FWIW, this is the exact opposite of letting someone have the last word.
You have this habit of fixating on really narrow positions and just belaboring points on really scarce evidence. I recognize that because I also have that habit. But this one is especially strange because it's hard to even understand why you're arguing that someone is lying about something easily verifiable if you just ask DLo, just because you want this one little morsel in a press conference to emphasize how much Redick sucks (as a person?) before he's even coached a single game for this team.
He’s getting the last word in our discussion. If he responds to me I’ll let it stand without commenting back. But I made no such promise to you so I’ll address this point. I have only belabored the point because of how absurdly defensive many of you have been about a pretty benign observation that I don’t think he’s being honest about his intentions. Your interpretation of my motives is also wildly off base. I don’t think Redick sucks and I don’t have it out for him. I thought it was pretty well agreed upon that DLo isn’t long for this world and that coaches and GMs lie and exaggerate at press conferences. If you think no lies were told that’s a fine (if naive) position.
There's nothing naive about taking people at their word, especially when they have no reasonable incentive to say something otherwise. The objective of the press conference is spin -- it's not a criminal interrogation. Did JJ overcompensate by saying he's talking to DLo the most out of anyone? Maybe? Is DLo not being brought up before evidence of that? Again, logically, not at all. You're doing some weird transference of Pelinka's personality onto JJ. It's not a benign observation, it's a claim that you're making with pretty scant evidence. That's the only callout here.
Nobody has “evidence” of it except for JJ. I’d be more apt to take him at his word if the sentiment he expressed the other day matched his other interviews rather than being the opposite where he has opted to talk about virtually all other key players except for him. It kinda stands out if you keep omitting the third best player on the team when discussing your plans and taking about what you’re excited about. It is benign because it’s something all coaches do to some extent. You’ve got to be pretty defensive about JJ to take it like it’s some crazy insult.
While we're speculating, it's probably because he doesn't view DLo as the third best player on this team, and he's more excited to coach the others, which is why he brings up the others. I talk to a (bleep) coworker all the time according to my Slack stats, but it's not like I value them higher over the others. We mostly talk a lot due to disagreeing.
Also, the media isn't really bringing up DLo either. Zach Lowe didn't even bring up DLo. Is Lakers PR just preventing everyone from asking about DLo, or does no one actually find him a remarkable topic to discuss? Dude's flamed out in the exact same way his past N playoff appearances. He's a known quantity in ways that Austin and Rui are not.
Here's the evidence for what Redick is saying is true: he's starting DLo. It's a truism to say he's going to play a big role as their starting point guard. It's pretty obvious why they'd want him to have a career year, whether he's traded or not (they're all adults there, DLo is aware of his situation and wants more money). It's you who took a tiny thing and made a mountain out of a molehill, and now you're accusing people of having some kind of disproportionate response to it.
FWIW, this is the exact opposite of letting someone have the last word.
You have this habit of fixating on really narrow positions and just belaboring points on really scarce evidence. I recognize that because I also have that habit. But this one is especially strange because it's hard to even understand why you're arguing that someone is lying about something easily verifiable if you just ask DLo, just because you want this one little morsel in a press conference to emphasize how much Redick sucks (as a person?) before he's even coached a single game for this team.
He’s getting the last word in our discussion. If he responds to me I’ll let it stand without commenting back. But I made no such promise to you so I’ll address this point. I have only belabored the point because of how absurdly defensive many of you have been about a pretty benign observation that I don’t think he’s being honest about his intentions. Your interpretation of my motives is also wildly off base. I don’t think Redick sucks and I don’t have it out for him. I thought it was pretty well agreed upon that DLo isn’t long for this world and that coaches and GMs lie and exaggerate at press conferences. If you think no lies were told that’s a fine (if naive) position.
There's nothing naive about taking people at their word, especially when they have no reasonable incentive to say something otherwise. The objective of the press conference is spin -- it's not a criminal interrogation. Did JJ overcompensate by saying he's talking to DLo the most out of anyone? Maybe? Is DLo not being brought up before evidence of that? Again, logically, not at all. You're doing some weird transference of Pelinka's personality onto JJ. It's not a benign observation, it's a claim that you're making with pretty scant evidence. That's the only callout here.
Nobody has “evidence” of it except for JJ. I’d be more apt to take him at his word if the sentiment he expressed the other day matched his other interviews rather than being the opposite where he has opted to talk about virtually all other key players except for him. It kinda stands out if you keep omitting the third best player on the team when discussing your plans and taking about what you’re excited about. It is benign because it’s something all coaches do to some extent. You’ve got to be pretty defensive about JJ to take it like it’s some crazy insult.
While we're speculating, it's probably because he doesn't view DLo as the third best player on this team, and he's more excited to coach the others, which is why he brings up the others. I talk to a (bleep) coworker all the time according to my Slack stats, but it's not like I value them higher over the others. We mostly talk a lot due to disagreeing.
