|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
pio2u
Retired Number
Joined: 26 Dec 2012
Posts: 55070
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
MJST
Retired Number
Joined: 06 Jul 2014
Posts: 27679
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
A Mad Chinaman
Star Player
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
Posts: 6311
|
 Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
| defense wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | defense wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | I'd like to see Rui as the 3rd or at worst 4th option in the starting lineup. Think the best way to do that is to bring Austin off the bench for Max. Rui is more athletic and explosive than both D'lo/Austin and he really feasts on the openings that Bron and AD create. He could do damage if he was getting closer to 15 shots but he definitely needs to improve his defense and glass work. |
I disagree. I think he excelled last season as a fifth option feasting off of the shots Bron, AD, DLO, and even AR generated. His role was very streamlined: attack closeouts, shoot spot up threes, cut to the basket, and shoot the occasional midrange jumper. Increasing his volume means less spot ups/cuts and more self creation via postups, drives, and mid range pull-ups. I think Austin and DLO can generate more efficient offense. |
To me, there is no clear cut third option (scoring wise) between Austin/DLO/Rui. On any given night/game any player can give you those 20 points (or even more, give or take).
What I've found is the issue with the AD/Bron/Rui/Austin/DLO lineup.
1) Defensively, it's not potent. Rui is not naturally a good wing/perimeter defender. Same for Austin. There's definitely not anyone you can put on an opposing team's attacking PG defensively.
2) May be a case at times of 1-2 guys getting lost without the ball. It's often the case when you have so many good scorers all of whom need the ball. Bron/AD/Austin/DLO all need the ball to be effective. Rui is also most effective when he can get some post ups and mid-range plays for him. Perhaps a better balanced lineup would be an elite defensive perimeter player + 4 out of AD/Bron/Rui/DLO with Austin playing the 6th man role. |
Hopefully one key factor of the J.J. tenure is his offensive and defensive schemes, along with having few injuries during the course of this season.
We have Rui be effective then disappear. Is it because Rui was afraid of The Moment, lack of confidence in Ham's schemes and/or AD/LBJ's lack of trust in Rui coming through.
IMHO
Having Christie in key roles, as oppose to Prince, is an instant upgrade of energy and production.
With Vando (along with Vincent and CWood) being injured, highlighted Prince's deficiencies on both sides of the ball.
With DLo's many defensive deficiencies/inabilities, if he is not hitting shots - why is he on the court. Maybe an ideal role would be to have him in a "Vinnie Johnson" role that he had with the Pistons where his main priority is to shoot without any major pressure of defending. Given that he would be playing against the opposing team's bench/2nd team players, one would assume that he would thrive
With Vincent injured, Ham was forced to play DLo - even when he was producing defensively.
If the ball is popping, opportunities far numerous players to be a viable third option depending on the matchups. Hence CWood to AR to DLo to Christie to Rui to their #1 draft choice will have outstanding performances at selected games.
AD & LBJ are always a mismatch in favor for the Lakers hence all the above-listed players should have clean open airspace to wide open shots. If we have multiple players that can go off with the proper matchup, we should be ok - like the Nuggets (Jokic/Murray) and others |
I wouldn't blame that on Ham. That is the kind of player Rui is. |
There is never just one factor
Last season, Rui was injured in thebeginning of the season, along with other times, that presented issues
Ham, along with his inexperienced staff, had penalized the roster by his ill-matched and inconsistent rotations
One would hope that Rui's uncertainity was a strategic factor on why he was too passive/not aggressive hence not trusted in critical situations (i.e. playoffs) by LBJ & AD.
Hopefully Rui's Olympic performance have proven to him and others that he can be a viable offensive option while not preventing him to continue to work on his game before training camp starts.
For those that mistakenly believe that Grant would be a better option (considering what it would take to get him in a trade, Grant's salary and his stats), why would the Lakers want Grant's bad contract - especially at the end of his contract |
Rui is better for the lakers than Grant, but Rui is an up and down player who seems to lack motivation. Long before he was a Laker. |
When you're the 4th of 5th option (after LBJ, AD, DLo, AR, etc.), it takes maturity, drive, focus, belief, determination and an insane motor to maintain an aggressiveness. Hey, when AD gets ignored during clutch time - what should Rui do.
Hopefully the answer is that Rui believes that he is an invaluable piece to the puzzle if he he maintains his aggressivenemess. We will see how he progresses during trainoing camp |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pio2u
Retired Number
Joined: 26 Dec 2012
Posts: 55070
|
| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 4:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
| MJST wrote: |
They were robbed vs France |
Pretty much….. I’m interested in knowing the extent of his injury and for any progress reports.
