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| Day wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | Japago wrote: | I don't trust DLo to have trade value at this point. All the evidence seems to point that way, when the Lakers have been trying to trade him and him opting into 1 year, $18 million coming off of a career year.
This is why I talk about trading AR a lot. And at this point, I bet DLo's next contract won't be much more than AR's.
He's a good regular season player. The Lakers shouldn't get rid of him for the scraps they'll probably have to settle for.
I honestly don't see AR as much more valuable than DLo, while he potentially has significantly more trade value. DLo's regular season was better than anything AR has done so far. AR didn't light the world on fire during the post season.
I don't love either of them, but AR might actually fetch the Lakers something. |
Better to let DLO play it out and walk for nothing than to move AR, unless it brings back a game changing player. |
Yeah, I just disagree with how some fans value him. This isn't the place for an AR argument, but I think he's nowhere near that valuable.
AR wouldn't be much more valuable that DLo if it weren't for his contract, if he even is at all.
Regular Season DLo > Regular Season AR >>> Postseason AR >>>>> Postseason DLo
Regular season DLo is the best basketball either of them plays. And with the fact that neither of them enough to be the main supporting cast on a title contender, I'm not even sure AR's better postseason play is more valuable than DLo's regular season play.
AR wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire during the postseason either. He was awful shooting from 3 and was an absolute no show for one of the games himself.
If the cap/salary matching stuff permits, I don't think the Lakers are losing out on much by trading AR instead of DLo. The Lakers need big changes, and if AR can fetch those and DLo can't, I don't see the reason to hold back on it. |
read this a lot here. reality is a PG/SG with Dlos stats should be highly coveted.No one wants him. his value is determined by market. he has had zero the last 2 years - without making AR available we don't know his value but for this team, since his name hasn't been thrown out there = reg season/post season AR > Any season DLO. Best to take emotions out of it. |
This is sort of dishonest, there hasn't been a trade available for DLO that makes us better which isn't the same as there is no interest at all and you even said what the reason is you just didn't realize it. DLO is probably the most overperforming player at his contract value in the league. For us to move him, and for us to improve, it would have to be a package deal but no team wants anything else other than AR so the package would have to be AR+DLO which we aren't willing to do unless it's for an insane return. |
He was making 30m. Lakers said go find your market. there wasn't one so he took 18 - he had the option to find a longer deal this past offseason- The rumor was more years for less money with Orlando but again.no market. with his numbers/position/age, his free agency should have been strong.
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| RI Laker wrote: | I am glad DLO opted in because we would have been screwed. Lets be realistic about his value. There were numerous articles about teams saying they were not interested in him. I am sure DLO had promises of huge deals if he opted out. He is very loyal to the Lakers.  |
Two summers now he's failed to get anything above 18m a year, and he only got the 18m because his incumbent team couldn't afford to lose him, but yeah he's some kind of amazingly undervalued player.
I said it last season that he's in the MLE market now, and evidently that was exactly what he was looking at this summer. |
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| levon wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | Japago wrote: | I don't trust DLo to have trade value at this point. All the evidence seems to point that way, when the Lakers have been trying to trade him and him opting into 1 year, $18 million coming off of a career year.
This is why I talk about trading AR a lot. And at this point, I bet DLo's next contract won't be much more than AR's.
He's a good regular season player. The Lakers shouldn't get rid of him for the scraps they'll probably have to settle for.
I honestly don't see AR as much more valuable than DLo, while he potentially has significantly more trade value. DLo's regular season was better than anything AR has done so far. AR didn't light the world on fire during the post season.
I don't love either of them, but AR might actually fetch the Lakers something. |
Better to let DLO play it out and walk for nothing than to move AR, unless it brings back a game changing player. |
Yeah, I just disagree with how some fans value him. This isn't the place for an AR argument, but I think he's nowhere near that valuable.
AR wouldn't be much more valuable that DLo if it weren't for his contract, if he even is at all.
Regular Season DLo > Regular Season AR >>> Postseason AR >>>>> Postseason DLo
Regular season DLo is the best basketball either of them plays. And with the fact that neither of them enough to be the main supporting cast on a title contender, I'm not even sure AR's better postseason play is more valuable than DLo's regular season play.