Also, the media isn't really bringing up DLo either. Zach Lowe didn't even bring up DLo. Is Lakers PR just preventing everyone from asking about DLo, or does no one actually find him a remarkable topic to discuss? Dude's flamed out in the exact same way his past N playoff appearances. He's a known quantity in ways that Austin and Rui are not.
If he doesn’t view him as our third best player or fourth best at worst then I question his judgment. DLo was a huge factor in the best stretch we had last year. He’s had plenty to say about someone like Max Christie who is far from 3rd or 4th best on the team. I don’t think Austin and Rui are any less known than DLo. They’ve all been in the league for a number of years and been through multiple playoff runs. DLo flamed out in the playoffs for sure but let’s not let Rui off the hook in that regard.
Anyway, I just read Eric Pincus’ latest piece for B/R and he made up the same observation I made up out of thin air. Like a parallel dream.
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About two-thirds of the way through the media session, Pelinka or Redick hadn't mentioned D'Angelo Russell. Others, like Bronny James, LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Rui Hachimura, Austin Reaves and Max Christie, were discussed, but Russell was a semi-glaring omission.
Would that suggest he's the most likely piece to be offered in trade? Perhaps, but when asked, Redick spoke highly of the veteran guard and their communication this summer.
At face value, Redick seems to value Russell—but the omission to that point felt notable.
From a financial point of view, a high-dollar player would need to go for the Lakers to make a significant trade. Russell is the team's third-highest player behind James and Davis.
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If you think JJ believes he’s going into the playoffs with DLo and if you think DLo also believes that you have no authority to talk to anyone about delusion.
I believe that if JJ hadn't talked to D'lo like you assume, he wouldn't come out and make a fantastic lie about talking to him more than anyone else on the team. If you want to move goalposts or create strawmen to save face from the ridiculous claim you made with no evidence, that's entirely up to you.
I never said they never talked. I’ll leave it at this and let you have the last word but as you get more into adulthood you’ll probably develop a BS detector rather than just blindly believe everything people say, particularly when they’re incentivized to lie. The writing has been on the wall for DLo for a while now. I’ll put it this way. The last season Westbrook was here he was in a similar position. An expiring contract that everyone, including Westbrook, knew was going to be moved. Ham took the opposite tact that JJ did. Rather than pretend he doesn’t exist, he constantly talked him up as a huge and important part of the team. While I think this is the better and classier approach, I didn’t believe him either because I’m not 6. You might find my claim ridiculous, but it’s not nearly as ridiculous as thinking that he was talking to DLo more than anyone else and has huge plans for him while simultaneously never mentioning his name across an entire summer of interviews.
Yeah why would JJ, the new HC and former 3pt specialist, talk to their starting point guard who also happens to be the best shooter in Laker history. Must be lying cuz random fan on the internet said so!
Makes sense. He was probably talking about him all summer.
The most likely scenario is that they knew it was likely that they would be going into the season with DLO as the starting PG and JJ already has a relationship and is friends with DLO so it's also very likely they had a lot of communication. DLO was even on JJ's podcast for God's sake lmao.
DLO has had both AR and AD on his own podcast, he's been seen at events with Lakers players. He's very well liked on the team and since he's been here everyone has talked about how much of a leader and good teammate he is.
You've got whatever narrative that you want to be true very badly so you're pushing it no matter what. You got a guy who JJ would obviously want to coach given the 5 out, movement based, offense he wants to run. A guy who he's had on his podcast and is already friends with before this, telling you he's had a lot of communication with over the summer and you're just like "GROWN UPS LIE THIS CANNOT BE TRUE" like an insane person lol
Ok I have definitely underestimated how sensitive you guys are about JJ. If you don’t think it’s at all weird that he has acted like our third best player doesn’t exist all summer, and that player is also almost certain to be traded, then I give up. These aren’t difficult connections to make unless you’re intentionally trying to miss them.
Maybe while he was being shopped he didn't want to talk about the plans we have for him if he doesn't get traded?
You're projecting with the "these aren't difficult connections to make unless you're intentionally trying to miss them", you're literally trying to find connects that don't exist to fit the conclusion you want.
You think it's more likely that our new coach would have no communication with our starting point guard, who's already his friend, who is the type of player who would thrive in a type of system that he wants to implement. How you could possibly think that's the most likely scenario is beyond me, oh wait it's because he didn't hold a press conference about dlo
You think it's more likely that our new coach would have no communication with our starting point guard
Again, I never said “no communication” but I understand it’s easier to engage with that than what I’m actually saying.
Says the guy who has no responded to a single point I've made about their past relationship.
So you admit there was probably communication just not the most communication? Lol, if that's the case who fkn cares?
JJ "dlo is probably the guy I've had the most communication with this summer"
you "NAH UH IT WASN'T THE MOST I BET HE TEXTED LEBRON WAYYY MORE!!!"