This should be Rui’s time to take his game to another level. I’m expecting big things from him this season. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ContagiousInspiration
Franchise Player
Joined: 07 May 2014
Posts: 14372
Location: Boulder ;)
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
| any update on this guy.. was announced today he is currently one of the starting 5 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
venturalakersfan
Retired Number
Joined: 14 Apr 2001
Posts: 145050
Location: The Gold Coast
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 9:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
I had hoped that Rui would grow a heart this offseason but he’s the same heartless guy. Maybe Wizard rejects aren’t the way to build a team.
_________________
RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
MJST
Retired Number
Joined: 06 Jul 2014
Posts: 27679
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 9:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
Christie and Knecht are coming for his minutes if he keeps up his "No, I don't think I will." non-committal(especially on switches) defensive ideology.
_________________
How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Brawn13
Star Player
Joined: 30 Jan 2019
Posts: 4087
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
| venturalakersfan wrote: | | I had hoped that Rui would grow a heart this offseason but he’s the same heartless guy. Maybe Wizard rejects aren’t the way to build a team. |
I kept saying there’s a reason he was available for 2nd round picks. Not saying he’s trash but people expect too much out of Pelinka. We’re not getting Pau Gasol kind of deals.
Any worthwhile player we can get in a trade will cost AD, Lebron, or Reaves. If one of those 3 aren’t involved…chances are the player coming back here is a lateral move, or slight improvement at best. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Halflife
Franchise Player
Joined: 15 Aug 2015
Posts: 18502
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:12 am Post subject: |
|
|
| venturalakersfan wrote: | | I had hoped that Rui would grow a heart this offseason but he’s the same heartless guy. Maybe Wizard rejects aren’t the way to build a team. |
he will play well next game and it will be him turning the corner.
_________________
Kobe.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Clw9scopegx/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
J.C. Smith
Franchise Player
Joined: 23 Jun 2005
Posts: 12744
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
| When he's feeling good about himself, he can ride the wave. But he lacks the fire. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Zillethai
Star Player
Joined: 22 Dec 2017
Posts: 1332
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 2:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| he has the tendency to check out for a stretch of games... almost like he would rather be doing something else. At least AR puts forth consistent effort night in and out |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sonic the laker
Star Player
Joined: 06 Oct 2013
Posts: 2143
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Making sweeping assertions off a preseason game is a bit presumptuous. Especially considering he was playing out of position for big stretches of the game.
_________________
ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Halflife
Franchise Player
Joined: 15 Aug 2015
Posts: 18502
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| sonic the laker wrote: | | Making sweeping assertions off a preseason game is a bit presumptuous. Especially considering he was playing out of position for big stretches of the game. |
it's more than just that. the pattern is who he is. Obviously, when ad is out there things look better, but the facts are he disappears, frequently plays without any urgency, and was ultimately a giveaway from the wiz.
_________________
Kobe.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Clw9scopegx/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
J.C. Smith
Franchise Player
Joined: 23 Jun 2005
Posts: 12744
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:34 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| sonic the laker wrote: | | Making sweeping assertions off a preseason game is a bit presumptuous. Especially considering he was playing out of position for big stretches of the game. |
It would be if there wasn't a 5 year history of the same thing.
Rui has lots of strengths, he's a good shooter, explosive at times, and he has the bulk to hold his position against larger guys. But that just makes it all the more infuriating that he often is invisible on the court.
When Rui is on, and being aggressive, he's a good player. I want to see that night in and night out. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
MJST
Retired Number
Joined: 06 Jul 2014
Posts: 27679
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Rui Hachimura is like an Andrew Wiggins without the defense or the hype.
But even Wiggins was able to put together a few seasons where he was confident in his defense before it disappeared again. Rui has yet to give that.
_________________
How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sonic the laker
Star Player
Joined: 06 Oct 2013
Posts: 2143
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Halflife wrote: | | sonic the laker wrote: | | Making sweeping assertions off a preseason game is a bit presumptuous. Especially considering he was playing out of position for big stretches of the game. |
it's more than just that. the pattern is who he is. Obviously, when ad is out there things look better, but the facts are he disappears, frequently plays without any urgency, and was ultimately a giveaway from the wiz. |
Is Rui the most demonstrative player? The most talkative? No. Is he some sort of galvanizer, who can rally a team with sheer charisma? Also, no. Rui, for the most part, is a low-key guy. But, he's also steady/dependable in what he brings to the court, in the areas he excels at. And, there's nothing wrong with that. He wasn't brought here to be a leader for the team. That's on LeBron, and AD. To a lesser extent, AR and DLo, as well. Heck, I'd even throw in Christie, when he gets a bit more seasoned.