AR wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire during the postseason either. He was awful shooting from 3 and was an absolute no show for one of the games himself.
If the cap/salary matching stuff permits, I don't think the Lakers are losing out on much by trading AR instead of DLo. The Lakers need big changes, and if AR can fetch those and DLo can't, I don't see the reason to hold back on it. |
Austin is capable of playing solid defense. The multi-year RAPM bears that out. He sucked to start last season, but he's not a bad defender. DLo is a bad defender, and the numbers bear that out, despite him being in the league 4-5 years more than Austin. I'm of the mind that DLo is now a full MLE-level player for a non-contender. I believe Austin is a 4th best player on a title team guy. That's night and day to me.
One of them can actually get to the line and to the rim and play not-horrible defense, which means only one of them has actual playoff viability. In this increasingly austere NBA, if you don't have unwavering tentpole skills that you can lean on when your longball abandons you, you're not worth more than the MLE.
And one more thing with Austin: his teammates love him. The only player who seems to love DLo on this team is Austin. |
It's disingenuous to mention multi-year AR stats when he's only gotten minutes for 1 and 1/2 years. And, he was horrid for a large chunk of last season, his first full season playing big minutes.
He was getting picked apart to the point where opposing teams were match-up hunting for him. The trend started all the way during the FIBA Philippines games, and it's been a consistent thing since then. Even with that mess of a team, it was really noticeable how much he was getting picked on. I watched a lot of those games.
Googling it, he had the 2nd worst defensive EPM up to some point in January.
I feel like his lack of lateral quickness is always going to be a problem for him. Same thing with DLo.
AR's ability to get the the rim is nice, but I don't think it's special or anything. It's less effective when he doesn't get calls.
DLo is a better shooter, has more explosive scoring games, and is a better play-maker, so I think he's the better overall offensive weapon. |
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| levon wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | I am glad DLO opted in because we would have been screwed. Lets be realistic about his value. There were numerous articles about teams saying they were not interested in him. I am sure DLO had promises of huge deals if he opted out. He is very loyal to the Lakers. |
Two summers now he's failed to get anything above 18m a year, and he only got the 18m because his incumbent team couldn't afford to lose him, but yeah he's some kind of amazingly undervalued player.
I said it last season that he's in the MLE market now, and evidently that was exactly what he was looking at this summer. |
Interesting that you said that.. almost all the teams who had major cap space this summer already a good PG on there roster, there was no urgency for those teams to get DLo, Spurs were the only possible destination but they settled for Chris Paul because they wanted a voice in the locker room and someone who can help settle things down, DLo wasn’t the idle guy for that. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | levon wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | I am glad DLO opted in because we would have been screwed. Lets be realistic about his value. There were numerous articles about teams saying they were not interested in him. I am sure DLO had promises of huge deals if he opted out. He is very loyal to the Lakers. |
Two summers now he's failed to get anything above 18m a year, and he only got the 18m because his incumbent team couldn't afford to lose him, but yeah he's some kind of amazingly undervalued player.
I said it last season that he's in the MLE market now, and evidently that was exactly what he was looking at this summer. |
Interesting that you said that.. almost all the teams who had major cap space this summer already a good PG on there roster, there was no urgency for those teams to get DLo, Spurs were the only possible destination but they settled for Chris Paul because they wanted a voice in the locker room and someone who can help settle things down, DLo wasn’t the idle guy for that. |
I didn’t anticipate the Spurs being interested in Dlo, it was the Magic that I predicted would go after him. Orlando had poor playmakers at PG and poor 3pt shooting there too with excellent team defense. It seems like the perfect fit because Dlo’s assists and 3pt shooting would fit exactly what they were missing and they would be able to cover for his subpar defense with an overall good defensive team.
For some reason, like the Lakers, the Magic didn’t fix the major prob they still have that was an obstacle for competing at the next level. Dlo may or may not be worth $18m to 28 other teams but to the Lakers and the Magic he certainly is.