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You’re hung up on the frequency of communication far more than I ever was. I was making a larger overall point, but you’re missing that (seemingly on purpose) to try and have a gotcha moment on semantics. I said from the beginning I’m sure he’s spoken to everyone. But omitting a very important player on the team in every interview is notable (which is why I’m far from the only person to note it) despite his rhetoric that he only offers when asked specifically after months of radio silence on the subject. Given the universal understanding that he’s going to be traded, it makes sense. But the rhetoric the other day doesn’t match his behavior the whole summer including that press conference until he was forced to address it. If you think he’s thrilled to coach a temporary player he never mentions you have the right to that opinion. _________________ 14-5-3-12
Russell broke the cardinal rule in any Beaurocracy, which is not to make the people in power look bad. He trashed Pelinka and the Org last season, and from that there is no return.
JJ was kind of an *** as a player too, and in a strange way I could see him connecting with Russell. But ultimately it's not about Dlo's importance to the team, or his contract being an important trade piece. Pelinka isn't going to keep a person around who can make him look bad.
Some of ya'll really in your feelings that the Coach that wants the team shooting more threes, playing the pick snd roll, coming off pin downs, and movement three point shooting .. spent most of the off-season talking to the player that's the best on the team at all those things. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
I’m excited to see Dlo in reddicks offense. I’m a big believer that he’s been used wrong his whole career. When he came out of college I never imagined being such a Ball dominant player. Cant wait to see him moving off ball more and not just spotting up.
Also, this team is due for some luck when it comes to home grown talent. If 1-2 of our young guys proves come out and prove to be ready we can be looking at this team completely different.
I kinda think it’s a good thing we didn’t over react and make a trade this summer. Let’s give this team to show us what they got when healthy. If Vando is truly back by the start of the season we have something to be excited about.
I think our young core is underrated. I have a feeling JHS, Knecht, Max, and Castelton are all ready to compete. _________________ “like I never left”
Oh and traore. I think his game translates. He’s NBA ready. Traore/casteton will be competing for backup 4 minutes this season until Vando/wood come back. _________________ “like I never left”
Some of ya'll really in your feelings that the Coach that wants the team shooting more threes, playing the pick snd roll, coming off pin downs, and movement three point shooting .. spent most of the off-season talking to the player that's the best on the team at all those things.
Also, if you listen to the the type of offense reddick wants to run it’s not hard to picture castleton thriving in it with his skillset. He’s a fantastic passer/screener. His jump shot looked ok in Summer league from the few he shot. He looks comfortable hitting it. I believe he can make an Austin type leap this season if given the opportunity. That’s all Austin really needed was a shot and he took it and ran with it. _________________ “like I never left”
Also, if you listen to the the type of offense reddick wants to run it’s not hard to picture castleton thriving in it with his skillset. He’s a fantastic passer/screener. His jump shot looked ok in Summer league from the few he shot. He looks comfortable hitting it. I believe he can make an Austin type leap this season if given the opportunity. That’s all Austin really needed was a shot and he took it and ran with it.
Castleton has sucked ass so far. He's just not an NBA body.
Also, if you listen to the the type of offense reddick wants to run it’s not hard to picture castleton thriving in it with his skillset. He’s a fantastic passer/screener. His jump shot looked ok in Summer league from the few he shot. He looks comfortable hitting it. I believe he can make an Austin type leap this season if given the opportunity. That’s all Austin really needed was a shot and he took it and ran with it.
Castleton has sucked ass so far. He's just not an NBA body.
Castleton is 6’10” so some balls will end up in his hands but he’s an under the rim player. I can see him competing against the athletic players in the NBA. And don’t mention Jovic, because that guy in a walking MVP candidate.
I hope I’m wrong, but I do think we will need a real solution at center. You can’t keep ignoring that AD does not to play that position. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
Oh and traore. I think his game translates. He’s NBA ready. Traore/casteton will be competing for backup 4 minutes this season until Vando/wood come back.
Traeré is a 3/4 player, but why not force into a 5? Let make
him as ineffective as possible. Physical player but he’s not a 5.
Castleton is a below the rim player that, IMO, will get
abused by NBA’rs. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
Oh and traore. I think his game translates. He’s NBA ready. Traore/casteton will be competing for backup 4 minutes this season until Vando/wood come back.
Traeré is a 3/4 player, but why not force into a 5? Let make
him as ineffective as possible. Physical player but he’s not a 5.
Castleton is a below the rim player that, IMO, will get
abused by NBA’rs.
Who said anything about making him a 5? I view them both as 4’s. One a 4/5 and the other a 3/4. Wood is a 4/5 and he’s out, Vando is a 3/4 and he’s out. I don’t see the issue with stating they could be competing for minutes at the 4.
I swear this place has become a cesspool for negativity. Pretty sure everything I’ve posted in the last couple months has been met with this type of response. I remember when this place was one of the better places online to talk lakers basketball and be a fanboy.
Now it’s just filled with negative posters who think they know it all and attack anyone with an opinion that’s different lol 😂.
As a matter of fact anything positive about this team is shot down immediately! _________________ “like I never left”
Is it me or Rui looks lean, embracing that wing duties, thumbs up _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
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