I'm more than satisfied with the player Rui is. The only things that I would like to see from him, are what I'm sure Reddick has already most likely brought up to him. More effort/awareness on defense and rebounding. Other than that, Rui is good, imo.
Plus, I'm not going to hold his Wizard years against him. Rumors/reports were that he had some personal issues going on, at the time. Along with him just being in a bad environment. He's obviously happy in LA, with the Lakers, and it shows.
_________________
ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sonic the laker
Star Player
Joined: 06 Oct 2013
Posts: 2143
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| J.C. Smith wrote: | | sonic the laker wrote: | | Making sweeping assertions off a preseason game is a bit presumptuous. Especially considering he was playing out of position for big stretches of the game. |
It would be if there wasn't a 5 year history of the same thing.
Rui has lots of strengths, he's a good shooter, explosive at times, and he has the bulk to hold his position against larger guys. But that just makes it all the more infuriating that he often is invisible on the court.
When Rui is on, and being aggressive, he's a good player. I want to see that night in and night out. |
I'm honestly not sure how realistic of an expectation this really is. In the preseason, maybe. If the Lakers chose to make Rui the center of their offense, when LeBron and AD are out. But, that's clearly not the case, with Reddick attempting to institute a more ball/player movement offense, which means the ball won't stick in one players hands, overly much.
And, during the regular season? When LeBron and AD will definitely be playing, and will be the main thrust of the offense, along with AR and DLo... Rui is the 5th opition on offense, at worst. That will rise a bit, if AD/LeBron are out for any reason. Not really conducive to putting up big numbers on the regular.
_________________
ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LakersRGolden
Star Player
Joined: 13 Jan 2002
Posts: 8086
Location: Lake Forest
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2024 8:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| sonic the laker wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | sonic the laker wrote: | | Making sweeping assertions off a preseason game is a bit presumptuous. Especially considering he was playing out of position for big stretches of the game. |
It would be if there wasn't a 5 year history of the same thing.
Rui has lots of strengths, he's a good shooter, explosive at times, and he has the bulk to hold his position against larger guys. But that just makes it all the more infuriating that he often is invisible on the court.
When Rui is on, and being aggressive, he's a good player. I want to see that night in and night out. |
I'm honestly not sure how realistic of an expectation this really is. In the preseason, maybe. If the Lakers chose to make Rui the center of their offense, when LeBron and AD are out. But, that's clearly not the case, with Reddick attempting to institute a more ball/player movement offense, which means the ball won't stick in one players hands, overly much.
And, during the regular season? When LeBron and AD will definitely be playing, and will be the main thrust of the offense, along with AR and DLo... Rui is the 5th opition on offense, at worst. That will rise a bit, if AD/LeBron are out for any reason. Not really conducive to putting up big numbers on the regular. |
We'll see once the systems are actually installed. The designated corner players were frozen out a lot of the game last night because the system wasn't generating any threats outside of AR and Dlo drives.
I wasn't wow'd with Rui, but I wasn't concerned about how much he wanted to mix it up as one of 2 rotation players suitable for the 3 thru 5 positions in the first preseason game. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
venturalakersfan
Retired Number
Joined: 14 Apr 2001
Posts: 145050
Location: The Gold Coast
|
| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 8:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
| sonic the laker wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | sonic the laker wrote: | | Making sweeping assertions off a preseason game is a bit presumptuous. Especially considering he was playing out of position for big stretches of the game. |
It would be if there wasn't a 5 year history of the same thing.
Rui has lots of strengths, he's a good shooter, explosive at times, and he has the bulk to hold his position against larger guys. But that just makes it all the more infuriating that he often is invisible on the court.
When Rui is on, and being aggressive, he's a good player. I want to see that night in and night out. |
I'm honestly not sure how realistic of an expectation this really is. In the preseason, maybe. If the Lakers chose to make Rui the center of their offense, when LeBron and AD are out. But, that's clearly not the case, with Reddick attempting to institute a more ball/player movement offense, which means the ball won't stick in one players hands, overly much.
