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Laker7
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 Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:55 am Post subject: Officials with most and least incorrect / non calls in the NBA in the last two minutes |
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https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-referees-mistakes/
Officials with the least incorrect / non calls:
Che Florez 2.46%
Brandon Schwab 2.70%
Jason Goldberg 2.79%
Ashley Moyer-Gleich 2.93%
Jenna Schroeder 2.95%
Officials with the most incorrect / non calls:
Gary Zelinski 5.05%
Derreck Stafford 4.91%
Dan Crawford 4.71%
Ron Garretson 4.58%
Leroy Richardson 4.46%
Officials with the least incorrect / non calls against the Lakers:
Ashely Moyer-Gleich 0.0%
Evan Scott 0.0%
Danielle Scott 0.0%
John Conley 0.0%
Ron Garretson 0.0%
Officials with the most incorrect / non calls against the Lakers:
Brandon Schwab 13.79%
Brent Barsky 5.95%
Ben Taylor 5.22%
Scott Foster 4.90%
Eric Lewis 4.73%
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| Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:05 am Post subject: |
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NBA refs are the most incompetent and corrupt officials in all of sports.
Period.
The fact they continue to affect outcomes is an absolute farce and a disgrace.
I blame Stern for this.
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Runway8
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It's amazing to me why there are still "incorrect" calls in 2024. We have enough cameras, enough eyes, enough technology to have some sort of umpire system. When a call is incorrect, headquarters can automatically overturn a call. No need to wait for challenges. The challenge system is also lacking to me because it only allows you to challenge calls that were made. What about calls that should have been made? You should be able to challenge a non-call, a call that SHOULD HAVE been made.
We have the tech to get things more right than ever in the history of the game, but I guess the people upstairs are purists? |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Runway8 wrote: | It's amazing to me why there are still "incorrect" calls in 2024. We have enough cameras, enough eyes, enough technology to have some sort of umpire system. When a call is incorrect, headquarters can automatically overturn a call. No need to wait for challenges. The challenge system is also lacking to me because it only allows you to challenge calls that were made. What about calls that should have been made? You should be able to challenge a non-call, a call that SHOULD HAVE been made.
We have the tech to get things more right than ever in the history of the game, but I guess the people upstairs are purists? |
Personally I’m not in favor of 4-5 hour games. Why are there still missed calls? Because humans make mistakes. Having an offsite ref second guessing every play would be a good way to kill the business.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2024 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | It's amazing to me why there are still "incorrect" calls in 2024. We have enough cameras, enough eyes, enough technology to have some sort of umpire system. When a call is incorrect, headquarters can automatically overturn a call. No need to wait for challenges. The challenge system is also lacking to me because it only allows you to challenge calls that were made. What about calls that should have been made? You should be able to challenge a non-call, a call that SHOULD HAVE been made.
We have the tech to get things more right than ever in the history of the game, but I guess the people upstairs are purists? |
Personally I’m not in favor of 4-5 hour games. Why are there still missed calls? Because humans make mistakes. Having an offsite ref second guessing every play would be a good way to kill the business. |
agree.there can literally be a foul called on every play. we benefitted. IIRC we were near the top of FT opportunities.
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SuperboyReformed
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| these values are very low anyway. |
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lakez34
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | these values are very low anyway. |
Branson Schwab's percentage isn't that low Rest I agree, refs gonna make mistakes, make the process to correct critical ones easier, faster and know that everyone has to live with the rest. |
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eff these numbers! Refs are terrible!
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jonnybravo
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| Runway8 wrote: | It's amazing to me why there are still "incorrect" calls in 2024. We have enough cameras, enough eyes, enough technology to have some sort of umpire system. When a call is incorrect, headquarters can automatically overturn a call. No need to wait for challenges. The challenge system is also lacking to me because it only allows you to challenge calls that were made. What about calls that should have been made? You should be able to challenge a non-call, a call that SHOULD HAVE been made.
We have the tech to get things more right than ever in the history of the game, but I guess the people upstairs are purists? |
Too many calls are way too subjective in basketball for it to be perfect. On a good amount of calls, you can make an argument one way or the other. This isn't baseball where a robo-ump makes sense. Ball or strike? Safe or out? Foul or fair? None of those are subjective. It either is or it isn't.
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LakersRGolden
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| Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| lakez34 wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | these values are very low anyway. |
Branson Schwab's percentage isn't that low Rest I agree, refs gonna make mistakes, make the process to correct critical ones easier, faster and know that everyone has to live with the rest. |
Depends on what is considered a correct call/non-call.
Player didn't travel. Contact was inconsequential. Shot was a 3 pointer. Ball was out of bounds off of the only guy there. Illegal screen. 24-second violation. Player mugged - nocall. This is still only a 14% error rate. I wouldn't call it amazing reff'ing. |
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cathy78
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| lakez34 wrote: |
Branson Schwab's percentage isn't that low Rest I agree, refs gonna make mistakes, make the process to correct critical ones easier, faster and know that everyone has to live with the rest. |
Yepp, those hour long reviews could be faster and don't need to be done buy turning a monitor around at the sidelines that isn't even made to be turned around.
There obviously should be data analysis to find cheating and bias. It would be interesting how many calls there could be made every game to get a perspective how much 5% wrong actually is in terms of game outcome. |
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