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | levon wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | I am glad DLO opted in because we would have been screwed. Lets be realistic about his value. There were numerous articles about teams saying they were not interested in him. I am sure DLO had promises of huge deals if he opted out. He is very loyal to the Lakers. |
Two summers now he's failed to get anything above 18m a year, and he only got the 18m because his incumbent team couldn't afford to lose him, but yeah he's some kind of amazingly undervalued player.
I said it last season that he's in the MLE market now, and evidently that was exactly what he was looking at this summer. |
Interesting that you said that.. almost all the teams who had major cap space this summer already a good PG on there roster, there was no urgency for those teams to get DLo, Spurs were the only possible destination but they settled for Chris Paul because they wanted a voice in the locker room and someone who can help settle things down, DLo wasn’t the idle guy for that. |
I didn’t anticipate the Spurs being interested in Dlo, it was the Magic that I predicted would go after him. Orlando had poor playmakers at PG and poor 3pt shooting there too with excellent team defense. It seems like the perfect fit because Dlo’s assists and 3pt shooting would fit exactly what they were missing and they would be able to cover for his subpar defense with an overall good defensive team.
For some reason, like the Lakers, the Magic didn’t fix the major prob they still have that was an obstacle for competing at the next level. Dlo may or may not be worth $18m to 28 other teams but to the Lakers and the Magic he certainly is. |
Magic were certainly the team that made sense, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that DLO doesn’t have value.. again.. just because we were stuck with him over the summer doesn’t mean some teams during the season don’t start having interest in him |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | levon wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | I am glad DLO opted in because we would have been screwed. Lets be realistic about his value. There were numerous articles about teams saying they were not interested in him. I am sure DLO had promises of huge deals if he opted out. He is very loyal to the Lakers. |
Two summers now he's failed to get anything above 18m a year, and he only got the 18m because his incumbent team couldn't afford to lose him, but yeah he's some kind of amazingly undervalued player.
I said it last season that he's in the MLE market now, and evidently that was exactly what he was looking at this summer. |
Interesting that you said that.. almost all the teams who had major cap space this summer already a good PG on there roster, there was no urgency for those teams to get DLo, Spurs were the only possible destination but they settled for Chris Paul because they wanted a voice in the locker room and someone who can help settle things down, DLo wasn’t the idle guy for that. |
I didn’t anticipate the Spurs being interested in Dlo, it was the Magic that I predicted would go after him. Orlando had poor playmakers at PG and poor 3pt shooting there too with excellent team defense. It seems like the perfect fit because Dlo’s assists and 3pt shooting would fit exactly what they were missing and they would be able to cover for his subpar defense with an overall good defensive team.
For some reason, like the Lakers, the Magic didn’t fix the major prob they still have that was an obstacle for competing at the next level. Dlo may or may not be worth $18m to 28 other teams but to the Lakers and the Magic he certainly is. |
Magic were certainly the team that made sense, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that DLO doesn’t have value.. again.. just because we were stuck with him over the summer doesn’t mean some teams during the season don’t start having interest in him |
his value is an expiring 18m. that's pretty good for a team that wants to UNload someone with longer years.
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D'lo acknowledging his lack of accountability at media day is a good start. But then again he usually says the right things at this time of year.
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| manlisten wrote: | | D'lo acknowledging his lack of accountability at media day is a good start. But then again he usually says the right things at this time of year. |
this is literally team "no accountability" - this is not his issue.
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I really wish we could get off this rollercoaster.
I'm tired of seeing him ball out in the regular season, and then faceplant in the playoffs.
But, just like last year. I'll be rooting for him. I hope this is the year his playoff play matches his regular season. He does that, and he's jumped up to, above average starting PG.
He's wearing P&G. He has my support like everyone else on the roster. I hope it happens!
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I think DLo has a lot of talent on the O side of the ball. He needs
to concentrated during the entire game without getting distracted.
His flaws are not related to his shot or ability; they are mental
breakdowns. It'd be great if he could get it together and not be an
eternal mental midget.
game time is closing in...
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| kikanga wrote: | I really wish we could get off this rollercoaster.
I'm tired of seeing him ball out in the regular season, and then faceplant in the playoffs.
