/Cam would have worked while opening up needed roster spots and would have had enough room under 2nd apron to use most of MLE on a need guy like Jonas/Drummond or a wing like Marshall/Jones Jr.
Would have been a deep team. |
Yep, there were many paths for Rob to improve and he just fell asleep at the wheel like at the trade deadline. Referencing the potential deal above, it looks like JHS with Rui/Vincent/Cam would have needed to be included to take back ~$125% to get LaVine, then use MLE on Valanciunas with LBJ’s discount.
Dlo/AR
LaVine
LBJ/MaxChris
AD/Wood
Valan
Hayes/Vando?!?/Knecht/MaxLew/Bronny
Still no POA defender in the backcourt, add Tyus Jones with roster spot?
Futile to think about since that ship has sailed, could be useful to contemplate to prevent future mistakes but with Rob it seems futile still. As it is now, I’d be interested in LaVine for Rui/AR/Vincent/MaxLew to keep 3pt% and volume with playmaking in Dlo, then squeeze a FRP from the Bulls since AR included but Laker fans would revolt so just pass. |
Yup. The team would still have weakness in particular on perimeter defense and some redundancy in the back court with 3 offensive 1st players. Probably why I would have went with defenders (Jones Jr, Marshall, with the MLE and Plumlee at the VM. We would need Vando to play a huge role with that team. Which with his health would have been an issue. But see again, Jones Jr, Marshall...Covington, Delon Wright. Glue guys.
Regardless we would have had more future assets (1st from CHI) and a much talented team as is. Win win |
The Lakers could still to Rui, JHS, Vando, and Gabe for Lavine and a pick
It’s still viable and doable especially in a world where Max, Wood, and Cam all contribute … if you got 67 games of healthy lavine in the season and the. The postseason
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