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Theseus Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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can't answer the question about january 6 without throwing a random dig in on Kamala. Then moving on to sidestepping the question and saying Trump left office peacefully, lol. Then attacking Kamala again instead of answering the question.
Just wild how he can answer questions this way.
Also calling Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr as lifelong democratic leaders in the democratic party is laugh out loud funny. |
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Theseus Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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He can't answer if Trump lost the election or not, haha. Come on now. |
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lakeshow03 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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“You have a clear choice, who’s going to honor America, and who is going to honor Donald Trump” |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Vance is a better lying debater than Trump, less crazy, way more calm but man, still lying about the same things
Tim won tonight _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“ |
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ChefLinda Moderator
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Vance is very practiced liar. |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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A decent debate, far better not having Trump involved. Still, the Kamala/Walz team continues to fail on inflation and explaining it's origins, and Vance kept digging in and chewing him up on it. Allowing Vance to continue to say Kamala wants to censor speech was also a missed opportunity.
I'm guessing that the polling on this will be somewhere in the 55/45 range, one way or the other. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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NMLaker Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Decent debate? Lies does not a decent debate make. |
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numero-ocho Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | Vance is a better lying debater than Trump, less crazy, way more calm but man, still lying about the same things
Tim won tonight |
I know I'm biased but I agree while acknowledging Vance likely improved his image. I don't know if he accurately translated Trump's gibberish because only Trump knows what he's actually trying to say. I do believe whatever headway Vance may have made for Trump tonight will be quickly undone by Ol' Donny the next time he gets in front of a mic.
It was nice to watch a political debate where both candidates behaved like adults and spoke in coherent sentences. It was quite a throwback. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant |
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Theseus Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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It is clear that Vance was brought onto the campaign for his ability. And that ability is lying |
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Vance lied his ass off but he had a stronger presence. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be
because we destroyed ourselves. |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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NMLaker wrote: | Decent debate? Lies does not a decent debate make. |
In a debate, one must challenge the lies. If they are allowed to sit without challenge, the lies can become the truth to the unknowing. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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numero-ocho Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Walz teaching background really helped him tonight. At times I felt like I was sitting in a classroom listening to a teacher giving a lesson about something they were very passionate about. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant |
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Vance on Fox News trying to blame Iran's actions on Biden and Harris.
I've been very critical of our White House on Gaza and our unconditional support of Israel.
Meanwhile Vance is saying if Harris came out strongly for genocide, this Iran attack wouldn't be happening.
Now he's blaming them for climate change.
These stupid arguments only work on people, who were always gonna vote for Trump anyways. _________________ When the world grows. Grow with it.
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trmiv Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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I bet Trump will want to do the 2nd debate now because he won’t be able to stand that people think Vance did better than him. |
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ChefLinda Moderator
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: | NMLaker wrote: | Decent debate? Lies does not a decent debate make. |
In a debate, one must challenge the lies. If they are allowed to sit without challenge, the lies can become the truth to the unknowing. |
Debates depend on honest brokers on both sides. When one side spews a fire hose of lies (JD just does it in a more polished way than Trump) it is impossible for the other side to combat every lie. Their entire 2 minutes would be taken up with fact checking the 10 lies Vance told in his 2 minutes.
So they have to pick and choose their spots. I think the strategy was for Walz to stay in nice guy format, not attack dog format.
So the zinger at the end on who won the election and JD's allegiance being to Trump rather than the office stood out.
But yeah, I personally prefer attack dog Walz. |
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Tark the Shark Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: | NMLaker wrote: | Decent debate? Lies does not a decent debate make. |
In a debate, one must challenge the lies. If they are allowed to sit without challenge, the lies can become the truth to the unknowing. |
This is true. My daughter in her middle school debate team learned that if you allow an opponent to make a claim and you fail to challenge or refute the claim, the judge may accept that as a truth because you failed to challenge it. |
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I don’t know if anyone is still watching the MSNBC wrap up, but that college kid from MI named Marcus was AWESOME! _________________ HARRIS WALZ 2024 |
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Shapiro would have SMOKED vance in the debate, but I think the Walz choice was "do no harm", and seem authentic, which he did in spades. _________________ Creatures crawl in search of blood, To terrorize y'alls neighborhood. |
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anth2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Vance was a lot better than Walz.
Law degree from Yale versus masters from Minnesota state university.
Vance was polished, Walz stumbled.
Walz was good on Jan. 6.
Shapiro or Mark Kelly would have done better.
Just venting…. |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Of seven undecided voters on CNN, one, the whitest male (by a visual that is), was the only one to say he made up his mind by the debate. He's going for Kamala. I only mention that it was a he, and a white he, as this what she needs. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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CNN poll: Vance 51, Walz 49 with a 5 point Democrat advantage--over the national voters registry. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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anth2000 wrote: | Vance was a lot better than Walz.
Law degree from Yale versus masters from Minnesota state university.
Vance was polished, Walz stumbled.
Walz was good on Jan. 6.
Shapiro or Mark Kelly would have done better.
Just venting…. |
Idk.
Anyone who says
“The rules were you weren’t going to fact check” is a pretty big L and in a court of law would have been a nail in the proverbial coffin _________________ Kobe.
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anth2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Halflife wrote: | anth2000 wrote: | Vance was a lot better than Walz.
Law degree from Yale versus masters from Minnesota state university.
Vance was polished, Walz stumbled.
Walz was good on Jan. 6.
Shapiro or Mark Kelly would have done better.
Just venting…. |
Idk.
Anyone who says
“The rules were you weren’t going to fact check” is a pretty big L and in a court of law would have been a nail in the proverbial coffin |
True.
Walz is just a good speaker. Wasn’t as prepped as I hoped. |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Halflife wrote: | anth2000 wrote: | Vance was a lot better than Walz.
Law degree from Yale versus masters from Minnesota state university.
Vance was polished, Walz stumbled.
Walz was good on Jan. 6.
Shapiro or Mark Kelly would have done better.
Just venting…. |
Idk.
Anyone who says
“The rules were you weren’t going to fact check” is a pretty big L and in a court of law would have been a nail in the proverbial coffin |
Throw in the absolute refusal to acknowledge that Trump lost in 2020 (and double down by saying you believe “there were a lot of problems with the results”) while also avoiding the direct question about accepting the results of this election and you have a person who has proven themself to be unfit for office. _________________ HARRIS WALZ 2024 |
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ChefLinda Moderator
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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I think the whole thing was a wash. Vance's job was to seem normal and not scary and Walz' job was to do no harm.
That said:
Quote: | Matt McDermott @mattmfm
NBC News just polled their focus group of 6 undecided voters in Pennsylvania who won the VP debate.
5 of 6 said Tim Walz won the debate. |
(Looks like 2 middle aged white men, 1 older woman, 1 youngish woman, and 1 young black dude)
link |
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