But, just like last year. I'll be rooting for him. I hope this is the year his playoff play matches his regular season. He does that, and he's jumped up to, above average starting PG.
He's wearing P&G. He has my support like everyone else on the roster. I hope it happens! |
He's one of the most consistent 40% three point shooter we've had in a long time. 40% with volume, no fluke shooting. I don't think it's a rollercoaster at all. I think he's had some bad series on a team with zero margin for error. Better team, better coaching, you get through these dry spells, then you have an opportunity to make up for it the next rd. You don't get that chance with Hands in Pocket.
He was terrific up in the WCF in 23. Then first rd. last year, so what are we talking about? The Nuggets. They have the tools to bother him. It happens to the best of them, even to Kobe Bryant who shot horrible against he Pistons in the 04 finals. I think there has been a lot of short sightedness in Laker nation. You want to give him up, but for who? Does it really improve your team. Also something to ponder about... is D'Angelo that good? That his shooting makes or breaks your championship hopes? Or is the big 3 in AD/Bron/AR just not dominant enough? Seems to me a lot rides on D'Angelo on a team that supposedly has a big 3. Well, if some will argue that AR wasn't last year, he's definitely expected to step into that roll this year. With JJ as coach, and D'Angelo as your 4th... I'm still excited about this team. But it really boils down to Lebron staying Lebron. |
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Rondo was so bad in the regular season that many fans wanted to get rid of him. In the playoffs, he shot 40% from three while playing like the best passer in the game. I think that was one of the key contributing factors that led to our 2020 championship.
If DLo was just able to replicate his regular season performance in the playoffs, we might have won another ring or two. Coulda woulda shoulda. I don't know how DLo would overcome his mentally weak mind in the playoffs. Maybe go see Dr. Phil or something.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | Rondo was so bad in the regular season that many fans wanted to get rid of him. In the playoffs, he shot 40% from three while playing like the best passer in the game. I think that was one of the key contributing factors that led to our 2020 championship.
If DLo was just able to replicate his regular season performance in the playoffs, we might have won another ring or two. Coulda woulda shoulda. I don't know how DLo would overcome his mentally weak mind in the playoffs. Maybe go see Dr. Phil or something. |
A good shrink could actually help. He's beyond talented for the 3....
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| Runway8 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | I really wish we could get off this rollercoaster.
I'm tired of seeing him ball out in the regular season, and then faceplant in the playoffs.
But, just like last year. I'll be rooting for him. I hope this is the year his playoff play matches his regular season. He does that, and he's jumped up to, above average starting PG.
He's wearing P&G. He has my support like everyone else on the roster. I hope it happens! |
He's one of the most consistent 40% three point shooter we've had in a long time. 40% with volume, no fluke shooting. I don't think it's a rollercoaster at all. I think he's had some bad series on a team with zero margin for error. Better team, better coaching, you get through these dry spells, then you have an opportunity to make up for it the next rd. You don't get that chance with Hands in Pocket.
He was terrific up in the WCF in 23. Then first rd. last year, so what are we talking about? The Nuggets. They have the tools to bother him. It happens to the best of them, even to Kobe Bryant who shot horrible against he Pistons in the 04 finals. I think there has been a lot of short sightedness in Laker nation. You want to give him up, but for who? Does it really improve your team. Also something to ponder about... is D'Angelo that good? That his shooting makes or breaks your championship hopes? Or is the big 3 in AD/Bron/AR just not dominant enough? Seems to me a lot rides on D'Angelo on a team that supposedly has a big 3. Well, if some will argue that AR wasn't last year, he's definitely expected to step into that roll this year. With JJ as coach, and D'Angelo as your 4th... I'm still excited about this team. But it really boils down to Lebron staying Lebron. |
Why do you make me do this. This has to be the 100th time.
9 regular seasons: 571 games played, 43/37/79 shooting splits
4 playoff appearances: 32 games played, 39/32/77 shooting splits
Its not "dry spells". Those are his averages in totality. Whether its DLO, Cam Reddish, or anybody else. If you can't even shoot 40% from the floor you shouldn't be playing. Whether shooting is your best attribute or not.