And, during the regular season? When LeBron and AD will definitely be playing, and will be the main thrust of the offense, along with AR and DLo... Rui is the 5th opition on offense, at worst. That will rise a bit, if AD/LeBron are out for any reason. Not really conducive to putting up big numbers on the regular. |
So Lebron and AD being the main focus of the offense makes it ok for Rui to be lazy on defense and on the boards? Those things should never be related. Ruiz’s job is to show up ready to defend and rebound and to score when he gets the opportunity. I don’t expect that 100% but that effort needs to be there 95% of the time. And we haven’t seen that. He has no physical limitations so it is all mental and something he can control.
_________________
RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Halflife
Franchise Player
Joined: 15 Aug 2015
Posts: 18502
|
| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 9:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
even after one useless, game that doesnt matter at all, the narrative is the same about the guy. Of course, he will have a big game and a group of posters will say 'see. EAT CROW' and then disappear when he goes through a trash set of games.
I like rui but you can see why the wiz gave him away. Unfortunately for us, we need
reddish
hayes
Dlo
wood
Rui
Vandy
to play to their ceilings which they rarely ever do. Our roster has a group of guys that not a single other team in the league wants.
_________________
Kobe.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Clw9scopegx/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
dcarter4kobe
Franchise Player
Joined: 30 Jul 2005
Posts: 18166
|
| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
We need that Aaron Gordon type in Rui's place for this line up to really be a contender.
Jermai Grant would be a major upgrade but his defense has fallen off a cliff as he has gotten the bigger workload on offense he has always wanted.
_________________
"He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tox
Franchise Player
Joined: 16 Nov 2015
Posts: 18995
|
| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Aaron Gordon clogs up the Nuggets' offense and that's with Jokic being a better 3 point shooter and offensive hub than AD. The Lakers definitely could use an Aaron Gordon type but they also need someone who can shoot. That player is an all star |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
levon
Franchise Player
Joined: 11 Oct 2016
Posts: 11681
|
| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
| tox wrote: | | Aaron Gordon clogs up the Nuggets' offense and that's with Jokic being a better 3 point shooter and offensive hub than AD. The Lakers definitely could use an Aaron Gordon type but they also need someone who can shoot. That player is an all star |
And also doesn't exist. I don't see such a player in the league, so I think we should move on to realistic options, which may not include spacing. I think so many of our problems would be solved with a backup big with motor and discipline. We're letting perfect be the enemy of good. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tox
Franchise Player
Joined: 16 Nov 2015
Posts: 18995
|
| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:30 am Post subject: |
|
|
| levon wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Aaron Gordon clogs up the Nuggets' offense and that's with Jokic being a better 3 point shooter and offensive hub than AD. The Lakers definitely could use an Aaron Gordon type but they also need someone who can shoot. That player is an all star |
And also doesn't exist. I don't see such a player in the league, so I think we should move on to realistic options, which may not include spacing. I think so many of our problems would be solved with a backup big with motor and discipline. We're letting perfect be the enemy of good. |
I guess my take is that Vando is probably that guy when healthy, our problem is having that player next to AD and still work offensively. It's why WCJ is my dream trade target |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
levon
Franchise Player
Joined: 11 Oct 2016
Posts: 11681
|
| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| tox wrote: | | levon wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Aaron Gordon clogs up the Nuggets' offense and that's with Jokic being a better 3 point shooter and offensive hub than AD. The Lakers definitely could use an Aaron Gordon type but they also need someone who can shoot. That player is an all star |
And also doesn't exist. I don't see such a player in the league, so I think we should move on to realistic options, which may not include spacing. I think so many of our problems would be solved with a backup big with motor and discipline. We're letting perfect be the enemy of good. |
I guess my take is that Vando is probably that guy when healthy, our problem is having that player next to AD and still work offensively. It's why WCJ is my dream trade target |
I have far less concerns on offense, especially with what I've seen from Redick. I really believe they can make even poor spacing lineups work well enough from an offensive perspective in ways that prior regimes could not. But not having a "big ball" look puts a hard cap on this team's ceiling in any high-level basketball scenario. I was so excited to see a Jax - AD lineup. You can do 5 out even if AD and Big X can't space to a good enough level, but the defense and rebounding on the other end could be so good that it breaks teams.
Also, I'm not afraid to move LeBron to the 3. I'd rather have him close out a little short once in a while than miss a backline rotation or have to waste legs battling for boards. His shooting is more than good enough for a 3 these days. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