It's not pockets fault. His best playoffs were under pockets.
Nobody considers us a big 3. it's a big 2. Everyone else is a role player. Reaves needs to play better. Like he did the 2023 playoffs. I don't think you realize it. But you're making an argument for Reaves to have a higher usage than DLO (currently he doesn't).
Bron isn't Luka-level dominant. AD isn't Greek Freak-level dominant. But they are 2 players who closed games for our stacked Olympic team. Its common sense. Its easier and more-realistic to upgrade a role player on an expiring contract than either of those 2. But sure, theoretically, you could stack the rest of the roster well enough to win a chip with the way DLO plays in the playoffs. I just don't think our current team can. We need him to match his regular season play to stand a chance.
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In this thread, I've seen mentions of Kobe Bryant, Steph Curry, and other all time greats in posts defending DLO.
And even though nobody has had the guts/delusion to directly compare DLO to any of them. Just hinting at it, is nails on a chalkboard.
If I miss some shots I normally make while playing ball with my buddies. I don't bring up Kobe's shooting struggles in an NBA finals game to justify it. Well I guess I could, if I was joking.
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JustAnObserver needs to be unbanned from this thread.
On topic: I expect DLO will shoot 40% from 3 again due to being in a better system.
A Ham lead team is not comeptetive.
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Can JJ use him like Steph? Let him have the ball, Bron the Klay, AD the Draymond. I mean maximize this kid
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| manlisten wrote: | | D'lo acknowledging his lack of accountability at media day is a good start. But then again he usually says the right things at this time of year. |
It is a good start. He really is an immature guy. Hopefully he has figured out that his act is getting old. If he puts his mind to it, he (and the Lakers) will benefit. |
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His production on the court (atleast during RS) justifies 24M+ IMO.
Elite shooter (the guy just set a record for Lakers 3 pointers)
Above average play maker
Size at G position
Numbers say one of the better finishers
But there's a big disconnect between his play on the court and how he is perceived off it. He is to blame for about 80% of that.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | His production on the court (atleast during RS) justifies 24M+ IMO.
Elite shooter (the guy just set a record for Lakers 3 pointers)
Above average play maker
Size at G position
Numbers say one of the better finishers
But there's a big disconnect between his play off the court and how he is perceived off it. He is to blame for about 80% of that. |
He takes too many bad shots when he's "feeling it," commits too many turnovers (often at the worst possible times), and is beyond terrible defensively.
He can be a great shooter and crafty finisher, but winning basketball requires more. I've always liked Dlo personally.. although some times in his interviews he likes to profess how "smart" he is, which is a little strange, but the reason he's bounced around the league a little bit is because he has not in any way really improved some of the glaring weaknesses in his game.
He's saying all the right things now but the proof will be in the results. We'll see if he becomes a better team defender and makes smarter decisions with the ball because the team needs it from him for them to have any sort of success.. unless and until they trade his contract for a player who will. |
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| Reds622 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | His production on the court (atleast during RS) justifies 24M+ IMO.
Elite shooter (the guy just set a record for Lakers 3 pointers)
Above average play maker
Size at G position
Numbers say one of the better finishers
But there's a big disconnect between his play off the court and how he is perceived off it. He is to blame for about 80% of that. |
He takes too many bad shots when he's "feeling it," commits too many turnovers (often at the worst possible times), and is beyond terrible defensively.
He can be a great shooter and crafty finisher, but winning basketball requires more. I've always liked Dlo personally.. although some times in his interviews he likes to profess how "smart" he is, which is a little strange, but the reason he's bounced around the league a little bit is because he has not in any way really improved some of the glaring weaknesses in his game.
He's saying all the right things now but the proof will be in the results. We'll see if he becomes a better team defender and makes smarter decisions with the ball because the team needs it from him for them to have any sort of success.. unless and until they trade his contract for a player who will. |
Look at the bolded part from the post above, you’re guilty of that false perception with your take based on the numbers. It’s a conundrum really, difficult to understand why the reality…based on the numbers…is so different than so many fan’s opinions. Sure, stats don’t tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it and shouldn’t be ignored.
The numbers show that Dlo not only doesn’t have a bad amount of turnover problem but actually performs good in that role of taking care of the ball, especially compared to the number of assists (6.4apg/2.1topg). The stats also show Dlo has a good shooting percentage.
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Reds622 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | His production on the court (atleast during RS) justifies 24M+ IMO.
Elite shooter (the guy just set a record for Lakers 3 pointers)
Above average play maker
Size at G position
Numbers say one of the better finishers
But there's a big disconnect between his play off the court and how he is perceived off it. He is to blame for about 80% of that. |
He takes too many bad shots when he's "feeling it," commits too many turnovers (often at the worst possible times), and is beyond terrible defensively.
He can be a great shooter and crafty finisher, but winning basketball requires more. I've always liked Dlo personally.. although some times in his interviews he likes to profess how "smart" he is, which is a little strange, but the reason he's bounced around the league a little bit is because he has not in any way really improved some of the glaring weaknesses in his game.
He's saying all the right things now but the proof will be in the results. We'll see if he becomes a better team defender and makes smarter decisions with the ball because the team needs it from him for them to have any sort of success.. unless and until they trade his contract for a player who will. |
Look at the bolded part from the post above, you’re guilty of that false perception with your take based on the numbers. It’s a conundrum really, difficult to understand why the reality…based on the numbers…is so different than so many fan’s opinions. Sure, stats don’t tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it and shouldn’t be ignored.
The numbers show that Dlo not only doesn’t have a bad amount of turnover problem but actually performs good in that role of taking care of the ball, especially compared to the number of assists (6.4apg/2.1topg). The stats also show Dlo has a good shooting percentage. |
4.6 ast / 1.8 to 42/31/77 splits (vs Denver 3.5 asts / 1.5 to 31/13/75 splits)
4.2 ast / 1.8 to 38/32/50 splits
Dlo is always going to be maligned for the fact his scoring drops. He can’t , shoot in the playoffs. And his assist rate drop so his assist to turnover ratio is different.
And teams do not like him. On a level as a person. Minny wanted him gone. His first run with the lakers they wanted him gone. The warriors wanted him gone after half a year. He can have a good run and he can lost half his salary. He set a record and he had no offers on the market because he’s not liked as a person or valued as a player who a team can count on to win.
Pelinka is in a great spot really. Dlo can put up 18 and 6 on 50/40/90 splits next year and he’s still likely going to need to eat a salary reduction |
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| kikanga wrote: | In this thread, I've seen mentions of Kobe Bryant, Steph Curry, and other all time greats in posts defending DLO.
And even though nobody has had the guts/delusion to directly compare DLO to any of them. Just hinting at it, is nails on a chalkboard.
If I miss some shots I normally make while playing ball with my buddies. I don't bring up Kobe's shooting struggles in an NBA finals game to justify it. Well I guess I could, if I was joking. |
Why not? The point is it happens to the best of them. It can sure as hell happen to D'Lo. Regarding shooting splits, you may have a point. But I was thinking in terms of his time with us. It's been 2 yrs of career efficiency from 3. Prime years in the NBA are around 28 to 32. He's in the sweet spot right now. I don't expect those career splits to continue. All it takes is a few good showings. I still have high hopes for him this year. I mean as much as you harp about his post season performance, do you even get their without his regular season shooting? Regardless of how you define big 2, big 3.. .you say we only have a big 2, okay.. that's fine. He's still a 4th option. LOL! A pretty damn good one. Be careful what you wish for. Of all teams, fans of Lakers should know about trading people away prematurely. We are constantly crying about inconsistent three point shooters. We have one, a 4th option deadly sniper, and some of you are just jonesing to get rid of him. D'Lo isn't the reason we haven't won a chip. Just as he wasn't the reason in 2021, and 2022 since he wasn't here. He's just the current scapegoat, and when he's gone, there will be a new scapegoat. Our big 2 just ain't big enough if we're being honest with ourselves. I think AD can continue his prime defense, but Lebron truthfully is just not the same. Trade away everyone if you want, but it may just boil down to our Batman not being good enough anymore. |
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